What's the highest form of art ?

kirk.

For me it's probably poetry

The Epic Novel series. Think Lord of the rings or the Expanse

Edit. Also quite partial to the Renaissance nudie pics

kirk.

I'm thinking maths probably kinda hard to say

Whatever it is it should be brief

spindex

FromADistance

Deception....

Archeron

Burp singing

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735345#Comment_118735345

That is good but you know

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058235941/whats-the-highest-form-of-art

There's not a lot to it though. Assonance, alliteration, a bit of rhyming and that's about it. Anyone can do it really. No wonder it was being considered as one of the learning activities to do away with during the pandemic. I would say music is the highest form of art.

Brid Hegarty

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Except maths isn't art! Why should it be brief?

Manach

Architecture: being a society's public facing statement for the future. Comparing and contrasting the buildings of Rome and Medieval European cathredhals with modern buildings, the late Rodger Scruton lamented the fall from grace of this form of art.

goldenmick

Piss ARTist

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735988#Comment_118735988

Beauty is brevity

What's the point of saying more than you have to

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735970#Comment_118735970

Music certainly has a lot of practitioners that are high. But that's not the same thing.

In practice, as expressed in the form of 'song-writing' and popular music, I'd say music is more like a craft than an art form; minor variations on well-established themes is more than enough to satisfy the audience. Nothing high minded about it. Since it's so formulaic, there are few real demands on creativity. This is why young children can be accomplished musicians.

Not sure of the utility of high art/low art distinctions anyway. There is art that works for you and art that doesn't. No need to generalize. Art is a form of communication, not a form of competition.

kirk.

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Beauty isn't arguing

Donald Trump

Government artist.

Plenty of those around

(The lads that draw the dole)

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Maths has aesthetic qualities.. elegance, proportion, style, saying a lot with a little. And at the top end, it requires creativity.

kirk.

Math is up there

I reckon it's a tossup between writing and maths

2 sides of the same coin really

kirk.

Sculpture and architecture is a good call

dasdog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibanLlREjTk

Gregor Samsa

Photography, for sure. About 384,400 km high.

clobber

Conartistry

Gant21

Drawing mickeys on back of cornflake boxes

thehairygrape

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058235941/whats-the-highest-form-of-art

In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite. Paul Dirac.

I’m in the maths camp.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118737020#Comment_118737020

I read his book ' Principles of quantum mechanics ' ,for the crack years ago

I had no idea what he was talking about but that was kinda my point

buckwheat

Quote from Eric Cantona which I wholeheartedly agree with

An artist in my eyes, is someone who can lighten up a dark room. I have never and will never find difference between the pass from Pele to Carlos Alberto in the final of the World Cup in 1970 and the poetry of the young Rimbaud, who stretches cords from steeple to steeple and garlands from window to window. There is in each of these human manifestations an expression of beauty which touches us and gives us a feeling of eternity. 

Temptamperu

I believe its Don Conroy on the den back in the day

Tony EH

Painting.

Dance.

Larbre34

Those that have said architecture, are right.

It is man's most visible, most tactile, most interactive, most enduring legacy.

Tell me how

Just my take, but I would say that Maths isn't art. It's widely respected, and impressive, but it isn't art. It's a language to explain/understand the world we live in (and beyond it) and has to conform to various in order to be considered valid. But isn't something that is created purely from an artists imagination.

According to Google, there's 7 forms of art; Painting, Sculpture, Literature, Architecture, Cinema, Music, Theater. I'm surprised to see Architecture in there, I can understand it in that it is aesthetically pleasing, (but it's primary requirement is to conform to physical constraints and to achieve a particular functionality). If that deserves to be considered art, couldn't other mechanical forms such as car design for example?

I am also curious to see Cinema in there but not Poetry or Singing which I would consider artistic. Would be interested in how Art experts would define what exactly constitutes art and why some elements of artistic expression are considered as such and more aren't. Someone mentioned Dance also which I would consider art.

Tell me how

Personally, my favourite form of art is Theatre, but I don't know if I would say that that means I think that it is the highest form.. I love how there is so much that can influence how any individual show and how it is perceived. The playwright's story, the directors intent, the skillset of the actors and the audiences perception (and engagement) can all influence how any given show is experienced and even watching the same group perform the same play on successive occasions, you can focus on different things entirely and therefore experience it in a different way. One other thing I like about theatre is that the observer can choose what to focus on, in cinema, the director is telling you what to focus on but in a theatre, you can decide to watch the facial expressions or movement of a character who is effectively only an extra in any given moment and yet experience that scene in a different way because of it.

I know the OP selected poetry as possibly being the highest form, maybe it is, I find it incredibly subjective (maybe that is what might make it a contender to be the highest form). Again, how a piece is delivered can significantly impact the experience. I always read Seamus Heaney's 'Mid-term Break' in a slow manner and it resonated with me in a particular way. But then I saw a video of him doing a reading of it and he read it at a quite high tempo which I found changed by perception of the poem significantly. I think with poetry there is much less clarity on what the original creator was trying to convey than with other forms of art and so I personally can't rate it as the highest form because of the interpretation that others have put on it.

~Rebel~

There's not really an answer I think... people are moved by different things, and different versions of different things. I prefer books to paintings, but there are many paintings I prefer over many books. And I probably appreciate a really well made film to both.

Would add a mention for Dance though, for its artistic expression mixed with incredible athleticism and physical ability.

kirk.

Dunno is there a right answer to this

I love the written word , doesn't have to be poetry as long as it's got meaning

Math is amazing, to refine everything down to an equation

I'm thinking architecture and cinema are right up there after reading the thread

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739340#Comment_118739340

But that doesn't make it art does it?

Anything that comes out of an archeological dig could be said to be art if judged by this measure, but they wouldn't necessarily have been created with art in mind.

There are elements of architecture that are certainly artistic, but I wouldn't put it above other forms that are expressively created with artistic expression in mind.

An architect is considering both form and function (or at least they should be).

olestoepoke

I agree with the OP it's probably poetry. I am always fascinated when I watch something or read about the mysterious autonomy that great songwriters experienced when writing great songs. Bob Dylan has said that he doesn't know where the songs came from and whatever it was he doesn't have it today. Shane McGowan, Lennon and McCartney, Joni Mitchel and others have all spoken about this over the years.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739455#Comment_118739455

Ya I'm doubting it's poetry

They used to say that Dirac took his equations out of the sky , and Morrissey how'd he do all that

Although Shane McGowan put a huge amount of effort into writing fairytale of New York .

Seems to be a mix of genius and craft

kirk.

The written word is very like math ,it's power is in brevity

The rest I dunno , Cinema Architecture Sculpture are all great shouts

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739373#Comment_118739373

Art is what I say it is - Marcel Duchamp.

As for classifications, poetry would come under literature, singing under music, and dance under theatre. So they haven't really been left out.

In the case of architecture, it's probably leaning more toward stuff like Gaudi's Sagrada Familia, rather than Jimmy's big gaff down the road. So I'm not really surprised to see it listed there myself.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118736025#Comment_118736025

Gives me the impression you're thinking of all this in terms of poetry. You're obviously not thinking music. In any case, let's not restrict art to any particular confines.

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058235941/whats-the-highest-form-of-art

Poetry is a load of shi*e

Its not that hard to write.

Anyone can write a poem

Sitting on their arse in their own home.

AyeGer

In seriousness though for me it would have to be music as it has such a powerful effect on people. Pure art though would be painting.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740278#Comment_118740278

True ya I've been thinking mostly in terms of maths and words

Probably not expansive enough

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740308#Comment_118740308

When i said poetry I should have said words

Your last line seems to be the opposite of the truth

Wouldn't most Art be created alone , if you have collaborators you're mostly just pushing them in the direction you want to go

kirk.

There usually a genius at the centre of it

looksee

Could we have a definition of 'highest' in this context, please?

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740550#Comment_118740550

The most beautiful

That would be my definition

kirk.

Music is a good call

Power and beauty

Maths and physics though at the genius level is awesome

AllForIt

Art to me is something physical.

So, as already said, paintings I'd put at the top. Sculptures, buildings, architecture second.

edit: there is some beauty in math, logic, but it's not art.

Capt'n Midnight

Quantum Erasure

"This is not a pipe"

kirk.

I think I'm shifting away from the maths is art camp