VRT charge on Privately registered and taxed van??

seblex

Hi all,

Wll be looking to go for the camper certificate and re-registering soon. When I bought my van new I paid full price (e.g paid the VAT), registered it as private and have been taxing it as private. Logbook states Private also.

Does anyone know if there is still VRT due in this case when converting to a campervan?

Thanks in advance.

Moomat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058249917/vrt-charge-on-privately-registered-and-taxed-van

What's the "VRT Category" on log book?

WM18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058249917/vrt-charge-on-privately-registered-and-taxed-van

hi having having recently done mine, if its commercial now and changing to camper you will be charged VRT at 13.5%

of their valuation.... brace yourself

mikehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058249917/vrt-charge-on-privately-registered-and-taxed-van

Excellent question, when you do get the answer I would be grateful if you post it here as its on my to do list for the winter. Best of luck with the conversion.As your Vrt is based on the Customs valuation would it be wise to do a two stage conversion, stick in your cooking , water and sleeping basics and get it Vrt'd then afterwards go to town on the comforts.

seblex

Thanks for the responses all.

@Moomat

VRT catagory is C

Motor taxation class is Private

@WM18

The 13.5% is scaring me to be honest. I also have a funny feeling that because i paid the full VAT on the vehicle when buying it that I will be charged more VRT as the price paid for the vehicle was higher. Isnt VRT added after VAT?

@mikehn

2 stage valuation I think is the way to go. I think I'll be putting in whats needed just to get it passed then revisiting the rest when the VRT bill is paid.

This brings another question - Once i get the van certified and get the engineers report. Does the VRT bill need to be paid straight away? Can i get a VRT price then pay it at a later date. Basically if they come back with a crazy figure and I simply dont have it can I wait until I do have it?

Moomat

As it's category C, you need to decalre it to Revenue. You will have paid €200 on registration as a van so this will be deducted from any VRT you have to pay

seblex

I think im looking at a bill of around 5-6k on this. - 200 :)

Painful

colm_mcm

Do the bare basic revenue requirements first,

bed

cooking

storage

table

seating

the revenue requirements are so basic. They will value it accordingly.

register it as camper, then do your proper conversion, nice trimmings, rock&roll bed, insulation, pop top etc.

seblex

Thanks @colm_mcm Thats the plan alright. The pop top, electrics and all the nice stuff will be after the VRT.

On your list of requirements above you have Seating and bed. Can i just build a bed in the back with wood, along side a kitchen?

Point im making is I dont want to put a rock and roll bed in until its passed. So is a homemade bed and kitchen good enough to get it passed? Obvioulsy there will be nobody sitting in the back as there is no seat or seatbelts there yet.

Also do you know, once i get the certificate to say its passed as a camper, how long do i have before i have to pay the VRT bill? Do I have to pay it there and then or is there time to pay?

Thanks again for all the info lads, this is indeed a minefield as Ireland likes to squeeze every penny out in tax.

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119366885#Comment_119366885

Absolutely, doesn’t have to be travelling seats, just somewhere to sit. do it as basic as you can.

actual requirements are here https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/conversions/specific-vehicles.aspx

consult an SQI to do the inspection, they’ll do some paperwork which you submit to Revenue, after approx 6 weeks you’ll get a VRT quote which you can then pay or not. (you don’t have to pay straight away)

There is a group on Facebook called Self Build Campervans Ireland which has lots of people who are in the process of, or have already done Revenue submissions for self builds.

seblex

Brilliant thank you for the info @colm_mcm

All this really helps me figure this whole thing out.

blueskys

If you don't put the rock and roll bed with seatbelts in before the sqi then your camper will only say seats 3 or two or whatever you have up the front and that is all you will be insured for.

seblex

Knew there would be a catch somewhere.

I will need to be insured for 4. Thanks for the heads up blueskys!

The valuation is based on current market value not what you paid for it. The revenue will have a index which moves with the market and they will adjust it dependent on the quality of the conversion.

seblex

Hoping it will depreciate a little by the time i have the seat in etc

tmon101

This is a very interesting chat, Im curious as to what you will expect to see on the Registration book section J (EU Vehicle Category) N1 or M1 or something else. From my reading of the CVRT v NCT, all Ms go for NCT, Im having a bit of a debate with CVRT now with my T5 VW .

D.3 (body type) and J.2 (motor tax class)on the reg book will probably say MOTOR CARAVAN

If you do change to 4 or 5 seats will the SQI say its M1 category?

Tom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119389888#Comment_119389888

My T4 Camper has to go for CVRT tests. I would hate for it to be going for an NCT as they tend to be far more picky than the CVRT test centers.

seblex

It is @tmon101

The more you dig into the conversion the more questions you have and the more possible bills etc you will be liable for.

The registeration of a camper van is quite straightforward, all you need are the basic requirements set out in legislation which are very simple to meet and then to have a Suitably Qualified Person certify that it meets those requirements. Send in the paperwork with a few photos (your SQP will do this for you), pay the 13% of the assessed value and you have a campervan. Bills so far SQP fees and VRT.

So far so simple.

Not so quick, you will be very unlikely to be able to get your basic conversion insured so you will be stuck with a camper which you cannot drive. Your insurance company will want to see a written report from your SQP to say that it meets their basic requirements - which will not be the same as the revenues. If you have gas your SQP will want to see that the gas has been certified by a registered gas fitter (be warned that almost no gas fitter will certify your own work). If you have mains electricity installed then you will need an electricians cert as well. Nearly all the Irish Insurers will want to see at least 1.8m height in the back of the van and they will also want to see that you can walk between the front seats and the back area. If you have a bench seat then that will have to go. If you want seat belts in the back then you better install a seat/bed that comes with crash test certs, or be prepared to subject your bed/seat to a pull test by your SQP (a bill in itself).

What they really want to see is a conversion which approximates to the standard of a commercial conversion, and they will make you jump through multiple hoops to prove that it does.

Bills for insurance gas fitter cert (if you have gas), electricians cert, crash test certs if needed, SQP certified report and VRT.

In short revenue is never the problem with diy campers. Its not so difficult if you think to the insurance stage rather than getting hung up on the revenue. If your conversion satisfies an insurance company it will satisfy the revenue. The worst possible outcome would be to not anticipate the insurance companies requirements and have to rip out and redo large areas of your conversion to meet their standards.

The tempting option is to think that you can keep it as a commercial vehicle - but this will be both expensive and nearly impossible to insure unless you have a legitimate registered business to register it against.

tmon101

Thanks @seblex and @shoog, yes it is a bit of a mine field but worth it. My T5 seems to have been incorrectly categorized as N1 (even thought it is MOTORCARAVAN on the log book) but now thanks to the helpful folks in Kildare Motor office this is now remedied and i should get my new reg book this week. It needs a CVRT and not NCT.