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New job/career at 57 - ideas?

  • 10-05-2022 1:10pm
    Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny

    Hi, currently I have a small one man business in the IT area, been at it for over 20 years, after a career in IT before that, so IT all my life.

    Since covid started, my sales fell off the cliff and have never come back, been really struggling since then, to the point now that I've run out of money now and can manage maybe one more pay day at the end of this month, then I'm done. Office rent paid till end June, no debts in business, tax affairs all in order. Just basically zero in the bank and no new significent work has come in in the last 2 years.

    I know you may say/think, being in IT I should be busy, and I agree, but I'm not. TBH the crash of 2008 just killed me, I just don't have the mental will or energy to basically stary from scratch again, cold knocking on doors for business, plus the fact I hate IT now anyway.

    I have been spending the time trying to come up with a new business idea, but all fell flat for various reasons. So, I seem to be faced with the only option of looking for a job. From what I can gather, it seems to be a good time to do that.

    IT is out, because A) I hate it, and B) I've been doing my own thing, my own ways, for 20+ years now, so not up to speed with the latest stuff. I just would not be able to hack it in another environment.

    So, what else is there for me at my age? Degree educated, reasonably smart, experience at running a business (clearly not very well the last 10 years, but did have a good run at the start).

    Ideally looking for part time, even more ideally WFH. Reason is, as mentioned I have been working on other business ideas, and in the middle of one that looks good, but have just run out of money. So would like to have time for that and keep office on as it's not too expensive.

    Live in Dublin if that matters.




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Do yourself a fetac level 5 ( some agencies or nursing homes will even pay the fees for ya).

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat

    Abysmal wages, brutal hours. Work that is gruelling physically and mentally and will leave OP utterly drained. Would only recommend this route for a much younger person looking to eventually enter one of the health care professions.

  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Etc

    Project management jumps out at me, you would have managed many projects over the years and PMs are always in demand across multiple industries. Plenty of contract positions as well for part time work. The institute of project management run diploma courses in Dublin if you want a cert. It's a great course.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld

    Hating IT is a sweeping statement although I do empathise a lot. 😁😁😁 What about QA or documentation or planning or project management in a not too stressful employment. Would keep you going for another few years. Basically, no longer working for yourself or worrying about the business.

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Do you have Linkedin? If not, do up your Linkedin to include all of your relevant experience and I am certain you will have recruiters onto you by the dozen offering roles. You may be able to move into something else that's not exactly IT but your skills may be transferrable too.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny

    Blimey, never thought of that! Is this the one you mean?

    EDIT - can't post links. Is it Certified Project Management Diploma on the IPM site?

    What are the employment opportunities like straight off the course? I have no formal experience, apart from what you say, in my own work.

  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny

    I do have Linkedin, but hardly ever use it. However, I have myself listed as MD of My Company Name - as I have never received job offers I assume recruiters assume I am not looking. If I say I am looking, some of my clients will see that.

  • Posts: 0 Monica Shy Arch

    IT skills are transferable to virtually everything, in fact they are almost a basic necessity for everything one might undertake now. Are you tired of the relative social isolation that might be part of IT? Do you want a job that involves more interfacing with clients? Are you creative? Do you want to create and produce a product or a service? Would you like to work with animals, as in pet minding? Would you think of creating a service where there is a certain gap in the market? I could think of one, a complete funeral organiser. Not an undertaker, but somebody who sources an undertaker that is suited to modern funeral needs, sources a venue for attendees to have lunch /refreshments / house catering. There would be pretty much guaranteed customers, don’t know about profitability. Or are you good with your hands, eg making/repairing items?

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭fits

    There are some pm courses available to do with no charge through . Accredited.

  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny

    I should have clarified what I currently do, it's software development. So a bit more than knowing Office :) I don't want to do that again, but do don't mind using a computer as part of a non IT job, if that makes sense.

    I don't care either way re people or not. Thanks for your idea re funerals, bit like a wedding planner eh? Nore sure if I could be dealing with people that just lost a loved one though...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Etc

    Yes, that’s the one, it’s very well recognised and you are PMI certified as a result of completion. It will open a lot of doors but I’d suggest looking at PM roles without the formal training too as a lot of roles specify formal training as a nice to have, it’s more important the more senior you get.

  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Etc

    And fits makes a great point about fetchcourses.

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble

    At age 57? Not f*ecking likely. If the OP has in-demand development skills, then s/he may get contracts in that area. But good luck with fitting that around part-time etc.

  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Etc

    Rubbish, there’s plenty of jobs out there and employers are being increasingly flexible, especially where a candidate can show general skills and experience, which based on his original post he does. There are lots of companies where job sharing is increasing and people are looking for reduced hours.

    I’m not sure where you’re working but you’re not in touch with the current job market.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Andrea B.

    Some thoughts come to mind;

    1. Change your job title on LinkedIn to " seeking new opportunities ". Post your pic.

    2. Never underestimate smart employers to see the value in the soft-skills of somebody who sustained self-employment.

    Business awareness.

    Customer oriented.

    Self starter.

    Systematic approach.

    3. On the PM front, imo, I believe the benefit of seeing a true effective PM in action in terms of tools and methods is needed to compliment training.

    4. Visit the boards Entrepreneurial forum and browse the historical posts. You never know what angle/idea jumps out at you.

    5. Be it self-employed that you are thinking, in these uncertain times and your age, be very cautious of anything that requires capital.

    6. Don't rule out roles that may get you in door to a company, such as customer service, administration, technical support etc. that will allow your competencies and skills from having been self employed (see 3 above) to shine through and show your worth, possibly leading to even more responsible roles.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,319 ✭✭✭MrMusician18

    I know there are going to be the posters with "it's never too late" spiel but at 57, to be honest it is too late. Major investment in a new qualification is unlikely to pay for itself in the 10 or so working years you have.

    While you haven't said what you had been paying yourself, changing career always puts you at the foot of the ladder and wages are likely to be a lot lower than you're used to.

    If I were you, if there were short courses that will make your development skills more current, that's what I'd do. Software development is in huge demand in Dublin and you could command a very decent wage.

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble

    Are you over 50?

    Because I am, and I have recent experience job hunting while over 50.

    Having been self employed is another barrier, because you will be seen as difficult to manage. Especially if you admit that you hate IT and can't be ar$Ed seeking new business anymore.

  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Etc

    Yes, I am actually, and that’s your experience. Self employment isn’t a barrier if you can show transferable skill’s and while the poster admits he doesn’t like IT now, he also quoted that business dried up during the pandemic which is a very legitimate reason to give in a job interview. I have numerous friends and colleagues who have changed career, job and outlook in their 50’s and I know most companies in my sector will happily take on staff over 50. I was 49 when I joined.

    just because your recent experience didn’t pan out doesn’t mean you should be belittle the poster and their efforts.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Andrea B.

    +1, and hopes this gives the OP some more realistic hope and motivation.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Andrea B.

    You won't be difficult to manage or be seen as difficult to manage if you abide by the most basic of fundamentals.

    Directly or indirectly, ensure you make your manager's job easier than it was before you were hired. Everything else feeds into that.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Gerard93

    Hi OP

    Jobs expo in Cork this Sat might be of interest

    I know u said u Dublin based still maybe worth a trip chat to recruiters etc get CV reviewed

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble

    Some of ye really need to work on reading comprehension.

    The OP said:

    IT is out, because A) I hate it, and B) I've been doing my own thing, my own ways, for 20+ years now, so not up to speed with the latest stuff. I just would not be able to hack it in another environment.

    Unless he's a Cobol programmer who can pick up remote work from London etc then ITs not the way to go.

    And with 20 years one-man-band experience, I don't see him as a credible project manager in a large environment either.

  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny

    Thanks for all the replies, more than I expected. Re the post above, 20 years as a one man, is that a valid point?

    On the FETCH site, "PRINCE (2)" is mentioned a lot in PM search results, what is that?

  • Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog

    As someone that did homecare stay away, at least from the agency stuff as a man, you can only go to make patients and straight away that's your available hours down. You'll spend most on fuel driving client to client.

    If needs be work in a nursing home etc to keep you going a while but you'd have more heath mentally and physically working in a shop and actually not spend your wage on fuel

  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Listendernow

    If you speak another language you could always tutor people online through a service like italki. The pay will suck compared to IT or anything software, but it depends on how well you can speak the language. You could tutor English for very cheap for example, but if you don't speak another language you would not get many people to talk to. Worth considering if you like talking to people, but if you don't speak a foreign language... yeah just forget I said anything.

  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Etc

    You're not taking him on so you're opinion of his suitability as a project manager isn't valid. Project management doesn't have to be in a large environment either. Given you're not having much luck getting a job yourself I don't think your in the best position to be determining someone else's suitability for a position.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Patsy167

    Would you consider teaching OP? I have done a few evening hobby courses and most of the teachers were entrepreneurs.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

    IT geeks are usually not great people people....

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Andrea B.

    Yes, do elderly care.

    Specialise in palliative /coma, so that your not being a people person doesn't really matter.

    All solved now.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭seablue

    Prince2 in project management framework. You can get trained up fairly quickly. Lots of places running online or inperson training. Here's one place in Dublin