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Hate Crime

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  • #2
    yerwanthere123
    Registered Users, Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,275 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    The Sligo murder is chilling. I admittedly don't know the full facts yet, but it's very much looking like he met a guy on Grindr/Tinder and this was the result. Shades of the Stephen Port murders. Poor man, may he RIP.

    Post edited by yerwanthere123 on


  • #3
    Ten of Swords
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    ILGA have constantly called out the government for not properly addressing hate crime in Ireland, every single year :(

    Their 2021 rainbow report ILGA made 2 recommendations

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    https://www.rainbow-europe.org/#8639/0/0

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  • #4
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118918632#Comment_118918632

    That seems to be whats being implied.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #5
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Escalation of events with another murder victim in Sligo found last night, but thankfully an arrest has been made.

    RTE seem to be implying there's a link between both deaths.

    Man arrested after body discovered in Sligo house (rte.ie)



  • #6
    LineOfBeauty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    A horrible week. The attack on the rugby player outside the George and 2 murders in Sligo. Ireland is a wonderful place to live, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but it's so clear in the last 10 years there's a shift in tone as to how we discuss hate crimes. It starts at the most basic level, an acceptance that we are allowed to be apart of society, and to me that begins with tolerating agenda-skewed questions on radio talkshows and hate-filled articles in mainstream publications. It's how social media is policed and how it's policies are enforced. And then it's how willing society is to put up with clear hate crimes because the tolerance for ripping down Pride flags only emboldens those who would like to go further to hurt and kill LGBTQ+ people.

    It's great and wonderful that, by and large, we can live our lives openly and freely in this country. But to me there's no question at all that the more comfortable we've become in being ourselves over the last 10 years, it has had the effect of making those on the opposite side more open in their hatred. You stamp out hate at it's very root.



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  • #7
    Annasopra
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    I think its more in the last 6 years there has been a shift in attitudes ably assisted internationally by many such as Trump, Johnson, Orban and Putin.

    Those who were slightly intolerant of us in Ireland before are no longer afraid to show their intolerances and now its outright abusive hate.

    We can see lots of other things going on in the mix here too; Gemma O'Dohertys rise. Roderic O'Gorman being labelled a paedophile, homophobic abuse outside Leo Varadkars home, Transphobic vitriolic hate at some of the Yellow Vest rallies, the TENI CEO leaving Ireland because of constant harassment and death threats, The so called "lgb alliance" (transphobic hate group) campaigning to remove homophobic/transphobic bullying campaign material from schools, burning and ripping down pride flags, transphobic stickers all over abusive. Disgusting transphobic letters to the Irish Times.....

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #8
    Annasopra
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    I understand that some vigils will be organised around Ireland in response to recent homophobic attack in Dublin and alleged hate crimes in Sligo

    Limerick Vigil will be Monday 18th

    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/789541/vigil-to-be-held-in-limerick-for-murdered-sligo-men.html

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #9
    Annasopra
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    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #10
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,742 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cork 2019


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-40822053.html


    A key witness in the trial, Kathleen O'Brien, said that Mr Hourihane "was killed for no other reason than he was gay".


    Ms O’Brien said that she threw herself over Mr Hourihane, trying to protect him from a vicious attack in which she said both Brady and another man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, repeatedly stamped on his head.


    Although Dr Margot Bolster, the State pathologist, mentioned no evidence of injury to the groin in her autopsy report, Ms O'Brien said that Brady had opened Mr Hourihane’s legs and said to the other man, "Go on, kick him, he’s only a ****".

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #11
    mr.anonymous
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    Man set to be charged in Sligo District Court at 16.45 today.

    Such a sad few days. I've thought about the tragedy a lot.



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  • #12
    Annasopra
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    So so touching and moving to see all the vigils this evening.

    https://twitter.com/GloriaLGBTChoir/status/1515041531765432323?t=0TrARiSWWOy8fRCXVTDGSg&s=19


    https://twitter.com/RazanIRL/status/1515024669027483653?t=39rjJ85HkFKarcx6XP19nQ&s=19


    https://twitter.com/GloriaLGBTChoir/status/1515039876802035716?t=o6HzO61weVmZoxuonZKnxQ&s=19


    Post edited by Annasopra on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #13
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,742 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Another incident in Dublin yesterday. So terrible.


    https://gcn.ie/lesbian-couple-victim-vicious-homophobic-attack-dublin/


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #14
    AllForIt
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    I'm wondering why there is no description of the assailant, same for the Dame St incident.



  • #15
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119080996#Comment_119080996

    No thoughts, sympathy, empathy at all with the victims more thinking that theres an angle on who the perpetrator is.

    🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #16
    Annasopra
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    It seems LGBT equality is going backwards in Ireland

    https://gcn.ie/queer-victim-attack-dublin/

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #17
    AllForIt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119174289#Comment_119174289

    No physical description of the perpetrators? Said in the article it was 'a man and a woman'.Why nothing more descriptive than that? Surely we need a photofit of these scumbags?

    Post edited by AllForIt on


  • #18
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119178051#Comment_119178051

    Sounds to me like you care more about the perpetrators skin colour and religion than the victim

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #19
    SourSessions
    Registered Users Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭SourSessions


    Has this been retracted?



  • #20
    pleasant Co.
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180771#Comment_119180771

    Yes, looks like someone jumped the gun in reporting before verifying, here's GCN's statement.

    https://twitter.com/GCNmag/status/1534928686390059009




  • #21
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,265 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119081860#Comment_119081860

    I'm not going to express any sympathy for something I don't even know occurred.



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  • #22
    AllForIt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119182692#Comment_119182692

    I'm afraid that statement is not good enough.

    How on earth are we to believe reports from them of homophobic attacks in future.

    They have to explain in detail how this happened, otherwise they are not credible.



  • #23
    Ten of Swords
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    Their phone number and email address is on their website


    Let us know how you get on

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  • #24
    AllForIt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119186361#Comment_119186361

    Gay people are not living 'in fear of their lives' in Ireland as stated in GCN.

    Oh and btw, stop deleting my posts in this forum.



  • #25
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119186275#Comment_119186275


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119186756#Comment_119186756

    It seems like you have a weird agenda consisting of denying hate crime against LGBT people, if it did happen blaming it all on immigrants and muslims and then deciding even though you dont live in the country to appoint yourself as a spokesperson for gay people in Ieland. Noted that you dont seem to acknowledge LBT seem to exist.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #26
    Ten of Swords
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    Mod - Off topic posts have been deleted, keep the discussion on topic please which is hate crimes against LGBT people in Ireland

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  • #27
    Astartes
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    Isn't murder and assault already a crime?



  • #28
    Liberty_Bear
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119187630#Comment_119187630

    Motive though is the amplifying factor, eg racism, homophobia



  • #29
    Astartes
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭Astartes


    So? A crime is a crime, no?


    Instead of Hate Crime how about Super Crime? Or Super Duper Crime? Surely you'll get the folks on board with such linguistics



  • #30
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119190583#Comment_119190583

    clearly a crime is not a crime. otherwise we wouldn't have different penalties for different crimes. Assaults and murders prompted by hatred should be treated more severely than crime that are not.



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  • #31
    Annasopra
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    Another attack verified by Gardai 😢

    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/06/28/dublin-pride-attack-lgbtq/


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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