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Housing Crisis - Your Take

  • 24-03-2022 9:29am
    Posts: 61 ✭✭ [Deleted User]

    What is your idea to solve the housing crisis without driving up the costs beyond the current level which is already out of the reach of many working people?


    For example David McWilliams suggests that as we can borrow money from Europe cheaply that we (Ireland) should borrow what we need and build a load of houses basically overnight.

    I can't see how this would work as there is already a skills shortage in the construction industry so the costs would have to increase dramatically.


    It is hard to know how many vacant properties (not holiday homes) there are in Ireland that are of a good enough standard for people to live in without substantial refurbishment required.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭ manonboard

    I think one useful strategy would be to offer tax incentives to newly qualified or graduated entrants to the market so that we encourage a higher uptake of employment into the sector. A skills shortage needs to solved long term and that often means directing education or career goals into that market. Subsidizing training courses with lucrative outcomes. The more employment we push into that sector, the more competition. Of course, this only solves the man power issue, not the regulation or material costs or planning costs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    mcwilliams is right in many ways, the only way out of this is public borrowing, but to make sure this money is used in actual building, not using it to push up prices further, rates are at record lows, central banks are currently stuck in a low rate environment, with little abilities to raise rates, so crack on with the borrowing....

    we will also need private sector developers/builders on board, as we ll need them to actually do the building, as the state no longer has the abilities to build, but strict conditions would need to be agreed, such as no excess profits, they clearly need to profit from building, but.....

    protective measures will need to be implemented, in order to protect these developers from unpredictable outcomes such as inflation, they must be protected from going bust....

    it makes sense to collectively accumulate resources including finances, to secure materials supplies, its mutually beneficial that building is done, and as many businesses survive doing so....

    oh and mcwilliams is dead right on our whole approach to building, ours is diabolical, we should be doing what other countries do in regards training, create proper respected training faculties and pay participants appropriately

    ....will any of this be done, probably not.....

  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion

    There is a total disconnect between the government shouting about how they are trying to solve the housing crises and the total lethargy of the councils and planning departments. You'll see it in the planning sections of any paper, all the major housing projects keep getting bounced back for further information, shoved off to ABP, etc - there is a complete failure to process planning in a timely and fair manner that kills a lot of housing projects and all these costs get passed onto the final buyer.

    Councils generally are consistently failing in their responsibilities to service new large housing developments with adequate roads, public transport, schools, parks etc Same with new large office projects, they give the planning and then never think about where all those workers are going to live.

    Planning boundary zones are totally in the control of the local councils, they could pick the outside boundary of any major commuter town, talk to the owner of the farmland, offer them 80k per acre for 20 acres, rezone that whole land to residential, do a part 8 planning for as many serviced sites as you can fit, council hires a civils contractor to do roads, lighting & utilities, councils places ad in local paper offering to sell sites to first time buyers who meet certain criteria of income and commuting distances at an affordable price of whatever it takes the council to break even, say €40k depending on site size, people are allocated sites from the road entrance, anyone not building on the site within 3 years has to hand it back to the council so you don't end up with a ghost estate. You are basically facilitating working families to build their own home at an affordable cost which is where government policy should be focused instead of giving new houses to people who could never have afforded one.

    Basically I think the various government departments, councils, OPW, etc could be doing MUCH more and you can clearly see it in what the likes of Tuath, Respond etc are doing with government money

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    the whole public housing system has been undermined for decades now to the point it no longer is capable of doing its job, this may never change...

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭ Diemos

    Or we could change Irish mammy's attitude that little Johnny must go to college and anything else is beneath them.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    the issues of our training and educational system are far more complicated than the opinions of some mammy and daddys, the whole system is academically biased!

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    The first thing needs doing is political will to resolve housing... its not there. I know i guy under 30 carpentry contractor... couple of months ago got maintenance job with HSE... fixing locks etc... waste of talent... i know of at least 10 build trade people who work with HSE mostly porters i think as i never asked...

  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion

    I don't buy into this argument, we have loads of architects, engineers and quantity surveyors on the government payroll all around the country and a government promising a near blank cheque for new housing, the problem is the public sector staff just want to manage the work of private sector consultants instead of doing a hard days work.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    theres no question there is complete an utter waste of resources going on in the public domain, but we truly need to get over this idea that the private sector is far more superior and efficient, theres plenty of evidence to support this isnt true, both sectors experience these issues, in fact, many private sectors are worse than public sectors. the undermining our our public sector has been a fundamental part of modern political and economic ideologies, most developed counties are experiencing the same problem, we need to urgently change this, or these issues are simply just going to deteriorate further, we have empowered particular sectors, particularly the fire sectors during this period, and it has failed. its time for us to be adults and admit these failures!

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭ Flinty997

    Public sector implements govt policy. The tail does not wag the dog.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    Has anyone any idea what Government policy is regarding housing...

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭ Flinty997

    There is what they say and what they actually do.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭ rob316

    Watch this refugee crisis and see all the solutions that will be put into action that weren't possible before. If the will is there to solve it, it can be done. The government has fueled the crisis by bringing in demand measures like HTB and shared equity. You have to address supply, its the most basic principle supply and demand. We have a constrained supply and the government just keep creating a bigger buying pool with free money, pushing up prices further.

    For one there should be a massive crackdown on vacant property, not a measily charge. Something that will have the landlord running to the auctioneer.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    again, theres nothing basic about the so called laws of economics, yes we have been suffering from a serious supply problem, but this was brought to our attention during the previous crash, but our political and state bodies have been severally disempowered to do anything about this, at nearly all stages, including financially. theres very little free money as such in circulation, all money begins its life as debt, only we have confined debt forgiveness towards more wealthier entities in society, large corporations etc, and enforced debt repayments else where, in particular in the public domain.....

  • Registered Users Posts: 850 ✭✭✭ Viscount Aggro

    News article in todays

    ‘The demand for apartments is only from one customer – that’s institutions. There’s no private demand out there, there’s no State demand out there’

  • Registered Users Posts: 392 ✭✭ HerrKapitan

    All they have to do is unsubscribe from the WEF reset plan. That would be the start we would need.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭ Flinty997

    If a property is not viable to sell or rent. A charge will do nothing to fix whatever is causing that.

    This problem started with social and affordable housing then spread to the rest of the market from there.

    Its someone or institutions with deep pockets keeping properties vacant and its mainly at the top end of the market. If you free up these apartments, they aren't affordable for anyone to buy anyway. The vacant stuff at the low end is often already in local authority ownership. They are unlikely to fine themselves for that.

  • Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭ Ham_Sandwich

    Sinn Fein will look after us we just need to vote them in.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    they ll try to change things, but they ll struggle, and may only be able to change little during their term, these issues will absolutely not be resolved in a single term, and they may only get a single term, so........

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_maxx

    Stop demonising landlords, entice more in ,make it easier to evict rogue tension

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    Sinn Fein are in a funny old predicament.

    If they get into government they are ruined.

    They cannot fix anything, especially they way they have said they will go about it.

    In fact if they follow their own stated strategy they will cause untold damage to an already fragile system.

    They obviously know this but cannot publicly state it. So now they are sitting in their offices, sucking off the government tit and wondering how on earth are they going get out of actually having to govern after the next election.

    So with the other parties being so bad. They got out of it the last time by pretending they made a mistake with their vote management. They cant pull that one again.

    They are a party that will thrive in opposition, but hand them the reigns and we are all fcuked - including them.

    Government in Ireland is actually a hot potato right now. I dont think anyone wants it really.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    both entities are being undermined, in order to implement policies for eviction, alternative accommodations would also need to be implemented, neither are currently possible......

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_maxx

    You act the maggot, you don't deserve accomodation

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭ BailMeOut

    Whenever there is a huge demand for any service or product the 'market' always reacts and fills the gap. Lots of people want homes and there is no supply so that's a gap that you would think would naturally be filled.

    We need to ask why this is not happening and fix that but the answer is probably very complex. It has nothing to do with money as there is plenty of this (to develop and build) so has to do with BS, planning, margins, regulations, skills, taxes, etc... i.e. it's obviously not an attractive prospect building in this country.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    I propose the solution that you build a huge estate (lets call it happyville) as cheap as you can somewhere far away from the services that the normal law abiding population need more. Then that new estate is where anyone who gets evicted form a home anywhere else in the country gets housed. They dont get offered a choice of anywhere else that they have been housed.

    Also a register of anti-social people who have been evicted so no other landlord makes the mistake of renting to them again.

    so if if falls on the council to house you because noone else will touch you, you get housed in happyville.

    Let them have neighbors like themselves and see how they like it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    I think you have it wrong. There actually is no money for it. To get the money for it you have to put your hand in the middle income workers pocket with higher taxes. There just isnt the money in those pockets anymore. They are all trying to pay rent and buy houses, while the government are using the traxes they pay to compete against them for said property.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,897 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    The party that backed ‘birthright citizenship’. .? No….The opposite is the case if Sinn Fein get in… the housing and social crises in this country will be multiplied beyond comprehensive ability but it would get them votes which is their modus operandi…

  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion

    They'll get into power and do the only thing they are good at - blame FF & FG

    It was hilarious after the last election when FF & FG left SF off for ages to do some deals with minor parties and independents to form a government only for SF to spend most of that time crying about FF & FG for not going into coalition with them even though SF had spent the whole election saying how FF & FG were a bunch of useless idiots 😄

    There is a massive difference between private housing developers and councils developing social housing, ive worked with both and the councils are a disaster as they have no motivation to push projects along and the upper/middle management sign off on project phases and budgets takes months, its a total joke when they have bypassed planning with Part 8 to "fast track" housing.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,547 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    the government will probably claim it's unconstitutional, but we can have a referendum for it - any property which has been derelict for more than X number of years should be seized, made safe by the local authority, and sold at auction. if the 'rightful' owner comes looking for it, they get the proceeds from the auction minus the costs to the local authority.

    it certainly won't solve the housing crisis overnight, but it's ludicrous how some property is allowed rot. i moved into a house a few hundred metres from these houses in 2003, and they were derelict back then. the council had to step in several times to make them safe, so they're a drain on the taxpayer:,-6.2743212,3a,75y,177.68h,89.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sad3EwXHPSq5pQArbQRK-uQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192