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Price of social housing


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭ Xterminator

    the council should be housing those on the waiting list. they are not responsible for the state of the housing market in Ireland, nor the high prices it costs to deliver a unit of housing. why the anger is directed at the council for fulfilling its obligations.

    Does op really think there should be no social housing in ireland, or those in need of social housing she be left waiting for the housing crisis to abate before getting anyone on the housing list housed? no reasonable person would say that.

    direct your anger at the people who have perpetuated the housing crisis. not the vulnerable in society - and lets be clear OPs jibe about how they are busting their 'put' off is a thinly veiled jibe at people who cannot work, or earn so little they qualify for social housing.

    i've worked all my life, but im not a 'irish tory' voter to be told the single mothers etc of Ireland are to blame for the housing crisis. It lies with the successive governments failure to address the issues in any meaning ful way, and let me tell you you wont find any of the TD's in Ireland on the social housing list!

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  • Ah just what Boards needs.

    Another social housing and single mother bashing thread.

    Do you never get bored?

  • Registered Users Posts: 48 porkmaster

    I'm certainly not bashing anyone anyway.

    I said it above, it's not about social housing, it's about the utter trainwreck of the housing market at large.

    It has become so absurd for most people that the idea of social housing is delirious. Similar, perhaps, to seeing someone paying 10c a litre for petrol while you're getting robbed at 2 euro from the same petrol station. The comparison is hard to not draw.

    That aside, the anger should be put on the people who created such an unequal society.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭ Grolschevik

    That said, this discussion has been flogged to death a million times before, and rarely ends well. I initially thought the original post was by one of the more prolific recent re-regs because of that.

  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Well the taxpayers are certainly being flogged. Government(local and national), spending like drunken sailors on shore leave

    In the end nobody wins from this spending(apart from the developer). Paying a fair price, and not the inflated mess above, would do a lot to keep prices down for everybody. Refuse to pay the price, other buyers refuse to pay the price, the developer will stop gouging.

  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Its not right, but the quangos and the politicians just love doing their best Jesus Christ impressions based on other peoples'(ie average working person) blood, sweat and tears.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    Instead of attacking the person working and paying tax so that others can get it for free or as good as, maybe you should thank him for his service.

    I know, i know ... someone will be along now to say they pay rent and vat.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    You could house 3 families in multiple houses if you built them where its cheap to build instead on wasting all that amount on one unit in a prime area. Then people who could actually afford to buy a house might get a look in too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭ Subzero3

    Are the social still selling houses? A lad I get coal from said he was buying his detached house off the council for a cheap price. Don't know if he's lying or not as he's only there 10 years.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭ mrslancaster

    Developers don't like the part5 rule, it's more profitable for them to build commercial so we're getting loads of hotels and built-to-rent but not enough houses for sale at affordable prices.

    Social housing will always be needed for those who can't afford to buy, but is spending huge amounts of public money buying in expensive private developments the best use of resources? Would it be quicker and cheaper if councils were to be directly involved the same as previous generations? Why is that a non-runner now?

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,010 ✭✭✭ riclad

    Re migration,, we are in the EU , people have a right to come to work, go to any cafe, shop, hotel, most of the people working there are non nationals. The economy would collapse if all the non nationals left Ireland, look at brexit , its a complete disaster, company's short of workers, UK company's struggling with regulations, dutys, tariffs because of non EU trading rules, right now a USA company can buy Irish property , rent it out, pay maybe 1 per cent tax,

    I don't know how the councils were able to build 1000s of houses in the 70s, 80s and now maybe build 5000 units a year now. The council has to provide housing for old age pensioners, people on disability, allowance, single mothers etc someone needs to right an article on how the government screwed up the housing market since 2000. I think if you are a tenant for x amount of time you might have a right to buy the house maybe

    I know a bloke tried to buy his house, council won't sell it to him as he is separated from his wife but not divorced he's got 50k plus in the bank he lives in a 3bed house by himself

    By the way the council only rent houses to single mothers with 2 kids or maybe people with disabilitys. You can't just go on the dole and ask for a house.

    I'd imagine the price of a large site in dublin is in the millions, so this has to incorporated in the cost of each house , so each house cost 300 to 400 k and that probably included vat

    Women with 2 kids are living in hotels waiting for a house to be built

    There's a film drama about a single mother she goes to a Council and says look lend me the money I could self build a house for maybe 100k on this site instead of living in a hotel

    One example on Abbey Street theres a 4 storey old building empty for 10 years why does they Council not get a compulsory purchase order on it it could easily be turned into 8 self contained flats it would maybe cost 100k to modernise it

    All the single mothers I know have cars, they work in cafes or shops and pay tax

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    The cost cannot be measured in euros alone. The butcher’s bill for this disaster is being shouldered predominantly by younger generations, and I would wager that most of us keenly are aware of this. We’re being fleeced to keep older generations in pensions and hold this bloated monstrosity of a social welfare system afloat whilst accruing very little, if anything, in return. I would ask what the social cost of this would be. The inability to procure stable housing means that younger generations will be less likely to have children, or they will put off having children until later in life.  I am childless at 35, and the very thought of having a child whose future would be so uncertain terrifies me. What will be the outcome of that in a few decades? 

    There is another aspect to all of this that never gets mentioned. Namely, what has all of this done for the reputation of the state? If the state is meant to protect its citizens and provide them with stability, then it has failed.  I myself see the state as a parasitic, malicious conglomerate of hostile individuals that sucks up resources to urinate up a wall whilst simultaneously working to utterly destroy the country that I love dearly. I doubt that I am alone in that point of view.

  • Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭ thegetawaycar

    The part 5 social houses should be part of the planning permission and handed over for free as a requirement for planning permission. If the council want more then they should pay full price but really it's beyond crazy that the council pay upwards of 4/500k a house.

    The council should also not be bidding for houses on the private market and should in no way be selling off stock. The reason they do is because they are too lazy/incapable of actually collecting the minimal rent.

    Like LPT the revenue should collect social rent from anyone not paying and they should also be involved in setting the rent being paid since many don't announce when their income jumps.