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VRT on a classic car

  • 08-06-2022 12:44pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭


    If I'm correct the VRT to import a classic car is 200 Euro.

    My question is, If the car was imported well before 30, over 10 years ago but it never got put on the road due to the owner moving abroad but now with the possibility of returning to Ireland will the owner only be charged 200 euro VRT?

    Or will there be a full VRT charge as from the date the car was brought into the country. Certificate of export.

    Registering vehicles imported from GB before 1 January 2021

    These vehicles can be registered as normal. You must provide documentary proof that the vehicle was imported before 1 January 2021. An example of proof would be a sales invoice or a ferry ticket which identifies the specific vehicle.

    Post edited by b4bmm on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    It'll still be 200 more than likely, the maximum penalty for late registration is also 200 - but no one ever seems to be charged, and half the staff at the VRT centre seem to think there is no penalty at all. (thats all assuming it was never presented for VRT prior to it being 30 y/o)

    Edit - you will probably need to supply some form of evidence that it arrived in Ireland prior to Brexit btw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    More than likely? :)

    Was never presented before.

    I have a certificate of export showing the date it was exported from UK.

    Can car be cleared remotely in this way or does it need to be roadworthy and driven into a VRT office to be witnessed and presented with the proof of export date? Im unclear of the actual process, I find their website poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Your VRT charge will be €200 - you can be potentially charged €200 in late payment penalties, but its unlikely. So best case scenario is €200, worst case is €400.

    You need to drive the car to the VRT office, or at least have it transported and be able to start it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    So it won't be a case of them going, hey you brought this car to Ireland 10 years ago so you need to pay the VRT as if you importer the car on that date? Is there a VAT charge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    No, because you never presented it for VRT - so the VRT is calculated at this point in time.

    No VAT or duty once you can prove it arrived prior to Brexit, they generally like a ferry ticket or proof of transport into Ireland. If you phone them and explain they'll be tell you whether or not the cert of permanent export suffices for this - they've always been helpful anytime I've phoned them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭w124man


    May I suggest that you contact the VRT office and ask them. They are the people who know the answers.

    I brought a car in yesterday and they were very keen to see the transport documents and the date of entry to the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    Yes thats the plan. I tried to yesterday but couldn’t get through. I’m sure some places are less stringent than others but maybe you have to bring it to your local office only?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    I rang my local office but the voice recording told me to get in touch with a Dublin number. Rang the Dublin number and the lady couldn't say one way or the other how the case would be looked at. Whether it would be a 200 euro charge for vintage or whether it would be a charge brought in based on the date of import. She told me to get in touch with my local office and I told her there was a voice recording that directed me to you.

    Also think the figure of 200 euro flat fee is likely not to be accurate. This is vintage car fee. If the car was not vintage when imported it would likely be charged at non vintage rates. Its hard to say but im guessing that's the way it would be?

    https://www.vrt.ie/faq/late-vrt-penalties/

    Vehicles in the State more than 60 days but not more than 6 months

    The following penalties apply:

    • Category A vehicles: 10% of OMSP, subject to a minimum of € 200
    • Category B vehicles: 5% of OMSP, subject to a minimum of € 100
    • Category C vehicles: € 100 per vehicle
    • Motorcycles: 40% of the VRT due.

    Vehicles in the State more than 6 months

    The following penalties apply:

    • Category A, Category B and Motorcycles: Increase the previous penalty at the rate of 5% of the penalty per month or part of a month of the period that has elapsed since registration was due
    • Category C vehicles: € 200 per vehicle

    At that rate Id be paying multiples of what the car is worth in late fees? It would be 10% OSMP fee for first two months, then 5% per month on top of that for the best part of 15 years………910% OSMP late fee 😂 😂

    What she did say is that I could write to Wexford, why Wexford I dont know, must be head office and say that the car was never on the road, I left the country before putting it on the road and to plead for forgiveness basically.

    Why is there so many folk on here that seem to be getting away without all these charges?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    You're presenting the car for the first time, so it is vintage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    You make it sound very easy. It was anything but easy talking to the lady on the phone. Do you have experience with a similar situation to the one I am in?

    The last thing I want to do is present the car only to pay a huge late fee or have them take the car. Id be better off doing something along the lines of exporting it back to the UK and selling it there or reimporting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Yes, my latest resto was three years in the bodyshop on yellows and I cleared it last year.

    One of the guys on autostadt I think had the exact same scenario as you just a fortnight or so ago - they wanted him to provide evidence that the car was in storage. So rather than clear it on the day, it took 3 weeks or so to turn it around.

    Few things to note -

    In the very worst case, there is no requirement to pay any charges if you don't want to pay them - you have 30 days I think to remove a car from the state if needs be.

    If your car is a non-runner, you cannot VRT the car - it doesn't classify as a mechanically propelled vehicle. So even if it arrived in Ireland twenty years ago, its only eligible to be VRT'd once its actually running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    Did you have to provide receipts showing it was in a bodyshop and could not be cleared for that reason?

    Really getting into the weeds here haha. But was it or was it not a non runner when entering the country, do you have proof it was a non runner during that time sir?

    Im curious how deep they go with all this, there seems to be no hard and fast rules?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭lomb


    Penalty is .1% per day of the vrt, so if its 200e , then it 20 cent a day=70 euros a year thats the max anywayAdditional VRT (revenue.ie)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    That's on what it would be now, the fine would be on the rate at the time, I would think. So multiple your estimates by approx 20-30 and multiply that by maybe 18 years.


    Im still none the wiser as how to do this. Ive asked a few people and nobody has the same answer. Seems to very location dependent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭w124man


    Interesting last seven words there. So if you have had a car in the State for ten years its going to be expensive! Contrary to forum and bar stool talk Revenue calculate the value of the car when it entered the State. So if your VRT was going to be €2000 ten years ago the calculation is quite simple!

    VRT x 0.1% x Days x Years =

    2000 x 0.1% x 365 x 10 = 7300 + the original VRT of 2000





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Yes. But additional VRT is calculated separately to the actual VRT - which is done on the date of presentation, and for a vintage car, additional VRT is capped at €200.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭w124man


    If a vintage car was brought in at the age of 20 and presented ten years later, the fine is based on the VRT at the time the car entered the state, not the time it was presented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭JabbaTheHut


    That's interesting. I've always assumed it was like w124man said, that it is calculated from the date it eneterd the country, meaning the penalties are much more. I mean, it's even stated there. Any UK reg(for example) I've seen advertised for sale that have been here a while, I shy away from because of my belief that it could be so much more than a simple €200 VRT.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭w124man




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    It’s not. You’re just talking complete and utter rubbish and you know it. There’s not even any mechanism for calculating an OMSP from a decade ago. Jesus wept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    The penalties are calculated from date of entry to the state. The VRT isn’t. And the maximum penalty on a vintage car is €200 - and even then you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone who has ever had to pay it, because half the revenue staff seem to think there’s no penalties due at all for vintage registrations. Half the nice E30s in the country were stashed away in sheds for years waiting to hit vintage status, I know loads of lads who’ve cleared them for the €200 fee with no penalty. My CRX was here 4 years or so before VRTing it and it was €200.

    I’ve also cleared a newer car, which was bought in December but VRTd in January The rate was exactly in line with the car being one year older - not what was quoted in December when I bought it.

    Edit - I’d shy away from a UK reg here too, but mainly because of the potential VAT and duty hassle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭w124man


    No mechanism? Did you ever hear of the internet? Christ on a bike



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    This is my problem. Which seemingly worked out good for you but bad for the other poster. It depends who you get on the day, It depends where you're doing it as to what that place deem is the correct rules? I rang the VRT and even they couldn't give me an answer but said that I might be expected to pay a large late fee for not clearing it within one month from importation or whatever the timeframe was she mentioned.

    I had to re-read this thread again. I will ring the VRT office again next week and I'll go in person and ask them also. Your opinion is (based on going through it yourself) there is no VAT payable if the car was imported prior to Brexit. I have a certificate of permanent export when I brought it in prior to Brexit so need to find out if this will suffice, along with a receipt from the seller on letterhead paper from the garage on the same date.

    If the car is older than 30 years when presented it will be classified as a vintage car, its not the date of importation but the date of inspection that matters so VRT will be E200. If late fees are applicable because it was not presented when imported the most it will be due is E200 because that's the cap for a vintage vehicle. Have I got all that right?

    What paperwork is asked by the inspector on the day you present the car for VRT?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭lomb


    Trust me, its 20 cent/day max on classic+200e and even that doesnt apply as there is no proof the car was mechanically propelled and suitable to be vrted.

    Ive looked at tax appeals cases and anyone can as they are online and the vrt is always even on newer cars charged on the date it was assesed not the day it was in the State and the penalties are based off the new lower vrt at .1% per day.

    The citizens advice whilst normally good and accurate are talking absolute shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    So your agreeing that Mr Devitts' comments are accurate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭lomb


    I am, and the tax appeals commision does too. You can look at vrt cases ( on modern cars not vintage-no one is going to appeal a 200e penalty even if one applied) Its .1% per day penalty of the new lower vrt on top of the new lower vrt. Thats 100% unless they have changed the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Correct on the VAT -


    Registering vehicles imported from GB before 1 January 2021

    These vehicles can be registered as normal. You must provide documentary proof that the vehicle was imported before 1 January 2021. An example of proof would be a sales invoice or a ferry ticket which identifies the specific vehicle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    Any links to some appeals cases?

    It looks like the VRT needs to be paid in full before you can make any appeal. I guess you will get a refund then when an appeal is successful. https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/appeals/the-process-and-making-an-appeal.aspx



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm



    "I know loads of lads who’ve cleared them for the €200 fee with no penalty."

    What's to stop me going to this VRT centre and registering my vehicle there, save me any hassle from ill informed VRT officers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    I’m still a skeptic. The two screenshots froM the NCT/VRT website seem to portray additional VRT will be liable for vehicles not registered on time, it doesn’t say that It will be additional penalties on top of the VRT at the time of registering?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Why don’t just actually VRT the car and find out? If you don’t like the quote you can decline to pay it and export it from the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    Have all the cars you've registered or know that have been registered in this manner been available on the VRT website estimating the cost of the VRT? The car I am looking to clear is not on the website and so the VRT has to go to central office before the price can be finalised.

    The car is getting some work done right now to make it a mechanically propelled vehicle so I can't clear it until probably next month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    No, cleared a Porsche which wasn't on there. If its a vintage car which isn't listed they won't clear it on the day usually - you'll usually be sent away and have to come back a week or so later to pay the €200. Not exactly efficient, but it is what is is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭lomb


    around 700 days and .1% of the new lower vrt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    I dont see how this appeal is relevant to my situation or what you mean 700 days .1% new lower VRT?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    Do you need an C02 and NOX emissions document for vintage vehicles when VRTing? Do you have any choice the number on your vintage plate apart from the ZV?

    Post edited by b4bmm on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    No emissions payment on a vintage car. No choice on reg number other than option for year of ZV format



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    How do they decide what county to put on the car, is it where it gets VRTd or the county of your home address?

    Is there no way to request a particular number or numbers that may no longer be used in that county for the year of manufacture of the car?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    County is based on the address you provide. There is no way to request a number anymore. You can only reserve a number for a brand new car - and that costs €1k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    Brought the car for VRT. Assessment being sent to main office to decide on the cost. Lady said her best guess is it would be €200 plus penalties. She was of the opinion I would be charged €76 for every year it was late registered but couldn't confirm 100% if that's what it would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭b4bmm


    Kdevitt


    K for King.

    €200. No penalty to pay. Delighted. Thanks for your help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭lomb


    You mean 73 euros a year? (.1% of 200=.20 cent per dayx365)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    Hello all,

    Perhaps someone can shed some light on this for me. I am looking to import a 1986 Land Rover defender from Northern Ireland. It is originally a UK vehicle. It is a 12 seater. It has been registered in Northern Ireland for the past 19 years. Is the VRT going to be a simple €200? It isn’t listed on the calculator website. Any experience or knowledge anyone has would be greatly appreciated. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭w124man


    12 seats would class it as a PSV I think. Take a few seats out. Simple €200 VRT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    Further information reveals whilst there is 12 'seats' only 3 ( at the front ) have seat belts. Is it possible to add seat belts to 3 more seats? ( I do not mean physically possible as I know that it is ) I mean legally. & would this be best done pre or post importation into the republic? I would then remove the remaining 6 seats ( rear benches ) so that it would just have 6 seats, all legitimate.

    I know it is a really specific & technical question but perhaps someone knows the answer.



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