Fencing

brownswiss

Hi. Looking for recommendations on fence posts . I intend to permanently split a few of my larger fields with sheep wire . Recently I have been using creosote posts from the local co op. Think they came from Cavan . They are loosing their dark colour very quickly ( a bit like the head on the last Suffolk ram we bought ). Any recommendations on best value posts would be appreciated. I use 6' x 4" posts and drive them with a pot . Do you think the price hike in posts is permanent ?

893bet

I have used PDM and Octobthe last 2 years. Pulled some 5 foot octo out of a wet corner to replace with 6 foot ones and the 5 foot ones seem good as new (maybe 5 years old?).

Not impressed wiTh the treatment penetration of at least 1 of the octo strainers. One of them exploded right down the centre as it met a rock I assume while being driven by a track machine.

Images below of what I am talking about……. That said they seem a far better post to me that PDM as they are slower grown and seem denser/harder as a result.

cute geoge

what about plastic ones from clqre made from recycled bale plastic

Gudstock

FRS doing both creosote and octo poles, any reviews on their ones? Fed up with using so called long-life poles that are rotten after just a few years.

kollegeknight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118938834#Comment_118938834

Anyone I know that use them, drill first as it’s difficult to drive.

k mac

Has the price of stakes gone up along with everything else recently I know timber for building has increased so pressure its the same for fence posts

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118939919#Comment_118939919

Yeah, I bought a few last week, standard 4 inch roughs gone up by about 25% or €1, strainers gone up by €5

DBK1

€3.80 plus vat for larch 5 foot 4" pressure treated roughs from Flaherty's in Kinnitty, Co. Offaly last week. Just checked the docket from the last time I bought them which was June 2020 and they were €3.25 plus vat then.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242077/fencing

A friend sticks the water troughs out in the middle if the field. He gets 3-4 posts driven at the corners of the water tank and works back to the ditches with pigtails and string. You will get away with two on the diagonal corner his own recommendations is three minimum.

Two at either corner where ballcock is connected and one straight in front.

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You use pigtails and string to then bring them back to the field boundary. You could add 4 more stakes. He thinks if he was doing it again he would drive 3-4 more to work the diagonals where he comes off.

k mac

Anyone priced any fencing lately for sheep wire and i row of mains on top i think i paid 5.50 a metre supply and erect about 2 years ago

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946532#Comment_118946532

Would like to know same myself as have a TAMs application in. Sounds very reasonable even then. What kind of posts and wire?

Tileman

I got prices about 7€ end of last year to grant spec. It’s probably gone up another 0.50cents a meter since then

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946954#Comment_118946954

Plus or including VAT Tileman? Creosote posts I presume?

James2022

Bought a bunch of strainers and couldn't believe the price increase. Bad time to be doing a lot of fencing.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118947443#Comment_118947443

How much a strainer?

Tileman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946954#Comment_118946954

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118947429#Comment_118947429

yea plus vat. They were for creosote stakes. Fairly straight runs. About 700m. I decided not to do it in end. Was grant job but was building shed at same time and that went over budget so didn’t go ahead with fencing.

bought a pile of almost new sheep wire on done deal and will fence it myself. Will work out a good bit cheaper.

brownswiss

I opted for 3" Octo creosote posts €7.29 ( I think ) from homeland. I have never used such a light post. It is a straight run. I will stick in a few PDM 4", possibly every 25 metres . It will be difficult to keep farms ticking over as the price increases of our inputs is insane. I priced Roundup today and I thought he was joking when he quoted me

blue5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058106631/timber-prices

Someone is laughing all the way to the bank, a timber grower over on the forestry page got €13 a ton for stake wood.

Now I know there is a fair bit of work involved in taking a tree growing in a forest to having a creosoted stake in a fence, but they are getting well paid for it. There should be a bit of scope to cut out a few middle men if one farmer is growing a stake and another farmer is driving it into the ground.

Sami23

What are people paying for good 6' creosote stakes at the minute.

Local stockist is currently out of stock.

He only has 5' at €5.50 per stake.

Tia

blue5000

Around €8, but that was a few months back. I’m hearing €30 for a strainer, at that price concrete single slats and a digger to dig a hole for them might be better value. Make sure you get the vat back on the stakes.

Count Mondego

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118978042#Comment_118978042

McNamara's are charging about 11 euro for a 6ft, four inch diameter stake.

Sami23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118978581#Comment_118978581

FFS

Stationmaster

Is there still grants available for fencing?

Count Mondego

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118978581#Comment_118978581

I want about 200 stakes for fencing in the new year. Rang these lads and asked for the current price. 15 fu$king quid a stake! Taking the piss.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118985659#Comment_118985659

Sheep fencing only AFAIK

jfh

I have a load of fence poles to replace, some of these are in 7 years, I was thinking of using clipex in between the wooden ones, advantage is I don't need anyone to drive them, can do it myself, and done similar?

Bass Reeves

I am using them at the moment to fence a farm. They are grand. I hace used both timber and clipex strainers as well. The clipex strainers are grand for short runs but you need wooden ones for longer runs.

I am doing it to Tams spec. A clipex strainer is 40+ euro grant spec timber ones about 22-30 euro. I got I think Woodfarm for 24 Inc vat

I was told about 1-2 issues, briars touching the wire and a clipex pole will cause an earth issue.

I definitely will use the clipex for replacement of intermediate posts in a lot of places from now on.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122732322#Comment_122732322

Would they be easily pushed over Bass in softer ground/this time of year?

StoutPost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122732436#Comment_122732436

A Government agency used them in bog, a cow scratched her arse on a post and pushed the fence over.

Don't use steel in bog or near the sea, manufacturers won't stand over the guarantee.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122732436#Comment_122732436

There very easy to drive, can do it one handed quite easily.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122732436#Comment_122732436

Depends in the soft ground. TAMS spec is 6' posts you can drive them 30 inches. Even on soft ground you can tend to be into something hard at that stage. Have used 5' rebars on soft ground ( timber posts even really good ones only last 7-10 years at the most) and it works away. Most important thing with electric fences is a good shock.

White Clover

The Creosote posts from PDM were good posts. I drove the first of them in 2008 and they're perfect still. Not one of them has failed yet. Of course they're banned now.

Bass Reeves

@endainoz

I suspect you are driving the 5' eco posts. The 6' start to get tricky after 15-18 inches. Have to make holes with a bar and it still can be 20+ belts of the sledge by the son he is 30 years of age and is 6'4" and a strong lad.

Cannot get a petrol driver off clipex in Ennis two on hire longterm to contractors and the other one went missing when being g returned by a courier. Really p!used off with tgem at present. It's going on over 6 weeks now

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122734744#Comment_122734744

Could they be driven with a normal pounder if you were gentle with it?

RockOrBog

I'm making up 6ft concrete fence posts in my spare time, I make batches of 8. I think they are €18 to buy in either of my two closest places, I reckon I'm making them for €6 each.

older by the day

A cute fella near me fenced all around his land with the plastic posts lately. He don't make many mistakes. They must not be far off good creosote posts in price.

For a permanent job it's easy enough to find old esb, telecom poles and stick them in every 2nd or 3rd post.

I know lads who make there own concrete posts, homemade shutters and the tractor mixer. You would be surprised what you could do on a wet day.

Myself I go cheap, get about 5 years and replace the odd one every year.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122734744#Comment_122734744

PPhoned them a number of times ,left my number no call back. Also filled the form they have with my requirements, they never replied.Will have to ring the mobile number eventually

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122734942#Comment_122734942

I presume a normal pounder is a hand post driver ( the tube with two handles) you can but the sledge is faster. You can get a tube to protect them when driving, we got one in a pallet deal.

It works well with the sledge, as well you can hold it to srive the post to go straighter. The sleeve is about 3' long. We are using a fiberglass handled sledge. You could not really use a post driver as if you hit a stone you could bend the pole.

We drove about 45 today in three and a half hours. However you would drive them much faster with the petrol driver and you can drive the steel strainers as well. You will not drive the strainers with a sledge or manual post driver unless you are in soft ground. They have to go 3' deep.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735031#Comment_122735031

I gone from punishment, I got approved for the TAMS fencing made home made .kerbs years ago.TAMS fencing is a fairly good grant if you are doing some if the work yourself

.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735178#Comment_122735178

.I filled put the form and got a price back straight away. However I went out to do the deal but I was less than an hour away.

50HX

Clipex is the way to go.

Using them to replace timber post with the last few years, not a massive expense when buying that many every year

More cost effective now since timber increased few years back

Esb, phone poles for strainers.

Ratchet strainer at one end & it's no bother to loosen wire & walk it out, free run then for hedge cutter

I use the sleeve that came with them as a post driver when ground is soft.

Will be replacing another batch now between here & end if year

visatorro

You could not really use a post driver as if you hit a stone you could bend the pole.

I drove 20 with the post driver. Basically just let the weight down on it. Maybe lifted it an inch and tapped a couple of times. Worked grand. Except for the one I bent! Put in ten along a river with the sledge, wet ground. No bother at all.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735686#Comment_122735686

I used the post drive sleeve myself seems to work well and always has the posts at the proper height so they all look uniform. I used my regular two handled post driver to put down the metal strainers, I was definitely a struggle but just about managed it. I'm not on particularly soft ground either though it wouldn't be rock hard either.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122734744#Comment_122734744

Yeah I used 5ft eco posts, don't think there was a need to go any bigger with good strainers. I'm very happy with them in general anyway, too much money spent on timber posts that don't last anymore.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736207#Comment_122736207

Ya we have driven sone with the two handed post driver as well for a few strainers in soft area's but it impossible to drive by hand on better ground.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736302#Comment_122736302

I must be in a bog and didn't realise it so

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736314#Comment_122736314

In 6-8 weeks time it might be different as ground gets sifter, we got an exceptionally dry summer and September as well.

I had a tractor post driver in driving some of the strainers a month ago it failed to drive some of the steel strainers more than 20 inches

Tileman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736407#Comment_122736407

I was the sane a month ago. I had to quit the job as could not get done strainers in more than 18 inches.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735593#Comment_122735593

Ii must have made a mistake so. Maybe for some reason it didnt submit.

MIKEKC

The Clipex strainer seems weak for sheep wire.A 4inch galvanise pipe in concrete would seem a better bet .Must price length of galvanise. It would give 3 strainers.

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735031#Comment_122735031

Do you put steel in and what type of mix

RockOrBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752058#Comment_122752058

Half inch bar in each post, the mix would be around 5 or 6 to 1

Sami23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736194#Comment_122736194

Do ye not find the top of the Clipex posts and more importantly the top fastening clip gets damaged from driving them sometimes.

I wish they kept the top clip down a further 10mm on them for this reason.

Other than that find them very good.