Botox and fillers

Pissy Missy

So I've tried botox and it does very little for my already permanent frown lines unfortunately. I'm based in laois and want to get filler that is cost effective but is done safely and by an experienced professional. Beaumont are highly recommended with the use of doctors/plastic surgeons but their fees are so high. On the other hand, I'd be concerned franchises like the therapie clinic and laser clinic with trained beauticians/nurses wouldn't offer the same safety compared to other services, not trying to dis them but obviously want to avoid a massive error like becoming blind if done incorrectly. Does anyone have any recommendations?

Sugar_Rush

Botox didn't work for frown lines?

Did it freeze the muscle?

As in did it eliminate movement completely but the lines were still present?

Forehead area, therapie clinic etc will normally tell you to see a plastic surgeon for that.

I think they focus more on lips, maybe marionette/nasiolabel lines?

But that may be a stretch....

Pissy Missy

So yes it mostly eliminated movement but line was still present. I've found mixed reviews online wih therapie clinical so would be a bit reluctant going there tbh

Sugar_Rush

Yeah I just mentioned it cause some clinics can underdose slightly.

I get botox also for some forehead lines (I'm a bit of a stress head) and they don't fade until the muscle is properly "iced", zero movement.

May or may not be the case but I have what some Dr's refer to as "static lines", i.e. they're permanent regardless of whether the muscle is relaxed, but with adequately dosed botox, they disappear; with insufficient botox, insufficient results.

Obviously you've done your research cause you're aware of the dangers of filler in that area, which scares the hell out of me personally, but with a good plastic surgeon I'm sure it would be fine.

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792940#Comment_118792940

Thanks so much for responding, can I ask where do you get your botox done? Yeah filler implications are far too serious

Jequ0n

There are many factors that will influence the result so you need to find the right dosage and treatment plan. The injections will also be less effective if you don’t get them done in the recommended intervals. If this wasn’t recommended and followed in the past it is not surprising that you did not get the result you wanted.

Sugar_Rush

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I had a consultation in therapie clinic and some other Dr office in Dublin but I wasn't impressed with what they were telling me, cost per unit and how many units they use.

So not sure if we can say this here but I just do my own.

I'd researched it REAL good before hand and knew for what I was looking for to get results.

Outside of that perhaps it's possible to find an office/Dr that doesn't mind going over and above conventional number of botox units (typically 30 or 40 for forehead, frown lines, crows feet).

Addition: I think the max clinically recommended number of units for the glabellar/frown is 50. That's one entire vial, but most clinics would use less than that for the entire forehead/upper-face.

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118795118#Comment_118795118

Thanks so much sugar, I think I'd be too nervous to do that myself but sounds like you've done your research, fairplay to you

Irish_rat

Have you thought about retinol, I've been using botox too for some vertical lines near the eyes. But I think retinol might do a good help from what I've read.

Another thing is the sleeping position. Sounds crazy but lying on the side can cause quite a lot of lines. I plan to change pillow and see if there is any difference

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119333049#Comment_119333049

Thanks for the suggestions, I've tried retinol and I think because the lines are deep, it does sfa but it's good for my crows feet.

Yeah I've heard that, I sleep on a silk sheeted pillow too as thats meant to help with wrinkles also.

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120170551#Comment_120170551

Thanks but boards is an Irish site, not American

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119333072#Comment_119333072

I sleep on a silk sheeted pillow too as thats meant to help with wrinkles also.

Where'd you buy these?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004014206081.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.5edc5fe1oTDODa&algo_pvid=8a113668-bb49-4774-abe9-349d5900dcaa&algo_exp_id=8a113668-bb49-4774-abe9-349d5900dcaa-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000027741428571%22%7D&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21EUR%215.7%213.19%21%21%21%21%21%40212279b716769772738523734d0713%2112000027741428571%21sea%21IE%211931325425&curPageLogUid=k2WI2ZBKzoxS

Was looking at these on aliexpress, they look dope.

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269186#Comment_120269186

They do look dope

I just buy them when they have them in Dunnes, home store and more, shein and amazon

Airyfairy12

Any doctor or nurse you go to will have received the same training so its not a concern there, just dont go to a beautician or someone not qualified to administer injections. From my experience with friends whove been these injectors, theyre relying on out of date information and dont understand that filler done wrong can migrate over time to different areas of the face, they often still think that filler completely dissolves within 2 years so they overfill not realising that it lasts much longer than that & due to it attracting water as it hyaluronic acid based, less is more when it comes to filler and it should be added in gradually over time instead of pumped in all at once. A doctor or nurse will more than likely have the most up to date information for fillers. Most doctors do them now anyway.

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120281567#Comment_120281567

Absolutely, there's no way I'd let a beautician go near my face with that kind of injection. I go to a dentist for botox. I've never done fillers and probably won't anytime soon with the potential adverse risks.