Time for a second airport in Dublin?

jmb2022

Seems long over due - perhaps time for a second airport in Dublin. Also some healthy competition in how airports are managed.... discuss!!

1992ChainGang

Where would you build it?

Atlantic Dawn

Airport ran fine in 2019 with more passengers using it than now, issue is with not enough staff, particularly security screening staff, nothing more.

Yup, can't run one airport, better get another one.

Xander10

time to start using the other airports in the country at a par price.

endofrainbow

There were murmurs of this over 20 years ago and it was to use Baldonnel.

mikemac2

Send the flights to Cork, Shannon, Knock. I heard this week Dublin has 86% of the flights in the country

Well that is for the airlines to decide I suppose but DAA control both Dublin and Cork so there is one example where negotiation can take place. The DAA could offer a deal on fees if some flights went to Cork.

ted1

If people wanted to fly from cork there’d be flights. But the majority of the population is within 90 minutes of Dublin airport.

why send flights there instead? If they are wanted send them there aswell.

we had compulsory stop overs in Shannon . Once they dropped the compulsory part they realised they were not wanted

Bulldoze the Phoenix Park and make it a big massive airport. Plus, it'll wind up all sorts of people. Win-win.

AMKC

There was supposed to be a new airport in the Midlands. What ever happened to that? It would make more sense than having two airports in Dublin.

Strumms

Run the one we have properly and there won’t be a need for a second airport.

it wouldn’t be commercially viable… only place it could be built would be truly on the outskirts of the city. South or southwest.

to purchase a land space big enough for terminals, runways etc…

even a moderately sized airport compared to Dublin you’d need about 2000 acres of land… terminals, remote parking for aircraft, hangers, offices, runways and associated navigation aids like approach lights, ILS, fire station, ATC tower… police, Garda, immigration,

an acre of land is around 12,000 euros. You’d need about 2000- 2500 acres of land.

so about 30 million to pay for land before you build a thing.

how do people get there ?

healthy competition ? Not really… airports are extremely expensive to run, staff and maintain… and having to build one from scratch ? You’d be by my estimation a couple of hundred million euros in the hole before you see a plane land or takeoff… take a long time before a profit would be made.

Viscount Aggro

Needs to be southside, where all the money is. I suggest Newcastle, Wicklow.. already has a runway

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248435/time-for-a-second-airport-in-dublin

Heavens above they can't even manage one 😁

phonypony

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150516#Comment_119150516

The problem there is that you're potentially taking away feeder routes - those that feed from regional airports into international destinations

phonypony

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150705#Comment_119150705

I think there used to be an area in T1 dedicated to routing pax to these flights, prior to the construction of new piers (if I recall correctly). It makes so much sense.

appledrop

Maybe if they pay their security staff more than 14.14 an hour including shift work for a 2am start, then they might be able to run the one they have properly!

Oh and also you have to be available for 40 hours a week but only guaranteed 20 hours.

The DAA management meanwhile is raking it in.

titan18

Just need to use Cork and Shannon more. Cork in particular is underused considering the industry and companies within the area and the population amount within 90 minutes of Cork.

Del2005

The problems at Dublin, and all the other airports and airlines having the same issues around the world, is staffing not capacity. They fired all their staff at the start of COVID and now with loads of jobs and not enough people prospective employees are deciding that crap contracts aren't for them. The airports and airlines need to start paying their staff or it won't get any better, it'll more likely get worse as more staff leave.

Fatnacho

Let Ryanair build a privatised T3. Will alleviate congestion, increase competition and not cost the taxpayer a penny.

Terrontress

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150979#Comment_119150979

Michael O’Leary repeatedly offered to do this but was turned down each time.

guyfo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150979#Comment_119150979

Yes, but let them build it at Baldonnell instead.

MAULBROOK

Hows this for mental.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/proposals-for-airport-near-arklow-welcomed-1.682593

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146598#Comment_119146598

Not fully true but im sure you are happy that you get to add another post to your tally even if it’s the usual misinformation from you.

The airport failed a security test which is causing a huge amount of delays as a large % of bags need random searching / swabbing which is a manual effort. This was not the case in 2019

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150979#Comment_119150979

where In Dublin airport would you build T3… ? there is nowhere to build it…look on google maps… no space… last bit of space the new runway is being built on…

touts

You can be in Belfast, Shannon and Cork faster than most airports that Ryanair fly into as the airport for a major city. Try getting a taxi from Frankfurt Haan to Frankfurt. And it can take 3+ hours to get between Gatwick, Stansted and Heathrow.

Dublin doesn't need another Airport. Dublin people need to start to move outside the M50 for more things.

phonypony

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151087#Comment_119151087

Wasn't the area between the parallel runways on the Western side of the airfield mooted for this eventuality?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151087#Comment_119151087

Should not be building that runway when they can't manage what they have .

Baldonnel has land , access via a motorway and is underused .

Also many people around the country would prefer to fly through Cork or Shannon but the airlines are not giving them that option enough .

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151186#Comment_119151186

How is Baldonnel under used ? It’s a military airbase, what knowledge or expertise qualifies you to determine that it’s underused ?

airlines as businesses in a free and democratic economy can fly to whatever destination and routes suit… they are private businesses… PSO routes are instigated in several instances where a standalone operation may not be financially viable.. DUB - CFN ( Donegal ) is one.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151186#Comment_119151186

The option isn’t there because the business case isn’t. There isn’t the population to support it.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151032#Comment_119151032

I'll see your Arklow and raise you Dundalk

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2022/0504/1295989-plans-for-dundalk-airport/

Suvarnabhumi

Do what they did in Japan and Hong Kong. Build an artificial island and use that. Sure Dalkey Island would be grand and it's right beside the DART too. We'd finally have a rail link.