New set of irons

Cluedo Monopoly

I haven't played golf in 20+ years but I making a return. The equipment seems to be fierce complex these days.

I am considering buying a new set of Mizuno irons. 5-S. Regular size and shaft. I was told also to get a gap wedge and a lob wedge along with a 4 hybrid or 'rescue'.

Does that sound like good advice? Any advice welcomed.

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058230589/new-set-of-irons

I presume you are getting the Mizuno Hot Metals (HM)...

If they are the Hot metals they particularly strong and Pitching Wedge would be 44 degrees...

You would probably carrying a Sand Wedge which is 56 degrees normally... 12 degrees is a very large gap.

Mizuno Gap Wedge is 49 Degree helps on this...

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I bought the Mizuno HM 4 to PW about 4 months ago... I just ordered the Gap Wedge a couple of weeks ago... (5 week wait)...

I will be carrying two gap wedges... I have a 52 degree (really like the club)and I will get the Gap Wedge i get strengthen by one degree...

Mizuno HM are goos clubs, won a trip to Spain a month after getting them...

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557710#Comment_118557710

Yes they are hot metals. I am buying them in a golf shop.

What do you mean by strengthened?

Do you buy direct from Mizuno?

How do I know that Mizuno would suit me better than say Ping. I suppose there are loads of factors.

Buttros

I got the Hot Metal pro last summer. 4 iron to gap wedge. Kept my 2 ping wedges. I got fitted (about 60 mins hitting 7 irons into a screen with trackman spitting out numbers..... Changing heads and shafts until we got the best result) with our club pro and ordered from him. Took about 6 weeks for delivery. The club pros pricing is competitive as they buy as a group from the manufacturers.

By stronger I think it means less loft. So my 7 irons are carrying about 10 yards more than my old Callaway irons. I guess because its a degree or 2 less loft.

I hadnt played regularly in about 20 years. A couple false starts in that time. Last year decided to go all in. Joined a club. Got fitted for new irons and played regularly all summer. Next up a few leesons and try to knock a few shots off the handicap.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058230589/new-set-of-irons

have you any old golf clubs?

Irons haven't moved on much in 20 years

Hybrids have sort of replaced long irons for some

Drivers and woods have moved on

If you are buying stock like that, just go second hand, you would be mad to buy new unless you have the money to throw around

People switch all the time so plenty of 2-3 year old clubs, but older is fine

Any driver in the last 6 years and any other clubs in the last 10

golfguy1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558621#Comment_118558621

apart from the fact that there is about 20yrds difference in new models to 20yr old irons. not to mention the vast difference in forgiveness on off centre hits

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558325#Comment_118558325

Stengthened : This means the lofts are lower than normal... A traditional 5 iron would have a loft of 26 degrees, the Mizuno HMs are 22 degrees, the 6 iron in HM is 25 degrees... This means they have strong lofts, they go further and they can do this by the magic of technology (mainly in the last 8 years). This means that where we were grabbing hybrids and woods on bigger courses a lot as approach, now we can grab irons...

The disadvantage is there usually a gap left on the other side of the bag between Pitching wedge(44 degree) and Sand Wedge(56 degree).. Don't be too worried. There usually a gap anyway (traditional Pitch Wedge is 46 degree), that is where the gap wedge comes in... We usually have gap wedge anyway...

Buying direct from Mizuno? NO. I would be very strong on No there... You need to get fitted... It is highly important and any good Golf Shop or Golf Pro would give you a good fitting... Some places are better than others.. But you want the person selling you them to have a high knowledge of golf and equipment... A Golf Pro that sells and alters clubs would be very good as are independent golf shops like Golfstyle in Galway, ProGolf in Athlone....

Club Manufacture: The major clubs makers all make good clubs but what makes a difference will be that they suit you ability and are custom fit... You are coming back after a long time. You are going to probably be in the game improvement irons, these are geared more towards length and forgiveness over feel and shot shaping.

Here is the general short list: https://mygolfspy.com/2021-most-wanted-game-improvement-iron/

I tried the Ping G425(power specs) and the Callaway APEX DCB when I was trying... Looking there I wish I tried the Srixon too... Declan said if we were on a team tomorrow he would have wanted the Ping D425 in my hand. I did hit them well but there was no feel, it was like hitting rocks, I didn't know how I hit the ball...

Sidenote: the Mizuno HM 4 Iron is a beast and reasonably easy to hit

4 hybrid, Yes... Very popular club... Can hit out of the rough and progress further to the green, early on we miss a lot of fairways.

As for the question of the Lob wedge, I would leave it out... You are running into the 14 club limit and I actually carry two gab wedges instead of a lob wedge... Lob wedges have limited use and can be notoriously inconsistent unless stuck properly. Lob wedges have usually got a low bounce which means they are more suited to tighter lies (Sand Wedge has usually high bounce and are used from Rough more because of that)...

Question:

What woods are you intending to carry?

4 hybrid to 3 wood would be a large gap...

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558621#Comment_118558621

Monkey...

Irons have moved a good bit in the last 8 years, they are far stronger and far more forgiving... Game Improvement 4 irons at 19 degrees is the name of the game and they are easy hit too...

Strangely Drivers have really gone no where in the last decade and I have Ping G10(2008) at home which I can hit as long as modern Driver... Yes a lot has been spent on marketing but really driver heads have gone next to no where, very limited gains... Shafts have improved...

Hybrids are great and they have taken out the 5 wood and 3/4 iron...

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118559214#Comment_118559214

there isn't

You can get a set where the pw is a 9 if you want to feel like you go 10 yards longer sure, but you aren't going any longer

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118559944#Comment_118559944

drivers have gone nowhere in years

Irons have nowhere to go, no modern club is more forgiving than the likes of an x20 from 2008 for a ping5

if you want to hit a 19 degree club and pretend its a 4 iron, i mean whats the point

Bringing out a new set of irons each year just to tie in with the name of a driver is just about selling

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118560085#Comment_118560085

I say the change in irons happened around the Taylormade RSI irons... The main difference is how much easier these 19 degree clubs are to hit... You can have less speed and thus better contact to get it behave... An old 3 iron had to be hit faster and more pure to get the ball in the air...

The new irons have loft low but they also have the CG (Center of Gravity) at the absolute bottom of the club...

I was seriously like you and said that they are just numbers but the length and forgiveness in new irons is a big change.. Hitting the 4 iron is still like hitting a 4 iron but it goes the distance of 3 iron and stops like a for iron...

As for bringing one out every year, there has been some advances but the low CG power specs and the speedfoam have been the major two advances...

What has been the major advance in Driver head? The Carbon thing this year smells like gimmick...

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561398#Comment_118561398

I wont go on but the speil you get on the x20 us the same speil you get on the rs1 and the m2 irons and the stealth irons

speedfoam is just noise dampening

If you want higher launch, get a hybrid, more so get a 5 wood, moving the GC back makes a difference, down not so much, even a driving iron, which is chunkier than any set 3-4 iron wont launch it high, that's why they are their, so they launch low and roll

Anyway, I wouldnt suggest anyone who has been out of the game for 20 years go get fitted, most of the good players I know have never been fitted but many of the worse ones have 😁

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561653#Comment_118561653

monkey,

The more modern clubs have a lot more weight buried into the heal... Yes they have jacked up lofts but that what gets them higher and longer... The present Game Improvement clubs are considerably better than 14 years ago... It is all about being able to use lower lofted clubs with slower and less accurate contact. I am not saying they have redefined physics but they are better...

Speedfoam is just about jacking as much weight in the bottom of he clubs to create more forgiveness... i.e. Swing slower with less effective contact and get punished less..

I would always recommend to get fitted. If you can't afford a new set... Get a set that should mach your ability (check old years of Golf Spy to know what was good back then) and shafts are generally right... Then find a club maker and he would do lofts, lies, club weight for a fraction of the price... They can be great as a lot of clubs can come from the factory like crap... I had a set from Taylormade I got from a Club Pro and they were all over the place, Regular shafts were more like seniors, none of the club weights matched, 5 and 6 were on one degree apart...

golfguy1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561653#Comment_118561653

very few of the better players (5 handicap and lower) that I know haven't been fitted.

would find it very strange for avid golfers not to be fitted for clubs when buying new clubs

Cluedo Monopoly

Thanks folks. I learned a huge amount just reading this thread. I will get sized and grab a set of irons and then driver/hybrid 4. I have an old 5 wood too.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561935#Comment_118561935

if you actually look on the Taylormade website, passed all the marketing and they say its about stopping the clicky pinging sound you get with the cavity, not speed, its so soft, it couldn't add anything compared to the metal in front of it, sound and feel

i've tried the same loft clubs across all the years and well feck all difference, other than size of head and weight

the amount of weight in the heel was maxed years ago

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562131#Comment_118562131

could be an age thing

most started playing before club fitting became a fad for the everyman and the options were limited

so they know their own game

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118564175#Comment_118564175

Enjoy... As you see there is many opinions...

Personally I carry:

Driver - Srixon

4 Wood (17o) - Cobra F7

3 Hybrid (19o) - Cobra F7

4 - PW - Mizuno Hot Metals

Pitching & Gap & Wide Sole (Sand Wedge ) - Wishon

Putter - EvnRoll ER7

I have Mizuno Gap Wedge on order. I have two Pitching wedges because of gapping...

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565691#Comment_118565691

SpeedFoam Air is injected into the iron head via a toe port. The hollow-body construction borrows technology from our game-improvement irons, which create more forgiveness, fast ball speeds and higher launch thanks to a free-flexing face, perimeter weighting and super-low CG (see SIM2 with Cap Back Design).

Now I will admit there is a lot of marketing stuff there but it makes sense... Foam weighs less than metal... More weight pushed lower in the club and the CG is pushed even lower.

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565699#Comment_118565699

Fitting makes a difference, there are many options today with lofts, shafts, weights, grip size

spacecoyote

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570603#Comment_118570603

I was playing the Wilson D7 Forged and went to Foregolf and was fitted into the TM P790, which are injected with the speedfoam. They are very comparable clubs in terms of loft, handicap range, style of iron. But they are very different in terms of forgiveness on the off centre strikes.

The front to back distance between longest and shortest between the two, for me, was massively tighter which is the main reason I changed.

Obviously of you completely duff a shot, it'll be a bad shot, but the reduced drop off on slightly off centre hits on the P790s is a major bonus.

How much of that is down to the foam as opposed to something else in the face I can't be 100%, but the theory behind it seems to hold true for me at least

Andrew93

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571278#Comment_118571278

I recently upgraded to P790's from Mizuno MP60's and if I'm totally honest, I don't see much improvement in my distances. Would this be mainly down to the time of year (cold weather conditions) and majority of use only hitting range balls? Or is it a me problem?

dan_ep82

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571665#Comment_118571665

Range balls would be the biggest factor there, never use them to gauge a distance as they can be limited by range and most are so damaged they lose yardage aswell.

Cold will have an effect, I judge a club lost in winter for myslef.

I found I only gained half a club at best when i switched from AP2's to JPX900 even though they were about 4° stronger in most irons. Head design can require a stronger loft in some irons to make up for a high launching head.

Andrew93

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571937#Comment_118571937

Thanks for the reply. I thought I was going mad after all the reviews and write ups I read about the P790's. I was expecting to hit my 9i what I was hitting the mizuno 8i and so on. I hope to see some gain on yardage in the coming months. If not I might change for the 770's as they are more a player iron and no need for the 790 if I'm not getting the extra distance.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570603#Comment_118570603

Do you know what weighs less than metal, air

The problem with the thin face is the sound

That's what the foam is for sound and feel

Read back the text again, never says the foam is for speed

AyeGer

I think that’s good solid advice you were given. I’d definitely get the Gap if I was in your position. It is basically the PW of years ago due to the ever strengthening of lofts of Game Improvement Irons. 3 and even 4 irons are quite strong in loft and it may be better to get a hybrid or a 7 wood instead.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571665#Comment_118571665

How did you guage your previous distances?

With a 3 degree loft difference you should see a one club difference

Temp makes little difference to carry distance, wet ground affects roll, what you wear etc has a bigger effect

dan_ep82

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118572520#Comment_118572520

Should be pretty noticeable over a few rounds, give yourself those few to get used to the irons and see how you get on.

I understand where your coming from, I was the opposite, I didn't want my yardages to get much longer. I don't hit it very far but I had a few in the AP2's fly the green from good lies so was doubly worried the new irons would exasperate the problem so they weakened my 6-pw by 1°.

Tom Ghostwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118560085#Comment_118560085

Hit a couple of balls at the range this eve. 39 year old 2 iron vs my current 4 iron. I don’t know the loft on the 2i but loft on the srixon 4i is 22 degrees.

Ben Hogan Apex PC 2 iron (1984)

vs

Srixon ZX7 4 iron (2021)

BLUEYK

OP, there is good advice from both sides of the fitting/non-fitting posters. If you have 2k to burn and not have to worry about it knock yourself out and get fitted and kitted in new equipment.

However, you say you are coming back to golf after +20 yrs. This to me is a red flag for fitting straight off the bat. You really need to build back a consistent swing for so long out of the game to really get the benefit of a proper fitting. Your stats now and in 6 mths time could be very different as you build back up swing speed and swing repetition. The fitter can only go with the data they have in the hour that day. The technical and marketing side of golf these days is a behemoth. Without knowing your playing ability it's tough but too many people these days seem to become experts in all this technical jargon and marketing BS on the 1st tee when in reality the main improvement in golf equipment is forgiveness, higher launch and reduction in shot dispersion. Yes there are also distance benefits but for the average swing speed golfer this is not that much. The big distance gains comes with higher swing speed.

I was at a recent fitting, the pro said it doesn't matter what new equipment he hands me unless you put put a good consistent swing on it. I'm a single digit golfer with old equipment. The stats on my 15 yr old driver all good, he saw no benefit in a e600 new driver which I'll use a dozen times in a round and probably be lucky to hit 50% of fairway. My irons are probably 20 yrs old, could add half a club distance with newer tech but the dispersion is the biggest gain and main reason why I'll upgrade my irons to new tech. Mishits on old clubs v new clubs are a different league. Your scoring clubs, wedges with any gaps in distance control and putter are very important, what's more important is practicing your short game regularly as that's what keeps scoring down and some lessons to get you into good habits to begin with.

If you have joined back a golf club the club pro would usually have some of the manufacturers on site for free fitting sessions during the year. You can pick up some top class equipment 2nd hand to get you started for a quarter of the cost. For e50 a fitter will give you a general idea of specs like shaft, iron type, etc. 2nd hand equipment from past several years will have minimal dropoff to the brand new tech in 2022.

Cash to burn go get fitted, otherwise definitely benefits to 2nd hand to start with also.

phelimb

Agree with all the above from BLUEYK - I'm single digit handicap also. My driver is 15+ years old and 3,5 woods are older still. But they all do the job and distance wise compare (enough) with playing partners who have newer kit.

I got new set of (standard) irons a few years back but did not go for custom fitting - just hit a bunch of balls in the shop and they felt good so loft/weight/bounce or whatever didn't bother me - I adjusted my game to suit the clubs maybe.

I did splash out on a new 60 degree lob wedge and a new putter - game changers!!!

Zak Flaps

Back after 20 years away from the game? Getting fitted straight away would be madness.

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573673#Comment_118573673

I bought an set to a golf club maker and they can do wonders for 100 euros... Checked them out and they were a good bit off there factory settings... They can do a bit to make a set pretty custom to you (as long as you are general right type e.g Game Improvement clubs, shafts ...)..

Skyfloater

34 posts in and no one has mentioned that the OP should be getting a lesson or three? Those will improve his game a lot more than shiny new clubs.

BLUEYK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118577724#Comment_118577724

Think you have misunderstood the thread. It's not about improving the OPs game, it's about where he starts after +20 yrs away from it. The OP can't exactly rock up for a lesson holding fresh air? The advice being debated is spending a lot of money on new clubs (possibly fitted) or buying 2nd hand to allow the OP to get back into the game cheaper to begin with. Custom fitting of brand new gear for the OP straight away would be crazy IMO unless cash is of no concern.

PS. I know my original reply to the OP was long and most probably didn't read it but I mentioned lessons at the end of the third paragraph.

Skyfloater

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578169#Comment_118578169

Point taken, and I agree with all that you say. There is a history of regular posters here suggesting a new and high to medium handicappers that they should have clubs fitted to their swing. But the above players don't have a single consistent swing, they have ten different swings with ten different resultant shot shapes which appear in an entirely random order. We can't expect club fitters to be miracle workers.

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580817#Comment_118580817

Don't disagree the OP could get a pretty standard secondhand set like Ping G30, Taylormade RSI 1,.... Regular shafts, Normal Grips, Standard lies..Cost about 300 euro, should play pretty good with them but if you know... They are 360 but come with two extra clubs...

https://www.donedeal.ie/golf-for-sale/taylormade-rsi-1-irons-4-to-gw-50/29961994

By the way my Golf shop would only offer me 200 euro for a set just like this...Brother got a Christmas Present... Yes, they are second hand but will do a very capable job...

The Mizuno HM he was talking getting would be 750 euro in comparision.

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BTW I brought my set RSI 1 to a Club Maker... The quality of workmanship was shocking...

Those were genuinely Taylormade Clubs...The club maker said they looked like they weren't even put together in the factory...

5 and 6 iron only one degree apart... Shafts and swing weights all over the place...

Saying that going to a club maker to get you clubs checked (especially if bought second hand) is good idea... Just checking the lofts, lies and swing weights and correcting/adjusting them would be less than 100 euro...

Shafts were the biggest laugh, you don't know what you got until they go on the machine...

BLUEYK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580817#Comment_118580817

Fully agree with you, custom fitting really benefits players with consistent swings therefore better players. The better you are the margin for error is more critical so it really becomes a game of where your bad shots go. No clubs can compensate for bad swings.

BLUEYK

@Cowboy Ted, that data sheet is nuts, the variance in shafts is nearly unbelievable. I agree on having loft, lies etc being checked. My irons are ancient but I love them. Had them checked several years ago, were too upright so had been for years hitting them on the inside of centre and fighting a draw. Forged irons so the pro set all the loft/lies for my setup and overnight they were flying straighter, think it cost e7 per iron. There is so much data these days that separating the marketing BS from the actual real important stuff can be confusing as at the end of the day golf shops, pros, club fitters etc are in the business to sell equipment. Some don't care while some genuinely do.

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584732#Comment_118584732

It's nuts alright the club maker said it looked like it was put together by a 9 year old... I was playing with them for 5 years before that...

With forged players you have to get them checked regularly... Good Investment...

spacecoyote

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118588512#Comment_118588512

Have heard so much bad about that particular range of irons, the RSi, over the years.

Think a couple of other boardsies have spoken about them over the years.

Seem to have been a very bad run from TM

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589567#Comment_118589567

Seriously turned me right off TM and I used to have a bag full of TM..

They just look like a marketing company with a priority to have as many releases as possible and compromise on quality...

Got a set of Wishons after that and they were a joy to play with and made me a better golfer but were quite short in comparison (one club)... But the feel of them is incredible (in comparison). They are made by a club maker, the process took me about 3 hours in fitting(we took our time) but I loved the experience of looking at various aspects of it...

https://wishongolf.com/designs/iron-sets/new-565mc-forged-irons/

They don't do jacked up lofts which means getting used to playing longer club numbers than your friends. That set is less forgiving than the RSI but offer way more feel so you learn quicker... Handicap is the same but better golfer IMHO...

spacecoyote

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118594176#Comment_118594176

Know a guy playing single length Wishon irons. Absolutely loves them and loved the process of fitting into them

ShivasIrons

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580817#Comment_118580817

This is not true, not even close to being true. Even poor golfers have similar tendencies in all swings, their speeds don't change, their paths don't wildly change, how they release the club doesn't change, they certainly don't go from swinging like Rory McIlroy for one shot and Eamonn Darcy on the next shot.

What does change is where they hit it on the face from shot to shot, where the club face points at impact and how the low point of the swing is controlled. The vast majority of golfers have no clue on where bad shots come from and fall back on cliches as to why they happened. Understanding where the bad shots comes from means a solution can be given to hit better shots and yes, poorly fitting equipment are a reason behind bad shots.

The golfers who gain the most from getting equipment to suit them are the medium to high handicappers. You'll never see a scratch golfer or a tour player lose 3 shots with an equipment change, yet it happens all the time with 18 handicappers.

As for a new golfer getting fitted clubs, if someone says to them that they should get forgiving clubs, that in itself is a fitting, a very basic one, but one none the less. The new golfer mightn't have to go into great detail but they need something that won't hinder their progress of improvement and some of the packaged beginner sets are awful.

I've yet to hear an answer to this question from those who think fitting isn't suitable 'We know that different clubs perform differently, so how do you choose ones that suit you best?'

The answer is a fitting and this is especially true for the medium to high handicapper and even more true if they have been a medium to high handicapper for a while. Going from poorly suiting equipment to suited equipment is the easiest way to improve.

BLUEYK

I don't think anyone will disagree the benefits of poorly suited equipment v suitable equipment, that's a different discussion than what was being discussed.

WRT to medium to high handicappers, say if they are already in suitable equipment and the gains from upgrading to fitted equipment are a lot less, what will make them better golfers? Practice, lessons, wedge play, short game, putting. Most golfers should be able to get it around the greens in 3 shots at worst, medium to higher handicappers usually struggle with wedge play and short game. You will see plenty of medium to high handicappers with great golf gear but awful short games plus they carry lob wedges with zero idea how to use them. High handicappers get better by not turning bogeys into trebles by duffing chips, 3 stabbing, etc. Unless they are willing to work on that part of their game the new shiny custom fitted equipment won't matter a damn.

Be wary of a medium to high handicapper with a tidy short game, they will have several shots to spare on their handicap, I was beaten out the gap last year by such a player in an internal club match, think I was giving 12 shots and after 3 holes of 3 up and downs from my opponent I knew I was being had.

Ottoman_1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118603096#Comment_118603096

This right here, two of my mates are suckers for every gadget going and upgrading Irons/Drivers etc to whatever is the latest out there. They play off 21 and 18 respectively and to be fair can play it fairly well from tee to green 70% of the time. But they are absolutely awful wedge players and putters, parasitically their wedges tho! They talk about the duff wedges etc killing them every round but in 12 odd years of playing with them I've never seen one of them even attempt to address the issue with some lessons/coaching. One of the lads carries a set TM MG3 wedges and a Scotty putter that he treated himself to last year and doesn't know how to use any of them! I'm all for lads spending their money on whatever is going if it makes them happy but sometimes its hard not to shake your head at some of it.

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118605685#Comment_118605685

Sure we see this all the time... I will say I got a Evnroll off Ebay (£95), bit of an accident expected to be outbid... Took a while to get used too but it is sublime. Way better than Scotty but an expensive habit to get into.

As for your buddies on Wedges, from the rough or sand this is the most forgiving thing i have ever hit... The lads consider this club illegal (it is not, I think).. Stops like crazy...

https://wishongolf.com/designs/wedges/pfc-micro-ws/

Ottoman_1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118606283#Comment_118606283

I think technique or lack off is the main reason for the wedge struggle regardless of what club is in the hand.

CowboyTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118606924#Comment_118606924

Very true....

I was awful and just went to the pro and got a lesson... Told me about 4 things to practice and watch... Write them as points in the notes in your phone...

I write a synopsis of all my lessons in the phone, what to watch for and how it could be fixed... If things are going bad in a round, take phone out of pocket and just read through it... There is usually something there you are doing wrong..

The Big Easy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118580817#Comment_118580817

I think you'd be surprised by just how repeatable anyone's swing is who plays relatively regularly. Doesn't mean it's a good or desirable move but it's pretty damn repeatable as anyone who's tried to change their swing can tell you.

I wouldn't be one to advocate custom fit clubs for high handicappers with poor swings, but if they don't have the mobility, time, inclination or motivation to work on it and improve, then getting clubs that minimise the misses of that fairly repeatable swing is not a terrible idea in theory.

I think that's the point of view a lot of the recommendations you speak of are coming from.

Edit: none of that is particularly relevant to a new player as is the case in this instance as you said!

Ottoman_1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118607205#Comment_118607205

It's mad, so many amateurs out there are terrible short game players and it's actually the easiest aspects of your game to get addressed with by a decent pro... I've golfed with so many lads down through the years that simply refuse to get lessons but spend a fortune each year on the latest clubs because they somehow believe that this is going to be the fix they re looking for. I'll never understand the logic....