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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    I don’t disagree, but just to point out that much of ‘Normal People’ was also situated in Trinity and Marianne’s family were loaded, owning a villa in Italy.

    For a self-proclaimed Marxist, Sally Rooney certainly has a fixation on the lives of very affluent people. Totally agree that this show is missing the chemistry that Paul Mescal and Daisy Edgar Jones produced; there was something magical there. Even the secondary characters in ‘Normal People’ seemed more interesting.

    Couple of other points that occurred to me.

    1. I feel like the premise of the book and TV show just doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny. There is no way a wealthy, artsy, mid-30s couple would have any interest, platonic or otherwise, in a couple of student girls.
    2. The lead actress, Alison Oliver is pretty decent and clearly has some talent. I hope this show is a career launcher for her.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith

    I’m curious to see if that will be the case, the same though occurred to me earlier.

    Word of mouth so far is consistently negative to date.

    Certainly this thread has very few positive comments.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭Wombatman

    6 episodes in. Feel like Robinson Crusoe writing this in some kind of endurance log.

    I been struck by a revelation. It's Love Island for woke hipsters....... without any semblance of fun!

    • A bit of a snog and a squeeze.
    • I've got a text.
    • Can I pull you for a chat.
    • Meltdowns and fallouts over nothing.
    • Multiple lines of attraction.
    • Friendships vs Lust
    • Rinse and repeat.

    Frances and Nick are a dish cloths in human form.

    Not sure I have the strength to go on........ will try.

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    I hope so too, we finished it tonight and she (Alison) was the best thing about it. Character motivation and development were absolutely terrible. Who ever wrote the screen play failed epically assuming the book fleshed all of those things? If not then it was a shite book then wasn't it!!!!

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭Shelga

    Good point about Connell versus Nick. Connell was vulnerable and relatable as an Irish guy who went along with the lads' mentality in secondary school, or was too shy to speak up against it, then evolved and grew up in college, and obviously the relationship with Marianne was just gorgeous. He also was from a poor enough background and had to work hard for everything he had- it really portrays that in the book and the show, what a massive relief it was for him to get Schols in 3rd year. That scene in the therapist's room was heartbreaking.

    Nick is just a privileged D4 head, as you say, and far more difficult to root for. Yes, his depression is real, but I still feel like I don't really know him as a person, in either the book or the tv show. He's rich, and mumbles a lot. Joe Alwyn's mumbling is irritating. His accent is a bit weird and distracting at times too- not terrible, but it's like he's torn between posh south Dublin and English.

    "Dish cloths in human form" 😂 I'm stealing that line! I just think it worked better as a book. I still preferred Normal People though. I also thought the book failed to communicate why Nick and Melissa wanted to be close friends with two 21 year olds, and this failure has happened in the show too. I'm a similar age to them, and would not hang out with college students, ever, beyond being acquaintances. Not saying I definitely wouldn't, but you don't see anything that explains it, any USP! They're just friends from page 1, and that's it.

    Overall the TV show just doesn't really work, it should have been left as a book, but would still have benefitted massively from major editing. There are 3x as many scenes of Nick and Frances mumbling to each other as there need to be.

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  • Registered Users, Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,186 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123

    Thanks for this! Was wondering when we'd finally get it back. A great channel that should never have went away.

    As for Conversations With Friends, I thought the first two episodes were good. Not great, but good. I'll keep watching and see where it goes. It's no Normal People anyway, that's for sure.

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    Ah Marcela. Good comparison she is very like her. Marcela actually has family links in my parish in Tipp :)

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Watching a bit of this although i suspected the story may not appeal to me. To be fair I think the actors are excellent and Lenny has done a good job directing yet again. However, unlike Normal People, I think most people won't resonate with the characters in this.

    In Normal People, it explored the vulnerabilities of both Connall (played by Paul Mescal) and Marianne (played by Daisy Edgar Jones) and we automatically rooted for them and wanted them to get to a good place (preferably together). Their journey went from their leaving cert year to the end of college and moving on.

    In the case of CWF, this story is a world far removed for most people and no one has an ounce of sympathy for any of these characters. Where is the moral dilemma? Where is the journey??? Where is the self-discovery?? They seem vile.

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    ??? lol??? Really??? Think id prefer Alcoholic leprechauns than this pretentious shower tbh.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    Ah here. You can’t be disparaging Tommy Tiernan’s character like that..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad

    Smart, more like humourless, self absorbed narcissists.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭siblers

    The cinematography is excellent and it's very well produced but there's absolutely **** all chemistry between Frances and Nick. They're also not very good actors(maybe because their characters are so badly written)

    The best friend is an insufferable gowl too

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands

    Pure muck even though I've only seen the trailers. Story is like it's written by a transition year student!

    A lot of deep staring, silence, talking in whispers, clothes being lifted off, slow passionate kissing and lovemaking, looking out windows of cars deep in thought.

    Surely the only people who are into this are middle aged women who don't know porn exists and think a bit of riding on TV is edgy.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands

    I saw a picture of her in the news one time and I thought she was in her 50s! She's only 31

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke

    You are to be commended for making it to 6 episodes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    She does take herself very seriously. Reminds me of Una Mullally. Face like a bulldog pissing on a nettle.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands

    she reminds me of a female version of Barry Keoghan

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,107 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer

    If the shoe the shoe is poorly received and not popular then it won’t be a career launcher for the actress unless she is singled out as good despite the shoe being bad.

    However, it will surely be a stepping stone for her.

    The series seemed from the start like the the producers and director were jumping on their own bandwagon.

    The trailer made it look like a bunch of horrible people hanging out and being horrible.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad

    I didn't watch it I read a review, it seems the book is better , but of alot of the book is in the form of emails so it's hard to show it all on screen with the same effect I don't think this show will have the same impact as normal people which was mostly about 2 young people falling in love I think most of her reading audience are middle class intelligent women who want to read books that are romantic with a bit of sex in there too

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,741 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley

    I would agree that the main actress is very good but the mina storyline of a love affair between two really boring people is just not that engaging. The only character I have feelings for is Bobbi- who I detest!

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands

    Fair to say Normal People benefitted massively from the lockdowns? Everyone was at home with nothing to do and the media found something they could easily write about then.

    I've seen clips of Mescal doing some other bits and pieces and he was terrible. There was one clip I saw of him in something, where he had a Donegal accent maybe. Terrible acting. Daisy Edgar is quite good.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith

    An interesting theory @Pussyhands

    Season 1 of that Tiger Prawns show was very popular. Season 2 not so much.

    Would any show released at that exact point in time have enjoyed more popularity than perhaps it deserved?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad

    I think Rooney writes about people she knows from her life, intellectual pretentious middle class people. I did not find any of the characters interesting. I don't expect this program to be totally realistic about locations, TV company's go

    where its easy and cheap convenient to film , there's dozens of American drama TV programs made in Canada because its cheaper than America to film there . If this was made in America the women would look like models.

    I read there's a TV boom right now in the UK Ireland because of so many programs are being made for American streaming services

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck

    So this is what passes as Marxism in the 21st century, lol! So much for social realism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith

    I see that Ms. Rooney has another book, ’Beautiful World, Where Are You‘ that apparently features a ‘love quadrangle’.

    Will this get adapted for TV?

    If so, will it be a hit like Normal People?

    Or a miss like Conversations With Friends?

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre

    The lead actor character in this is some dope. Does he have some condition or us he just super-chilled??

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine

    Rooney has a way of writing that kind of pulls you along once you get into it. Even though the people involved are absolute gowls doing stupid gowly things, their inner thought processes are written in ways that are kind of sympathetic, or at least compelling to unwind. It reminded me of being that kind of drunk where you know, objectively, that the person you're listening to is talking absolute shite, but it *feels* really interesting for some reason.

    The show suffers massively from losing Rooney's knack for POV inner thought writing, and because the main two characters needed to have such insane chemistry you could understand why they'd behave so irrationally, as opposed to that electric "adjacent dentist waiting room strangers" quality they give off.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx

    Marxist feminism would put years on anyone ,double shot of misery

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    Just watched episodes 3&4. I thought they were ok, not brilliant by any means, but watchable. The cinematography is stunning, which is something. I also think the actors do a good job conveying the simmering tension between Frances and Melissa.

    As for Bobbi, I hated that character in the book and I detest her even more in the TV adaptation. I’m sure it’s the character, but even the actress playing her annoys me.

    One mildly interesting difference vs. the book is that they go to Croatia on holidays. It’s Brittany in France in the book. Either way, I still don’t understand why the two girls were invited along. It makes zero sense.