Housing Madness

Elessar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744444#Comment_118744444

An immediate need for accommodation for an additional 100,000 people is what's new. You don't believe this will have an impact on the market?

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744963#Comment_118744963

Not really, at least in terms of what will happen. The government was already snapping up properties regardless of cost, and most people have already kissed goodbye to home ownership.

sutrapall

Bare minimum start, the foreign REITs should have their papers torn up and told to fook off, to stay fooked off, and thanked for the misery they contributed. Kiss their "assets" goodbye. To hell with consequences when it's already so bad. The handwringing is over.

Everything needs to be investigated after that, who was a part of this housing crisis, who profited, who encouraged, who enabled, who invited, who's related to who, where's the money gone and then go to town. Dig them out of the ground if needs be and put them on display. This has to be so utterly annihilated that it's unthinkable to ever do again. It'll be a long list.

Nothing will make this gameshow of a country more obvious than when the ukrainians start pouring in by the 10's of thousands, and magically housed, when the conspirators of this housing crisis wouldn't do it for Irish people. Scamville.

People better be out on the streets for this one, anything goes style.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118748606#Comment_118748606

Well once you have it all thought out. Breaking EU law and international law are not things you can ignore.

If you think refugees are going to have accommodation suitable for permanent living you are delusional. They are going to be put in temporary accommodation. Last I heard on property they are talking about is an empty hospital on Baggot Street. If you can't grasp that concept and humanitarian efforts you really aren't worth talking to too or listening to.

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118749426#Comment_118749426

Oh they very much are things you can ignore. Stacks of paper versus living reality, one is paramount, the other bureaucracy. Willpower is the difference, and once again points to the crookedness.

As for ukrainians, you'd be a monkeys Uncle if you think the vast majority are going to return home. Watch and see as the war dwindles into the background and everyone "forgets". They'll be housed, and their cousins and grandparents and personal optometrists and what have you afterward, let there be zero doubt. All transformed into more pressure and convenient excuses to keep the housing crisis ticking along nice and profitably.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118749598#Comment_118749598

You can ignore them now but not forever. The country would end up in the courts trying to explain how they seized private property. The country then would have to pay them back along with the punitive damages and fines. You would actually be supporting the government theft from private citizens investments. Would you have an issue with the government taking what you have? What is the point of ignoring something you can't ignore for ever?

I never said refugees would go home after things settle down. I don't expect they all will but most will as it is their home. If you don't think Ireland should adhere to their legal and moral responsibilities that is your issue it is going to happen anyway. I would rather take refugees and kick you out of the country due to your views and intelligence.

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118641826#Comment_118641826

Lol! Lol! Watch realestate4ransom on youtube. It explains why government love rip off property prices...

Cal4567

I think some will stay but as with Poland, many will leave here and return to their home to Ukraine. For every Polish person I have known since 2004, both here and in the UK, about half have returned to Poland, although to be honest, the financial crash accelerated that. Plus the growth in the Polish economy.

Temporary accommodation in hotels and large scale modular being built on fields on the edge of towns if it is to be as many as 100,000. The empty properties to a large extent need works and in many cases significant works, that takes time and labour. Both of those are not easy for us, but some of it is possible.

It would be quite ironic if the State finally had to invest in large scale construction to meet the needs of Ukrainian refugees when it didn't do that for the indigenous population.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744963#Comment_118744963

All these promises whilst well intentioned by government are laudable, its utterly bonkers. Already cracks surfacing and I just don't get were 100k are going to be housed. It's all well and good people being generous offering their Homes or accommodation but these offers are realistically only short term solutions and I'd wager only practical in Urban locations.

I don't have a solution but it seems extraordinary, give the current crisis in housing and indeed health service, the Government making an awful lot of promises they can't fulfill.

generic_throwaway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118749824#Comment_118749824

So when Sinn Fein are in government, they will love them too I guess. SF are just another political party now, right?

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118749932#Comment_118749932

I doubt they will be much or any better. There would need to be drastic intervention and action and with all the vested interests, this is irish governance we are talking about. Backward, nimby gobshitery. Better off leaving the place if the council aren't giving you a free luxury home...

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118749798#Comment_118749798

Change the regulations, ignore the regulations, whatever you like. It can be done, it should have done before now. You're full of excuses, all of which go back maintaining the housing crisis.

You're heavily invested in this housing crisis, aren't you? Of course you are. A glance at the excuses and mental leaps tells you everything.

Fook all of ye that attempt to keep robbing people, fook ye all, ye two-faced bastards. You'll get it in the end.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750260#Comment_118750260

We can't change international law to suit ourselves. You are starting with a impossibility and want another impossibility to apply it. You claim it can be done then tell us how because I am telling you how we can't do it? I am full of reasons why your proposal is stupid not excuses.

Can you tell me what mental leaps I have made. Is it that we agreed to international law and signed up for it? Is it that we have legal responsibilities as EU members for refugees? Make a claim then support it so far you failed to do that.

You going to make me get it? You keep hoping for the revolution where you are the upright person who proposes state theft of property, abandoning refugees and breaking our legal responsibilities. It won't happen and I will still be doing better than you as you rage away refusing to listen to any sense. I'll be a happier person than for sure because here you are in a rage wanting the impossible to happen. I would wish you good luck but I actually don't care what happens to you as you don't seem like a nice person.

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750330#Comment_118750330

"I'll still be doing better than you" you say, when you mean you're invested in maintaining this housing crisis.

You're a great person, I'm sure, so full of confidence in your fellow shaisters that youre in like lightning to defend against anyone correctly pointing out the truth of the matter.

Can't do this, can't do that, this law, that regulation, refugees, commitments this, humanitarian that, excuses excuses excuses excuses to keep it all going.

Of course you'd rather have me out of the country in place of some random rent generator from fook knows where, of course you would. A good hurley is whats needed for the likes of that, traitorous, two-faced, profiteering yokes. Off ye can fook now, happy man, with your bag of excuses.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750438#Comment_118750438

Still notice you can't support your claims. They aren't excuses if they are you can prove that we don't have legal responsibilities and can just ignore them do so. If not you are just making claims I KNOW can't happen. You saying we can just ignore them doesn't make it fact.

I will live my best life while you continue to rage. Are you happy like that? I worked for what I have and you want to take what people have worked for no different from what the English did to Ireland by removing property rights. Some of us are against such things in fact I would say most of the country.

I have done nothing illegal but you are proposing illegal acts and I am the bad guy? What am I doing that is two faced? What are you doing about the housing crisis? You going to batter sense into me is hilarious. I kept people from being homeless. You have done what? I would like the crazy xenophobic people like yourself out of the country because they have a negative value on community and don't contribute. Unless you can teall us all the great things you offer the country? You are cowardly in your responses and refuse to answer questions put to you but I am the bad guy according to you. Don't think many people would agree with that

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750528#Comment_118750528

You quote the English and their attitude to my country during colonisation, then simultaneously speak freely of replacing pesky people like me who call out the farce of the housing situation.

Typically stupid. You'd expect no less of a profiteer who treats my country like a cash colony. Not to be redundant, but the English had all their laws and regulations and "did nothing wrong" at the time either. This country needs people like you like it needed the English colonialists.

You've freely admitted that you're invested in maintaining the housing crisis. Listening to you is like many a con-man, it sounds sensible and correct on first telling, but a scratch on the surface reveals all beneath.

Fair play to ye, so not only do you have a bag of excuses, you have a bag of cash off it all. Congratulations. Tell us more about the housing crisis from which you profit, and how there's nothing can be done about it, it's all all very believable and genuine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750686#Comment_118750686

The housing situation is a farce, but you have no solution other than to renege on EU and international laws, seizing the property of foreign companies in the process. I assume than that you’re anti EU therefore (as ejection from the EU would be logical end result), would like to see us out of every international agreement and standing completely on our own, proud on our rock. But sure we’ll be ‘free’

Or we could just build more houses

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750755#Comment_118750755

Shocking as it may come, I don't have a 500 page manifesto at the ready to put in a post on boards.ie. It's good enough to point out the basics, and REITs being given the heave-ho is indeed a most, most, most obvious start.

Anything can be done if the will is there, no need to quote eu regulations and such, it would be the most circular argument since Sir Circle argued for squares in Circle Castle.

"We need to change the law of this thing."

"But we can't change the law of this thing because of the law of this thing."

https://youtu.be/kAqIJZeeXEc

No need for the anti-eu conjecture, it's neither here nor there about anything.

As for the "just build more houses" chestnut...hoooooooly Moses, it's actually hard to credit that such demonstrably untrue ideas are still banging around. Maybe another decade of believing that tripe will work, eh, that's what it needs? Anything built won't be bought by REITs, filled with whoever from wherever, yep, what we need is MORE of the problem, that's the problem! A genuine achievement of the media and boys, I suppose.

Ush1

Housing madness indeed.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750686#Comment_118750686

No I didn't quote the English I just pointed out why we have some of our own laws and the similarities between your ideals and theirs. You should look up the word "quote" because you don't know what it means

Any chance you can stop acting cowardly and actually explain your views and how they can be applied? How about quoting a law or giving the legal principle you think is relevant? How about how we renegotiate the terms of our EU membership? Nothing you say has any relevance without back up which you cannot provide.

I am sure you are a happy person even if you are trolling

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751617#Comment_118751617

You compared the English taking Ireland's land with me saying that FOREIGN interests should be booted out of Ireland....but somehow equating that with Irish people having their land taken????

Think, McFly, think.

My comparison, actually appropriate, is that your stinking attitude, that of treating the country like a cash colony, is actually exactly like the English occupation. And similar to their stupid rationalisation, you wouldn't mind if the likes of me were gotten rid of, and replaced. Silly troublemakers that we are, complaining about an artificially produced housing crisis.

Those pesky Irish and their potatoe blight, wouldn't it be nice if we could just get rid of them. Those pesky Irish and their housing complaints, wouldn't it be nice if we could just get rid of them. We're making money off them, fook them. Replace them with nice silent whoever's from wherever, lovely.

And you suppose I'm going to get into some genuine "debate" on the minutiae of international laws with you? Good one!

You are invested in the maintenance of this housing crisis by your own admittance, pretty much everything you say after that fact is irrelevant. In fact, whatever you say is likely to be the opposite of a good thing for this country. So many of your like about the place, nothing special, but all harmful. And look how they treat the Irish people...they'd be ready to throw them out on their ear if they could, all about the profit. Believe them when the mask slips.

Bloody fascinating in it's own way, you boot one lot of land crooks out of the country, in slip a new generation of housing vampires. A word to the wise, don't listen to the advice of a vampire latched about your neck.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751928#Comment_118751928

Discussion over as you aren't discussing anything. Live your miserable life all you want nothing is going to happen like you want

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751981#Comment_118751981

As if you had a discussion in mind at all, Mr Vampire.

Listen to the vampires, folks, they are very sure they can keep drinking your blood. Are ye going to let it keep going, or not? Are ye going to stand up to this, or not? We'll see.

As for your lovely imagination on my life being miserable, pointless to say on an internet full of lies and c*nts, you, Mr Vampire, would be lucky to have a fraction of what I possess and am, in every way. I'm just pissy about vampires, that's all.

dxhound2005

I like your comment in another post. Dig them out of the ground if needs be and put them on display.

If you have a house yourself, that could be some of your own relations.

AngeloArgue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118748606#Comment_118748606

So, let me see if I'm getting this right.

Properties owned by foreign investors are to be nationalised and the owners aren't going to be compensated. And this is supposed to help the with the provision of housing how?

Are the tenants going to be evicted and replaced with those on social housing lists?

Do you not think that seizing landlords property without recourse would have a negative effect on investment?

Or does the state become the only landlord?

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118752216#Comment_118752216

I can promise nobody in my circle had anything to do with purposefully inflating prices. Simply said.

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118752320#Comment_118752320

Yes, foreign REITs should be hung out to dry.

Yes, it would no doubt damage our investment reputation as a bunch of imbeciles, "treasure island Inc" may take a hit. Oh, no, terrible.

Yes, having more national housing within control is better than entities intent on maximum profit.

Yes, having national control of properties left purposefully empty by REITs would be better.

No, it wouldn't mean tenants would be evicted. Bearing in mind I stated it as "a start", that would obviously operate in tandem would other policy.

I'm all ears now to hear your general idea on solving the housing crisis. If it begins with "build more houses" forget it, pure rubbish evidenced by near a decade.

Always major side-eye to anyone "just asking questions", because the truth of it is that so many people have been willingly and unwillingly roped into this pyramid scheme of a housing crisis, you can't trust anyone to be honest with their "just questions".

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753249#Comment_118753249

The ones alive today could be descended from land grabbers who survived the Famine and did not have to emigrate.

sutrapall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753377#Comment_118753377

You can worry about your flagellated ancestors evicting bacteria off a rock unjustifiably countless millennnia back.

I'll settle my ire on the last 20 odd years of humans screwing the country up, thankyouverymuchsugarandspice.

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753323#Comment_118753323

I'm all ears now to hear your general idea on solving the housing crisis. If it begins with "build more houses" forget it, pure rubbish evidenced by near a decade.

You've lost all credibility if you think building more houses isn't part of the solution.