When will Comedy End?

Esho

I hope so!

Esho

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592159#Comment_118592159

This is all very confusing. Some guy with Irish traveller heritage is claiming that a joke about gypsies dying in the Holocaust was a joke about 'his people'. Does he know that 'his people' didn't immigrate from India like the actual gypsies? And that he doesn't share their language or culture, nor is he genetically close to Roma gypsies. His only connection is the loose use of the term 'gypsy' by British people and the fact that both groups are nomadic. Maybe I'm missing something here?

stellamere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118594481#Comment_118594481

Comedian was his description in the paper I read.

The conviction certainly made a martyr out of him. It would be safe to say that, if he wasn't arrested, we wouldn't be discussing his crafty wit and chicanery on this forum.

Sounds like he might have been an unsavoury character, and worse again that he wasn't funny.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592530#Comment_118592530

Nah, Frankie's definitely not doing that.

He's probably busy pretending to weep to keep his new career on track.

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591781#Comment_118591781

You think it's not "punching down". Give it enough time and someone will tell you it's doing exactly that in a way you even can imagine right now.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595121#Comment_118595121

You're not the first to assume I'm talking about comedy that punches up. There's literally so much comedy that doesn't punch anyone. Good comedy does not have to be at someone else's expense and there's plenty of good comedy that isn't. This idea that comedy is dying because people might get offended is not only completely wrong but it's also (at its heart) just mean.

Akrasia

What's brown and sticky?

A stick?

No sticks were harmed in the making of this joke

Some people mentioned Billy Connolly as someone who will go out of fashion - hogwash- he’s actually probably one of the least offensive and uniquely entertaining comedians with longevity we’ve seen especially compared to comedians who have emerged in the last 20 years. Jokes about bums, dancing with an adult nappy, and indeed crucifixion (about 0.1% of the population get offended about Christianity being mocked these days) - will all remain funny in years to come.

Jimmy Carrs joke that’s in the news - this is Jimmy’s approach- “I’m going to tell you a joke that you know you shouldn’t laugh at....but you will” - and indeed, the audience do- whether it’s sex abuse, religion, cancer, car crashes, it doesn’t matter- the joke will be told and the audience will laugh. Whether it’s a right thing to be doing? Personally I think it’s tiresome at this stage- I didn’t find the joke funny.

the big difference between Billy and Jimmy, is that you felt Billy actually believed what he was saying, and it was also funny- Jimmy’s just a shock jock churning out ever more crass comments for laughs- he has had some clever jokes in the past but this isn’t one of them.

There is an SNP elected concillor in Scotland demanding that Carr and anyone who applauded the joke be prosecuted.

🤡

Boggles

Boris has weighed in via a spokesperson.

He is "deeply disturbed". 😂

Between that and David Baddiel explaining what an acceptable nazi joke is, we have I think reached peak farce with this one.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118594481#Comment_118594481

"as funny as cot death"...

yikes.

I'd prefer to watch 100's of videos of a pug doing a little nazi salute than listen to people use the lack of humour in cot death as a jovial analogy tbh

briany

Jimmy Carr basically saying the quiet part out loud, there. If every Roma Gypsy living in Europe were rounded up tomorrow and sent off to camps where they would be gassed to death, the public probably wouldn't be that bothered. That is to say that the level of public outcry - which there would undoubtedly be - would be disproportionately inferior to the level of slaughter being committed. And that's even if, unlike with the Holocaust in WW2, the public had full knowledge of what was going on.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595981#Comment_118595981

yeah I think you know that's bullshit.

gormdubhgorm

I think normally society dictates what comedy is. Various difference tastes. But the problem is I feel now, is that a very small vocal minority can create uproar. It is by product of the internet age I think.

I mean look at boards.ie half the time you would assume you are on an American site. Basically for such people who copy America and Americanisms, phrases, thought processes normally seem like the vocal minority types who like to create uproar. Or outrage.

Comedy will still exist, but I think it will just evolve and force future comedians to be more astute in order to 'navigate' past the vocal minority. But still deliver the same message. I think it will have to be 'coded' in anecdote or analogy etc

The Raging Bile Duct

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595981#Comment_118595981

Wow, you really don't like gypsies...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595981#Comment_118595981

Jesus, wtf...

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595827#Comment_118595827

Are being offended by a joke right there? You know it's not literal, they're just saying he doesn't find Count Dankula funny. Are you feigning offence because he's mocking someone you look up to?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596246#Comment_118596246

Not even a little bit.

For personal reasons, I don't particularly like references to cot death, but I am certainly not offended. I just, personally, find it crass. I am not calling for it to be taken down, I just don't like it myself and believe that many would be less "offended" by a dog doing a little salute than someone using an emotive subject like cot death flippantly to make a point.

I certainly don't "look up to" Count Dankula. What gave you the impression that I did?

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596276#Comment_118596276

Fair enough, questions asked, questions answered. I think that's the way comedy should be taken. You find it crass, but you can just say it's not for you. I think if everyone can have that attitude there's no risk to comedy. The only real issue is things like hate speech laws being extended to cover comedy. We already have some bizarre blasphemy laws that aren't being enforced, but could be, and the UK has some really restrictive, nasty legislation that results in someone who teaches their pug to raise a paw getting a stupid fine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596311#Comment_118596311

Fair play. Completely agree

rob316

The real outrageous thing is I watched that special over Xmas, I barely remember it as it was sandwiched between plenty of other risky jokes. The audience laughed and I did too. And I can **** bet people who watched it, shrugged it off and are now appalled as it's the thing to be woke about.

Now his career should be over? Give me a break.

Comedy is subjective and shouldn't be sanitized. You could go through every comedians material and find offensive or risky stuff, do we condemn that too.

Frankie Boyle, the darling of the left these days, once made a joke about katie Price only marrying a cage fighter because her disabled son Harvey had crazy handicapped strength and her husband was there to stop Harvey raping her.

I laughed at the joke, not because I find rape or disability funny, but because of how shocking it was.

Does that make me a bad person? No. Does it make Frankie Boyle a bad person? No.

But **** me, perspective people. Laugh or don't. If you don't like it, move on. Why should you decide what is acceptable for others? You find it unacceptable? Great don't accept it and watch something you do.

Brendan O'Carroll should be **** himself that the trans lobby are gonna to go for him next for appropriation.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596807#Comment_118596807

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596807#Comment_118596807

You left out the first bit.

Apparently Jordan and Peter Andre are fighting each other over custody of Harvey, well eventually one of them’ll lose and have to keep him.

Also Bring Your Own Boris is disgusted, when did he become left?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596874#Comment_118596874

I never said Boris was(?) although I'd imagine he'd throw his hat into the ring at anyone who could take the pressure off him at the moment.

I was talking about Frankie Boyle.

Why did you think I was saying Boris was left? I didn't mention him. I care about his view on comedy as much as I care about yours.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596874#Comment_118596874

"Apparently Jordan and Peter Andre are fighting each other over custody of Harvey, well eventually one of them’ll lose and have to keep him."

😂🤣

rob316

I have a disabled son and I found that Frankie Boyle joke about Jordan funny. Funny as in that is outrageous, genius to come up with that actually.

Do I laugh at my son and other mentally disabled kids? No but these jokes are meant to provoke the taboo and your darkest thoughts.

All the people offended never laughed their asses off to Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, Chris rock? Sure they didn't

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596888#Comment_118596888

You claimed Frankie is the darling of the left these days. Like it was solely people on the right who enjoyed his comedy when he made that joke.

A comedian growing up in Glasgow with Irish Parents. What political persuasion do you think Frankie was?

And what has political persuasion got to do with the topic?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591750#Comment_118591750

U weren't wrong!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591781#Comment_118591781

Only had to wait for the next post.. 😂

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595826#Comment_118595826

Boris is only using that as a distraction from his own problems. It's all about giving Big Dog one more day in Number 10.

Conall Cernach

Wasn't Carr's joke just a riff on that old one that goes something like:

Hitler, Himmer and Heydrich are discussing the final solution. Himmler says "we'll kill 6 million Jews and a dozen Eskimos." Heydrich says "Why the Eskimos?" Himmler turns to Hitler and says "You see, mein Fuehrer, no one ever cares about the Jews."

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596909#Comment_118596909

I was referring to his "comedy" show on BBC at the moment which is insufferably tailored to people on the left.

I don't care what his personal political leanings are. He's a comedian, not a politician.

But the vast majority of people I see looking to vilify a comedian for telling a joke are, to be polite, left oriented.

I can't imagine many self identifying leftists admitting to laughing at a joke about a black disabled child raping his mother.

But Frankie gets a pass these days.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596906#Comment_118596906

They are modern puritans, laughter is a bourgeoisie pastime, an insult to the harsh reality of working class lives.

Like so much of the modern left they wouldn't know or willingly interact with people outside of their own rarefied clique.

Wasn't always like that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596906#Comment_118596906

You monster!!!!!!!

LillySV

I seen that vid and I nearly shat myself I laughed that hard throughout the vid… he insulted everyone and everything … and as others pointed out … was released at Xmas and was great.., then all of a sudden it starts “trending” to be enraged by joke … so all out for him now .. fukin pathetic

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596960#Comment_118596960

Oh right, so you are one of those lads who sees everything from the prism of left and right, must be exhausting. 😕

So when Frankie claimed the Queen was so old her pussy was haunted, who did that offend?

😂

rob316

Nice to see common sense here and taking it for what it is. Twitter is like a competition at how much better you can tweet your disgust and condemnation than the last person. Absolute cesspit.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597122#Comment_118597122

Not at all.

I just commented on the fact that at the moment, his comedy is mostly lauded by the left leaning people. I find it stilted and boring. But that's just my opinion.

Life is more nuanced than television schedules, but you'd want to be ignorant to not acknowledge that there is a huge intolerance to any humour broadcast that isn't tailored towards a left leaning political view these days.

When he mentioned the queen's pussy, it was much more acceptable to say whatever you liked. I'm not sure who it offended. Perhaps the queen?

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596906#Comment_118596906

Well, you are laughing at other mentally disabled kids if you are laughing at Harvey?

Say what you like about Katie Price, but she's been a fantastic Mum to him.

The abuse that kid gets is unreal. Punching down as someone else said here.

mewso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597323#Comment_118597323

I think Frankie is as funny as he has ever been. For me the best comedian working today. God knows why people ever thought he was anything other than left wing then or now. He gets his own show and has the audacity to have a diverse range of comedians on his show (even a Limerick man wearing a plastic bag) and talk about politics. I can understand that having a political comedy show might mean the comedy won't appeal to everyone as opposed to his stuff on Mock the Week. Each to their own I suppose. I honestly think the majority of his monologues at the end of most episodes (New World Order) are some of the funniest things I've seen in years. His one on Dogging was genius (imo for the pedants).

As for Jimmy I would also be a fan. When I heard about this latest media frenzy I couldn't remember the joke despite having watched it. So I'm a monster it seems. I automatically assumed their was context being ignored and shock horror indeed there was. The only crime was it wasn't that funny anyway but it was part of his usual thing of going from mild to extreme jokes to see how much the crowd could take.

All I ever think about when things like this happen is that famous episode of Chris Morris' Brass Eye. Media loves to tell us when bad things have happened, the professionally outraged get their time on sky news, the anti-woke people get to talk about how Orwell's future is coming true and the rest of just shrug.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596061#Comment_118596061

If that's what you got from my previous post, I don't know what to tell you. Jimmy Carr's joke was making the point that there is a stark lack of sympathy for certain groups' suffering in the Holocaust vs others because some groups are still actively demonised and mistrusted such as Roma Gypsies.

Quantum Erasure

...and Irish Travellers.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597122#Comment_118597122

when Frankie claimed the Queen was so old her pussy was haunted, who did that offend?

Hardly the ghost of Prince Philip, I'd say he would have enjoyed that ... maybe not in a while, but still

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597323#Comment_118597323

So you find his comedy boring because you have decided it no longer aligns with your political views.

That's rather sad to be honest.

The lad is hilarious and always has been.

But each to their own.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598507#Comment_118598507

That's not what I said.

I said that I find that his comedy these days a bit stilted and boring. It's simply my opinion.

There are plenty of comedians and shows I enjoy despite not them not always lining up with my political views.

"thats rather sad to be honest"

lol. condescending much?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597683#Comment_118597683

Its strange he wouldn't laugh at jokes about his own disabled child but laps up others being made a punchline. Theres something missing.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598536#Comment_118598536

It's sad you are missing out on his comedy for what is your own reasoning (political), which I believe has no bearing on if something is funny or not.

Who are these other comedians you enjoy?

Ashbourne hoop

I saw Frankie Boyle in Vicar Street about 10 years ago. Brilliant, but not for the easily offended. The ones who are getting "offended" by Jimmy Carr would blow up with the jokes he told that night. No one or nothing was off limits, Jordan, the McCann's, Jade Goody and Colin McCrae were all mentioned, and hilariously so.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598628#Comment_118598628

It's nothing to do with his politics. I just don't find him funny recently.

I sometimes enjoy John Oliver, Marcus Brigstock (sp?), Romesh Ranganathan, Alex Horne, Dara O Briain, Greg Davies etc.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598694#Comment_118598694

Why bring politics into so, when no one was having that debate?

I haven't heard of half of them TBH.

John Oliver's stand up was quite poor, his show is good though.

Never took to O'Briain, Never seen Davies stand up, I only really ever see him on talk shows, he is funny though.

But like I said each to their own.