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Saudi Arabia breaks world beheading record, UN human rights chief not happy

  • 16-03-2022 5:21am
    Registered Users Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭ BalcombeSt4

    Saudi Arabia, NATO's best ally in the Middle East along with Israel, broke ISIS's records and beheaded 81 people in a single day, which is just absolute sadistic savagery, this country is run by a bunch of serial killers. I guess these are the guys we'll be getting our oil from now?

    "The UN human rights chief has condemned the beheading of 81 people by Saudi Arabia during the course of a single day, charged with terrorism-related offences."

    I'm happy people are helping Ukrainian refugees & a huge amount of them are children, and we should be helping no matter what your political views are, its the right thing to do, but also save a thought for the 10,000+ children killed or injured in Yemen since the Saudi invasion of Yemen in 2015.

    "More than 10,200 children have been killed or injured since the Saudi-led coalition intervened in 2015, the UN agency said."

    "At least 47 children were “killed or maimed” in Yemen’s civil war in January and February following a surge in violence, the United Nations children’s fund said on Saturday.

    Children are the “first and most to suffer”, UNICEF said, adding that at least 10,000 minors have been killed or injured since 2015, when the Saudi-led military alliance launched air raids in the Middle East’s poorest country."



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,258 ✭✭✭ SouthWesterly

    17000 killed during the 10 months of the French revolution

    247 killed on Christmas day in 1793. So much for civilised Europeans

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭ Multipass

    It’s a shocking headline, but worth mentioning that China has by far the highest death penalty rate, and they use firing squad and lethal injection. Beheading is a quicker death.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭ smurfjed

    Saudi Arabia is actively changing its legal system, they will define crimes and punishments rather than leaving them to the interpretation of each judge, this however will not change any law and associated sentence that is defined in the Koran, so no death sentence for drugs. But if you murder someone, you will be sentenced to death.

    @wibbs “but they're not beheading people in the street as a cultural thing and as a function of modern law, they have labour laws against trafficking and slavery(the Saudi kip only banned slavery in law in the 1960's) and women can drive without a male family member in the car and don't have to cover themselves from head to toe to avoid getting a beating from religious police.”

    1: They abolished slavery 30 years after they became a country, how long did it take the USA and Europe?

    2: Check the present status about their actions on human trafficking.

    3: Women don’t need anyone sitting beside them in a car.

    4: what is the present dress code for women ?

    5: ‘What religious police?

    i find it funny when people call for a country to change, but at the same time they refuse to acknowledge these changes as they are happening.

    ‘Finally, Yemen is in the middle of a civil war, it’s not an invasion. Like any war, there are two sides involved and right now it appears that one side is refusing to come to any negotiating table, although they did finally release the SAFER thereby avoiding an ecological disaster..

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭ Danzy

    They have lots of oil which we need.

    They have been at this since time immemorial.

    It's mandated by their religion and no one is going to change that.

    The 3 reasons it is not newsworthy in the West.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,100 ✭✭✭✭ Ash.J.Williams

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭ smurfjed

    Make it 82, not 81.

    “The Ministry of Interior announces the execution of the death sentence as a punishment for the offender / Bandar bin Ali bin Muhammad Al-Zahrani - a Saudi national - today, Wednesday, in the Makkah region; For killing three of his daughters, aged six, four and two years, by slaying them with a knife.”

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭ smurfjed


    ”The Ministry of Interior implements the death sentence as a punishment for the offender / Hamid bin Safran bin Muqbel Al-Osaimi - Saudi - today in Makkah; For killing his infant son, Rayan, by hitting him in different parts of his body, and causing the death of his wife, Reem bint Hilal Al-Osaimi - Saudi Arabia - by intimidating her and escaping, which led to her running over from a car and her death.”

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,836 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs

    1: They abolished slavery 30 years after they became a country, how long did it take the USA and Europe?

    Stupid comparison. In Europe slavery was outlawed in England from the 12th century and the rest of Europe followed by the 16th centuries. SA only banned it after serious pressure from the USA and the UK. And their human rights aren;t exaclty up to par today. Last time I checked they hadn't even signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    2: Check the present status about their actions on human trafficking.

    Yep, you should.

    3: Women don’t need anyone sitting beside them in a car.

    Yep they allowed women to drive in 2018. How do they regard a woman driving with a man who isn't a relative?

    4: what is the present dress code for women ?

    The official line is the headscarf requirement was relaxed in 2019, but culture and law don't alwayys gel.

    5: ‘What religious police?

    They were a strong force in the nation until 2017 and yes that has improved as their powers have since been massively reduced.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭ smurfjed

    1: And yet we still have the top 10 of 167 countries that still have some form of slavery.

    2: As Human Rights is a varied subject, they have a lot of bases covered.

    3: It isn’t an issue, no religious police to stop and ask their relationship.

    4: Don’t confuse laws with desires. No one is presently forced to cover up, they only have to comply with modest clothing. However, if they personally desire to cover completely, sure that’s their right.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭ Danzy

    Out lawing slavery in the Islamic world was due to Western guns and pressure.

    It was deeply unpopular and viewed as an attack against Islam, which it was.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭ smurfjed

    There are only reports this morning that this statement about yuan/oil was translated incorrectly.

    “This news is written in a wrong way due to a wrong translation. The First Street Journal, which was unique in the news, said: Discussions are to obtain revenue in yuan, not pricing oil in yuan.”

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭ smurfjed

    “Prior to Johnson's visit to Saudi Arabia, the European Union 🇪🇺 announced the classification of the Houthi militia in Yemen 🇾🇪 as a terrorist organization and included it in the blacklist of the European Union, freezing its assets and prohibiting providing it with funding”

    it’s always worth remembering that there are two sides in every war.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭ Danzy

    He certainly deserved it, they might be sending a message to the population as well, that certain behaviours are no longer going to be tolerated in an Arabia that is so dependent on the West for support, defense and for paying it insane money.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭ smurfjed

    True, but to put it in context.

    ”King Faisal had used this combination of respect and royal authority to obtain clerical support when he introduced television, ended slavery, and opened schools for girls—none of which the ulama had initially wanted. In each instance Faisal had compromised; television stations broadcast more sermons than sitcoms, slave owners were well compensated,”

    ‘Some of these “slave” families have continued to work for the same families, generation after generation but as paid employees.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭ bullpost

    Same happened in US and Great Britain when slavery abolished. Owners compensated etc.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭ Shelga

    I consider myself reasonably well informed about current events, and I genuinely didn’t know about SA’s involvement in the Yemen conflict until just now, reading about it. I’m embarrassed to admit that. I thought there was an internal Yemen civil war going on, and that it had led to famine and terrible conditions, but didn’t know much more than that.

    I think it’s a combination of just not looking into it too much, and it barely featuring on the news. Obviously I think Saudi Arabia is a hellhole- a company I worked for years ago wanted to establish a base there, and I had major problems with that at the time. But then, I happily went off to work in China for a few months and make extra money.

    It seems like everywhere you look there are corrupt, violent and barbaric regimes behind most of the countries that we in the west do business with. Of course it has occurred to me that the focus on Ukraine is somewhat biased, but the first major war in Europe in 77 years was always going to generate more headlines.

    It’s all incredibly depressing :(

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭ rock22

    it is worth pointing out what the UN high Commissioner , Ms. Bachelet, had to say about the legal process

    "“Our monitoring indicates that some of those executed were sentenced to death following trials that did not meet fair trial and due process guarantees, and for crimes that did not appear to meet the most serious crimes threshold, as required under international law,” she said."

    She also said

    she understood that 41 were Muslims from the Shiite minority who had taken part in anti-government protests in 2011-12, calling for greater political participation.( i.e. protest ten years ago)

    But the Saudis can rely on their friends in high places for cover for their barbarism