Moving on from Nissan Qashqai +2

History Queen

Hi all, have got great advice and recommendations from the forum previously so I'm back again looking for help. Upgrading from a 12 Nissan Qashqai +2. Expecting our third child and have a teen stay with us every second weekend.

Requirements:

7 seater that can take 3 car seats across the middle row.

Back row needs some leg room.

Budget 15000

Diesel, commute 30km morning and evening 5 days a week and do almost monthly motorway trip of approx 160km.

So far I'm considering the Peugeot 5008 and Citroën C4 Grand Picasso, but have not had a drive of either yet. I test drove the new Dacia Jogger even though it is out of budget as was willing to stretch for new andthe price point was tempting, but as it is only available in petrol, just wasn't suitable.

Very open to suggestions. Thanks in advance.

AMKC

Ford S-Max, Renault Grand Scenic. Both are seven seaters and both are lovely cars. Opel Zafira Tourer is another.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242140/moving-on-from-nissan-qashqai-2

The Jogger has a bad NCAP rating. Discussed on another thread here.

3 car seats across the middle is the issue you will find. The 5008 trick is this of course. The commute you are talking about is not really diesel but the budget you have and type of vehicle you are best staying in diesel as best selection.

The SMAX could be an option, I had one and loved it. Can't remember if it would fit the 3 across the middle seat.

Loads of similar cars to the 5008 etc, just have a look at what you like

The bigger options are then Galaxy and Alhambra/Sharan.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118944117#Comment_118944117

Jeez you really do like Dacia do you? Yes they could come with more safety kit but them they would cost more and no one would buy them then. They are a strong safe car. They are the new Skoda. Dacia are not gone on all the electronic safety rubbish. A car after all is only as safe as the driver driving it. It could be a Volvo with all the best safety in the world but if that driver is a dangerous driver then S/he is probably going to kill themselves either way.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118945861#Comment_118945861

Just pointing out to people they have a low rating.

Incorrect on a car is only as safe as the person driving it, unfortunately the road is full of idiots. So you can be the safest driver in the World and someone can still drive head first into you due to no fault of your own.

At that stage would you prefer to know the car you are in has a higher or lower rating?

For a family car with 3-4 kids I think it is 100% relevant the safety rating. Of course the OP is entitled to ignore

Like any car not sure what the issue is with pointing out a fault?

History Queen

Thanks for the suggestions. I hadn't thought to look at Renault Grand Scenic, or the Opel Zafira Tourer so will check them out. Had bad experience years ago with a Ford Focus which I think scarred me slightly! Saying that there's a good few S-Max and Galaxys being driven here locally so they can't be too bad, I'll look in to them too. Of the above reliability wise do any stick out above the others?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946955#Comment_118946955

I had Fords, Mondeo x 2, SMAX and Galaxy. Nothing went in the SMAX but they have a known issue with the flywheel. I am sure if I hung onto mine longer it would have went. Nothing went in the mondeo's

The Galaxy something went in the front suspension but I had extended warranty so it was covered. Apart from that the Ford is solid and the engines are good in them.

I know someone said to me before people buy a SMAX/Galaxy new and then just drive for the whole time they have a large family and then trade in, so finding a good one can be hard. The ones I had, SMAX was a garage car I bought and the Galaxy was a UK import I got from Windsor who provided extended warranty, which paid for itself with the problem.

My brother had a 2011 5008, just traded it in for a 2017 Grand Scenic. They put I think it was 250k miles on it, it was UK import. Few bits and pieces went on it and he was sure the clutch was going but again nothing major once it was serviced.

Just personal experience, if you pick a car then search as most* cars will have some fault in them. I remember the Mondeo was a 08 hatch back, it it was raining and you opened the boot the water used to gather and it would soak you :-)

colm_mcm

Worth remembering that a first generation Qashqai would have got no stars in the 2021 NCAP standards.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118948422#Comment_118948422

Below are the results. Not taking into consideration the pedestrian or the safety assists. Make of them what you want.

You can't make a statement like that about the Qashqai because it hasn't been tested

Qashqai 2014

Adult occupancy: 88%

Child occupancy: 83%

Qashqai 2021

Adult occupancy: 91%

Child occupancy: 91%

Dacia Jogger

Adult occupancy: 70%

Child occupancy: 69%

Ford SMAX 2015

Adult occupancy: 87%

Child occupancy: 87%

colm_mcm

The tests are completely different, that’s the point. A 2021 and a 2012 Qashqai are worlds apart from each other.

Even a 2012 and 2014 Qashqai are completely different models, the OPs car is the 2007 shape.

Not saying safety isn’t important, but some perspective needed sometimes.

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242140/moving-on-from-nissan-qashqai-2

I am also in the market for a car, (currently in a Citroën Berlingo, and (like you) the choice is either a new Daccia Jogger when it come out, or one of the two cars you mention.

I used to do 70km a day in and out of to work, but the whole WFH put an end to that. I assume we trickle back to work over the next few months.

Given they then to raise the requirements for NCAP almost yearly, perhaps a 2022 1 star would rate well eneough against a 2016 3/4 star model.

History Queen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118954135#Comment_118954135

Have you driven a Jogger yet? In my eyes at least, it was a surprisingly nice drive and the third row is spacious legroom wise, compared to my Qashqai anyway.

How do you like your Citroen? They're a brand I know very little about but the few people I know with them seem to hold on to them for years, only one of them has a Grand Picasso though.

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118954154#Comment_118954154

I really like Citroën, loads of room and a nice comfortable driving position. The rear sliding doors are very handy.

I did manage to get a test drive in a Jogger the other week, and it was good. I really like the reversing camera and it's now on my list of "must haves".

photosmart

Be interesting to see the price on those Joggers when they actually come out en masse say January 2023. Advertised as just shy of 24k for the basic model but by the time you go mid spec with metallic etc they are closer to 27k and this is with the cheapest petrol engine as they don't offer a diesel which are generally 2k more. Although they are still cheap by the standards of other 7 seat cars they are no longer a genuine budget option at least not here in Ireland where we get to pay extra cos we're special. With inflation high and getting higher I wouldn't be surprised to see the mid spec comfort model at 30k by January - hardly budget territory. For comparison I note that a 2 year old grand scenic diesel could be had for 19.5k two years ago but same car is now closer to 25k. All prices are heading up!

colm_mcm

There’s approx €3k premium in Ireland for a Jogger outside of Vat and VRT differences. They’re still a relative bargain in a world of the €30k base model Golf 1.0

photosmart

Agreed - it is indeed a "relative" bargain but its a bit disappointing that Dacia have now got in on the act of fleecing their Irish customers -

their offering was much closer to European or UK prices when they started and then they realised that the Irish are a captive market

with little or no choices.

colm_mcm

I think the only car they sold at a knockdown price here was the Logan MCV

The Sandero started at €9995 here and £5995 in the UK and €6995 in Germany

The margins on Dacias for dealers were pretty horrendous too to be fair, and it has to be worth the distributors and dealers time selling them when they’re already cannibalising Renault sales.

History Queen

Thanks everyone, just to update I ended up going with a Citroën C4 Grand Picasso. Really impressed with it so far. Lovely drive. Comfortable place to sit and a couple of nice extras that make it feel like a step up from my Qashqai. More economical to drive. Most importantly, the space available in it is enormous compared to what I had.

Thanks again