Glasnevin 'necrology wall' memorial discontinued due to vandalism fears

Quantum Erasure

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/controversial-glasnevin-cemetery-memorial-discontinued-due-to-vandalism-fears-1.4793707

Chairman of Dublin Cemeteries Trust, David Bunworth, said the wall had been vandalised three times and it would be impossible to stop a fourth such incident.

Instead, he said the trust would erect a separate memorial to all those who died in the 1916-1923 period along with a book commemorating the dead from that period who are buried in the cemetery.

Don't think it should have ever got the go-ahead in the form it was, but some of the British soldiers who were named on it are buried in Glasnevin, so you can see why they might have went that route

corner of hells

Unfortunately , there are neanderthals still living in our society unable to express an opinion or debate who resorting to vandalism.

In this case , an object in a place with a tourist footfall.

Brucie Bonus

Its a shame. Best thing to do is have separate memorials rather than none.

Might be an opportunity for a redesign. A wall on each side and a plaque in the middle on how all the dead have a right to be mourned.

end of the road

including those who brutalised the irish on it was never going to end well.

vandalism is a criminal offense of course but this could have been avoided by keeping the RIC terrorists and outside forces dead separate from freedom fighters and civilians.

Let's face it the scrotes who did this are probably vandalising other stuff too. I see no problem recognising all who died. Its the mature thing to do, and the right thing too. The memorial is not condoning the British forces behaviour. Ironically the type of people who did this are more than likely the descendents of the local garrison, just too thick to realise it

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582318#Comment_118582318

What’s the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist I wonder?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583703#Comment_118583703

a terrorist fights to subjicate, a freedom fighter fights to liberate from that subjication.

that is why not commemorating/recognising RIC terrorists on the same wall as others is the right and mature thing to do.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582318#Comment_118582318

Most of the RIC were just ordinary Irishmen serving communities like the Garda today.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583874#Comment_118583874

doesn't matter as they took part in the brutalization and subjecation of the irish people, therefore were traitors.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583955#Comment_118583955

You don't know what you're talking about. The vast, vast majority had nothing and wanted nothing to do with any of that. They were just ordinary policemen with families like everyone else.

That's the reality.

Strumms

So the criminals win again..great… sure we are getting used to it now.

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583874#Comment_118583874

No. They were an armed paramilitary force not comparable to the gardai.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584048#Comment_118584048

Of course they were armed with all the trouble going on.

Were they supposed to work unarmed like the Garda today?

Most were just ordinary people doing their job.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582318#Comment_118582318

So, allowing the vandals win is ok. Disgraceful, but typical and shameful. Ordinary Irishmen being denied their place in history. Shame on you.

Montage of Feck

The Gardai were unarmed through the civil war. But then again they didn't have a history of inforcing a unjust foreign occupation that caused famine and misery.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584215#Comment_118584215

You must take a simplistic and un-nuanced view if you are going to label all members of any organisation as this or that.

It's not that simple.

If you want to direct it at those in charge or the politicians I'd have more sympathy.

I just don't see why ordinary policemen, the majority, only wanting to help people at the end of the day deserve that.

Economics101

Looking at the antics of the DUP this week, I was thinking how we in the (Free State) (Ireland) (Republic of Ireland) (Eire) had put all this nonsense behind us. And then come these total nutters and vandals. So the poison is still in the system.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584609#Comment_118584609

Wouldn't be surprised if it was just one lunatic to be honest. Possible.

orecir

Delighted. The memorial should never have been erected in the first place.

History washing is disgusting. These thugs and traitors should never be remembered.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584167#Comment_118584167

not shame on me at all, i am not one bit ashamed and never will be.

my statement is correct and stands.

Danzy

The memorial was offensive.

Junkyard Tom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583874#Comment_118583874

After 1918 certainly not. After the War of Independence kicked off they were collaborators and threw their lot in with the British occupying regime. How do you think the Black and Tans knew which houses to raid and burn? There was nothing ordinary about them.

Chips Lovell

Only took about nine posts before the word "traitors" was mentioned. There you go.

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584350#Comment_118584350

malinheader

Is it correct that there are names of some Black and Tans on the memorial wall or did I pick that up wrong.

whisky_galore

Very easy and cowardly to attack dead men. Akin to going into a graveyard and smashing a headstone.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118585243#Comment_118585243

Not just dead men. 40 children were also being remembered.

Dyr

Good

Only in Ireland, would you have the sort of nonsense of commemorating the foundation of the state like it was a maritime tragedy.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118585215#Comment_118585215

I suppose the previous posters just took it as a given fact, no need to state it.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584646#Comment_118584646

Not just one lunatic, unless the perp is also posting on this site under multiple identities.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583703#Comment_118583703

A useful quote from Yes Minister. It's one of those irregular verbs. “I am a freedom fighter, you are a guerilla, he is a terrorist.

silver2020

SF/IRA politicians seem to have lost their voice.

Usually they are out with public statements within minutes of a news story like this.

Why the silence?

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582126#Comment_118582126

this sort of shinner mentality is why we are so slow in progressing as a nation

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586336#Comment_118586336

The families of anyone buried derserve to be able to mourn.

I'm not shinner mo chara. If you want to be antagonistic all the time you'll end up with an Ulster ulcer.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586323#Comment_118586323

You have to thread carefully when you're a bunch of globalists masqeurading as nationalists

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586470#Comment_118586470

dittio terrorists and criminals masquerading as a political party

CrabRevolution

It was amusing during the hooha in early 2020 about the RIC commemoration, there was an RIC version of the "My Grandad was in the GPO in 1916" doing the rounds. Apparently everyone's RIC Grandad was the exception to the rule; he was just doing his job to serve the people, was beloved of his community and never took part in any oppressive activities.

It seems the RIC members who gave the force such a bad name all seem to have left no descendants.

Perseverance The Second

On the one hand they should have never included the name of those who died for the likes of the RIC. After all you don't see Japanese fighters commemorated in memorials for the likes of the Nanjing massacre.

The larger issue is that this will now set a precedent for vandalism as a tool for change into the future. Going to be interesting to see what sort of memorials or statutes will be vandalised in order to advocate for change.

rolling boh

Surprised the wall lasted as long as it did having the names of black and tans along with their buddies in the RIC was bound to cause offence poor old Joe Duffy is very upset .

iffandonlyif

I find it incredibly depressing that we went through a decade of centenaries and, if anything, our prejudices have been reinforced.

Nationalist dogmas persist, and that’s even before Sinn Fein gain power and stoke them further.

landofthetree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586323#Comment_118586323

Them and their core support generally had a lot of relations in the Black and Tans,RIC,British army,Auxiliaries etc. Its tricky for them. They want it to not be mentioned.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584921#Comment_118584921

It was an ugly memorial aesthetically anyway. They put awfully ugly wire mesh between in the gaps to stop people getting stuck in the wall. Ruined it's appearance.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587767#Comment_118587767

We are a lot more bigoted now against Unionists than we were twenty or thirty years ago. We feel that we have them backed into a corner. Our dear leader Michael Higgins plays his part in this too. He loves to play to the gallery.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583867#Comment_118583867

The RIC were the police of the time. They were ordinary Irish people doing a job. A job that was required for law and order in the country, same as every country needs a police force.

many of today's gardai had grandfathers and great grandfathers in the RIC.

You have a very messed up idea of who they were. It's pretty disgusting actually

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587820#Comment_118587820

no they were a terrorist force, paramilitary orce belonging to the british and to uphold british rule and subjicate the irish people.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587868#Comment_118587868

Snore. They were the police force in Ireland from 1822 until 1922. The whole country was part of the UK

How do you feel about members of An Garda Siochana, arresting and convicting members of unlawful organisations?

iffandonlyif

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587803#Comment_118587803

Interesting. I wonder if the DUP’s supplanting of the UUP is largely responsible?

We are endlessly indignant that Brits know little about our history and politics, but we know so little about Unionist politics bar the latest DUP controversy, and the history that we do know is one-sided.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587820#Comment_118587820

Between 1860 and 1916 a qtr of all RIC men that died while serving were killed by other RIC men. They were even savage to each other.

We can dress it up anyway you like but they were a force of largely violent hoods and were very corrupt, even by the standards of the time.

Montage of Feck

Maintaining law and order? In the period of time the RIC were maintaining this "law and order" half the population either died of famine or had to migrate to escape destitution.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586336#Comment_118586336

Exactly, there are a certain type who only see things in terms of sides.

it is quite funny that the we are all Irishmen because we are born on this island (which is only done to provoke) position suddenly disappears in the case of a memorial to all who died and the same posters want different memorials.

That type of hypocrisy wouldn’t wash in a book of fiction because it wouldn’t be deemed credible.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118588086#Comment_118588086

And here you are attacking people because they aren't on yours. Do you read these before you post them?

They all deserve to be remembered and mourned.

Its a shame. Best thing to do is have separate memorials rather than none.

Might be an opportunity for a redesign. A wall on each side and a plaque in the middle on how all the dead have a right to be mourned.

I don't know why you and your friend think this is so abhorrent. Making up things to be ignorant about. The hate is strong alright. The civil war is over horse. Move on.