Well Done your honour

road_high

Judge 'sick' of defendants seeking court translators: 'No need when they go buy hooch’

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/judge-sick-of-defendants-seeking-court-translators-no-need-when-they-go-buy-hooch-41681448.html

No doubt the PC mob are trying to get her sacked as I type. Absolute minimal requirement for living here and claiming welfare etc should be fluency in the native languages be that English or Irish. Need more like her to call out these chancers

The bit I like is "INAR, an umbrella group for 170 organisations committed to combating racism and discrimination, condemned the judge’s remarks."

Wonder how many of those 170 completely different organisations with completely different aims and ethos receive state funding.

AyeGer

5 years and can’t speak the local language is ridiculous.

foxsake

A judge we can agree with!

well done for speaking out.

whisky_galore

Wokeratti quangos rattled.

Wishbone Ash

You're watching too much US TV. Judges in Ireland are never referred to as 'your honour'.

KaneToad

I can order a beer in many countries where English is not spoken. But I wouldn't want to appear as a defendant in a court of law there!

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108136#Comment_119108136

Was just thinking the same, K. Easy enough to say the one line in a relaxed setting but wouldn’t fancy having to sit through a day of “legalese” in a foreign tongue.

victor8600

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108097#Comment_119108097

Not really, a guy may know enough English to buy "hooch" and to work side jobs in a warehouse or in construction. But he may find it difficult to understand what a judge says and to speak with any eloquence to make his case.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108097#Comment_119108097

To an extent but if you find you don't need it why bother. Language learning does not come easy to some people, even their own language. Met some of our own in Germany who had barely a word after a decade and the south of Spain is full of expats with not a word. In the UK there are large chunks of that 1950s movement of Asian immigrants who never mastered it either. Yet all of them can function happily enough in their lives.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108136#Comment_119108136

Simple answer to that.

Don't beat up people.

Montage of Feck

Do we really need 170 organisations to combat racism?

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108136#Comment_119108136

It doesn't take any fluency in a language to carry a 4 pack or bottle of vodka to the till and pay for it.

Strumms

When I worked in France as a young man I had studied French for 5 years… and had an excellent working knowledge of the language….

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108097#Comment_119108097

Should be fluent, just hasn’t made the effort.

“Courts received 9,216 requests for interpreters last year compared to 7,513 in 2020. Court interpreters cost €1.5m in 2021 and €1m in 2020.” I’m reading…16,729 over a two year period.

so 22 requests per day….marvellous.

meanwhile we are closing rehab beds for physical rehabilitative treatments due to funding issues and staff shortages. What a country, what a time to be alive.

Jequ0n

It’s entirely possible for someone to live in a foreign county and not learn the local language. Many of them will only engage within their own communities, which does not require them to adapt at all. Needless to say these will not be people working in high skilled jobs, or the ones having received a decent education.

I can understand why the judge would feel frustrated, but she should have kept her mouth shut and will likely regret her words.

cj maxx

I had a Lithuanian friend during the boom , who while fluent in English, as well as Russian, German and of course Lithuanian, had sincere problems reading English. Maybe reading and not speaking/understanding English is the problem

Fandymo

“The court heard the defendant went behind the takeaway counter and punched a staff member several times in the face. Then he punched another man who tried to help the staff member. Sentencing in the case was adjourned.” - The man who did this is the victim, according to INAR.

irelandrover

I live in the Netherlands and have sufficient dutch to hold casual conversations and get by in everyday life. Not a hope in hell would i rely on my Dutch in a legal setting.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110345#Comment_119110345

This guy was engaging with more than his own community.

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110345#Comment_119110345

Interested to know how she is likely to regret her words.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110345#Comment_119110345

Regret how? Not too many judges get the sack.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110357#Comment_119110357

"The vulnerable"...

sam t smith

I hope yer man is sent packing after he has served his sentence.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110362#Comment_119110362

Dont go assaulting people in Holland so ? just in case.

Badly Drunk Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110345#Comment_119110345

Many of them will only engage within their own communities...

I think jumping behind the counter of a takeaway and attacking two people could be described as engaging with more than your own little community.

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110545#Comment_119110545

I don't. But buying a house required a translator. Getting married required a translator.

You can have perfectly good abilities to speak the local language but that doesn't mean it's good enough to deal with the legal system.

This guy is clearly in the wrong but the judges comments are more general and it's not only people charged that need translators in court.

screamer

Build an app to translate for them, I don’t think that all of them requesting an interpreter need one, and to be fair even those of us with fluent English don’t speak legalese, can we all get an interpreter free please.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110147#Comment_119110147

Of course, those requests will include victims and witnesses needing translation services too.

T-Maxx

I was reading about the ongoing Deliveroo murder charge case and one thing that came out is the testimony of one of the witnesses who claimed he saw a commotion and jogged up to see what's going on - where it transpired from evidence that he in fact sprinted to the scene. A local lad by all accounts and whilst one could argue that there's little difference between the two in this instance it makes a huge difference.

thefallingman

I would imagine the judge will regret saying those things, if he is entitled to a translator there is not much you can do, unless you change his and every other immigrants rights.

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108163#Comment_119108163

Eloquence to make his case 🤣 I'm sure he can say the word "Sorry" in English, what else is there to say? He's pleaded guilty ffs.

He didn't like the battered fish so he decided to batter the chipper.