Volvo XC60 Hybrid Vs Kia Ev6

mickey15ie

Evening,

I am considering going to either electric or hybrid at the end of the year or maybe sooner. Currently driving a 520d.

I am considering a Volvo XC60 Plug In Hybrid or a Kia Ev6.

I like the power i have in my current motor and wouldnt like something that doesnt drive as well or have the same poke in it.

Any one have experience with the two models im considering above?

Mad_maxx

EV6 all day long ,hybrid is fast becoming old hat at this stage

kanuseeme

Just looking at the Volvo, 18 kWh battery is impressive, 79 km range, hybrid registrations were higher than EV and PHEV put together last year, I guess some are not on the same hymn book.

Casati

The type of driving you do is critical when thinking about if a diesel, PHEV or EV suits you. if you do 100km each way commute, get the EV6 and you’ll save a fortune in fuel. If you do 70km a day and can charge daily or even during the day but don’t want to delay yourself on occasional long journals then the T6 would be great too. If you do 600km a day quite often get another diesel.

I love modern Volvo’s and although the EV6 is v modern, the Volvo cabin is higher quality and is super comfortable, small things like real leather rather than ‘vegan’ leather. Ignore the one sided merchants saying one type of tech is outdated, this is pure rhetoric

sharky86

family member got themselves a Kia Nero last week, no charge point installed in the home yet. Took 45 minutes to charge at a 50kw charger in town. Not including waiting for the charger

turned me completely off fully electric cars for the time been. In a few years when the tech and number of charge points get better I will reconsider but until then I’ll stick to old fashioned combustion

Jofspring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557054#Comment_118557054

Isn't their problem a short term issue though? Surely a small issue like that while they wait for a home charger to be installed isn't something to put you off buying an EV.

I have my Leaf coming up on a year now. I've public charged 4 times in that year. Once was to see how to do it (charged for 15 mins, no wait). The next two times were for a quick fast charge (no wait at all and again charged for 15-20mins to get what I needed) and the other time was to see how much free charge I might get while shopping in Lidl, didn't have to wait and charged away for free for 40mins while shopping.

I just used the 3 pin charger while I waited for my wallbox to be installed also.

mickey15ie

My commute will be circa 15km per day each way, currently about 28km each way.

2nd hand volvo phev is circa an extra 10k on the ev6.

dont want to regret the change down from bmw to kia, although on aesthics the ev6 is very tasty but i have not driven it yet.##

I would have a bit of a heavy foot too so wondering what sort of range i would really get from it.

For the public charging points do you have to pay for these and are they reasonable if so?

sharky86

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557216#Comment_118557216

The family member is delight with the purchase. It is myself who was turned off them.

I don’t see the benefits out weigh the inconvenience of them yet. Hope the tech improves dramatically over the next few years so I can change my mind.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557962#Comment_118557962

They have no charger at home....

And tech improving? There are various models all capable of over 400km. Where is it you are driving to that needs an improvement on that... Just wondering?

sharky86

They don’t have a charge point at home yet, house they live in doesn’t have a connected parking space beside it. One of these houses where the parking is community spaces across the road etc.

they are looking into burying the cable so avoid kids falling over it etc. should have it sorted in a couple of weeks.

i currently get 950k/1000k out of a dacia duster on a full tank, circa 70e to fill up and time spent filling is less than 4 minutes.

based on the Nero charge time on a 50kw charger the same distance would take 2 hours to charge and cost €25.

2 hours waiting’s to charge isn’t worth the 45e savings for me personally.

crisco10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557993#Comment_118557993

Every thread seems to be getting derailed with this discussion at the moment. But if you are happy with the Duster, there is no hope getting ANY new car that will be worth it (EV or otherwise) financially.

And regarding the charging time, that entire equation changes when your relative gets the home charger setup (and I appreciate not everyone can have home charging). On night rate, the cost to fill their battery will drop to €10 give or take. And it will all magically happen when they are sleeping, leaving them with as full a battery as they want every morning. So in that case, unless they are doing more than 400km per day regularly, they will rarely if ever use the public charging network.

ec_pc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557993#Comment_118557993

As previous posters said, you really need to have access to a home charger to maximise the benefit of an EV. I know this is a challenge for some people, but it will improve. You are paying 70 euro to fill your car now, I wonder what you will be paying this time next year? All energy prices are increasing, but the gap between electricity and petrol/diesel is going to widen constantly into the future.

Our EV is doing about 460-480 on a full charge at the moment. Charged it last night to 80% capacity and it cost just €5.10. So my point is that if you get the home charger combined with a car with decent range you practically eliminate any reliance on public charging.

So the flip side to your point is that we have moved from a fill of diesel costing €100 to an electric cost of approx €9 for the same range. Effectively the upgrade to the new car costs us nothing as the diesel savings pay for the car.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557845#Comment_118557845

I was looking at new with 80 km range, early 2nd hand models only 45 km, I cannot say what you would get from it.

A new one seems to be 10 k more than the EV6, how old is the 2nd hand one your looking at?

mickey15ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558572#Comment_118558572

2019 roughly. But wasnt aware the old models do only 45km. Can range from 55k to 65k

https://www.carsireland.ie/2834583

kanuseeme

Your XC60 Recharge

Total MSRP

€59,250

https://www.volvocars.com/ie/build/xc60-hybrid?family=xc60-inscription&token=7171082245268868858

New seems better value, I know you have to cough up another 7k or so, the Kia is good value compared, but its not a Volvo.

mickey15ie

But by the time you add on the extras you get with the kia like the below your looking at circa 71.5k for the volvo;

Heated Steering

360 Cameras

Heads up Display

Power Seating with memory

driver assistance

mickey15ie

The more and more i look at it the EV6 seems a great buy

ongarite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118559222#Comment_118559222

I'm going from 530d which has incredible blend of comfort & power to Ioniq 5 ( brother to the EV6). Don't regret the decision at all.

Ricey3509

One additional thing to be a aware of is that the 2022 XC60 is using android auto os and it seems to have been a disaster (lots of issues and missing functionality), it would make me think twice before buying one.

mickey15ie

Does anyone know if the EV6 GT will be coming to ireland?

sharky86

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118559718#Comment_118559718

already For sale in Dooley motors in carlow

CoBo55

As a driver of a phev myself home charging is essential, the public network is essentially useless to me as the charge rate is so slow. If I had it over again I'd go for the full ev. No matter which car you choose there are great savings to be made over Ice. I can't remember when I put petrol into the car I'll have to check my banking app.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563746#Comment_118563746

Truer words have never been spoken. I've two neighbours with PHEVs who convinced themselves they can't/won't get home chargers. Instead they got sockets and run off the granny lead

I'd say both cars get charged roughly once every 6 months, they're basically petrol cars dragging around an extra motor.

One thing I'll say with the while BEV vs PHEV argument is that if you're doing lower mileage then with a car like the EV6 you'll probably only charge twice a week, whereas if you want to get maximum value out of a PHEV then you really need to charge it before every journey

mickey15ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562639#Comment_118562639

Is that the EV6 GT or the EV6 GT Line?

This is the one im referring to;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbGgBgN-x7c&t=3s

Vico1612

EV6 GT isn't out yet (anywhere, late 2022 /early 2023) ... GTLine is the highest spec for now in Ireland. RWD single motor .. It's a great car , collected mine 1 month ago and love it. Can't comment about XC60 vs Ev6 as it depends on your circumstances. I was initially going to go Phev (something like Octavia Rs Iv or Formentor hybrid) . Then I moved house and have a longer commute and the ability to install solar so went full Ev.

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563859#Comment_118563859

Mine seems to have settled on being charged twice a week maybe a third partial charge (40%) (costing €5 in total for electricity)if I do a bit extra. There's a big difference in petrol consumption between doing a journey with a flat or charged battery, you'll never get better than 6.5 with a flat battery whereas down into the 3's has regularly shown on the summary.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563859#Comment_118563859

They've completely missed the point of the PHEV. I plug mine in whenever I can (ground floor apt & rental house) and I save a good bit vs a petrol. I could offset repayments on a new EV with substantial fuel savings, I'm not prepared to commit to buying any new car here, so a second hand PHEV was a worthwhile compromise.

mickey15ie

do you think you also need to have solar to see the benefits of an ev car?

Dermoth

Op: I picked up an XC60 T8 last week. So far I’m delighted with it. I have a charger installed so will use that and I’m getting over 55kms from a charge. The piece on the Android OS worried me, but it’s fine so far, other than no CarPlay yet. That comes in a OTA update - supposedly this quarter. Chose PHEV as I live in a rural area but trips home to parents/grandparents and matches are long haul and I didn’t want the anxiety. Will move to full BEV of this model when it becomes available.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566787#Comment_118566787

Oh I agree completely, but the cars in question belong to a particular German 'performance' car brand, and I think they were chosen for the 200Hp and low road tax versus the tractor engine models, rather than because of the fuel savings and opportunity for EV driving

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118568416#Comment_118568416

You can't blame people for that all the same. The PHEV in the city is still better than a diesel or equivalent petrol, even if they're never plugged in. Hope the second and third owners of the cars get decent battery capacity remaining and actually use them as intended!

Vico1612

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118567501#Comment_118567501

Home charger is a must (from a cost perspective - public charging erodes the running costs savings you can achieve with EV) - solar is a bonus in my opinion

drunkmonkey

@Dermoth

What do you think the average mpg would be on a 300km round trip mainly motorway speed limit starting with a full battery? Does it take long to recharge the battery while driving?

I don't see a t8 option anymore seems to be a t6 350bhp.

Dermoth

Hi there. I made a trip like that from West Cork to Bray but honestly can’t remember the MPG. Right now I’ve done 1850kms @ 4.7l/100km. I have a trip this weekend and I will try to tell you what the mpg is, if I remember. Not sure on the options? Mine is a T8/455bhp. I am getting 55-60kms per charge. Hope that helps.

drunkmonkey

Thanks that's pretty good mpg so far, Volvo are giving me a t8 for a few days this week to try out, if I can get close to that I might not hand it back, seriously impressed on a 30km test drive I already had.

Dermoth

Hi @drunkmonkey. I did a little more of the mileage you were asking about this weekend, so wanted to get back to you. First of all I travelled from West Cork to Longford. 310kms, 6.8l/100km. Car was charged prior to that trip - I had my destination in the car and I'd say that approx half the journey was on motorway on cruse control. When I for to my destination, I could charge the car for 90 mins at a cost of 1.51 - which gave me about 22kms of expected charge. So i headed back without a full charge for a total of 655kms (including the trip already detailed) and 7.7l/100kms. Charged the car overnight and did another approx 140kms - so a total trip of 793 at 7.1l/100km. My total on the car is now 2750 at 5.4l/100kms, but I won't need petrol for any trips this week, as they are all local and so that average should drop.

I had a D4 and despite my concerns around changing when I read some stories about software, and the fact that I lost blindspot and Cross traffic on this model due to component shortages, I'm delighted with the change and have no regrets. I hope this helps. It's an expensive purchase, but I am happy with the decision I made.

drunkmonkey

Thanks that's great to know gives me an idea what I should be getting, it's still pretty respectable with not much charging and the power on tap.

Never thought of asking was anything missing from the one I'm looking at, seemed to have every option ticked which isn't helping the price much.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741374#Comment_118741374

Had the T8 since Monday dropped it back yesterday afternoon, got nearly exactly as your long trip clocked up just under 800km with a good bit of motorway in bad conditions, even had to deal with snow and flooding (air suspension came in handy, didn't have to detour), was showing me about 55km on a full charge and to be fair it was accurate which is good considering how bad the weather was here.

It's not a car you'd buy to make a major fuel cost saving, it was brilliant in so many other ways.

I didn't buy it but I still could, what stopped me was the charging speed not sure it was the weather but it was taking roughly 6hrs to charge it on my home wall box, I usually have an hour or two at home before starting the second half of the day so was hoping to get a decent bit of charge in it but was showing about 8km after an hour or so.

Is that normal, do you know if there's any plans to up the charging speed a bit or if it's just not possible due to the hardware in it.

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118766939#Comment_118766939

That's the one thing I really hate about the superb, the charging rate is so slow, on a cold day an hour gives almost nothing.

It's rumoured a sw update can give it 7Kw charging I'll see when I have it in to be serviced.

Dermoth

That’s normal. I think it’ll only charge at 3.5KW/hr. I think that’s the case with most PHEVs? Might be wrong there. Agree with you. I’m saving money versus the diesel T4 but not enough to justify the cost. But a much better car than my 2018 model. Very happy with mine.

dingding

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558594#Comment_118558594

It was only this model year on that had the 18KW battery, all the earlier ones even ones registered last year have the smaller battery. I am going for a new Volvo XC60 and I looked back over Google Maps at my trips. Only very occasionally would I go over 50Km per day and I would only do a longer rune once every couple of months, and a couple of motoring holidays in the UK. I can charge it at home and this will do most of the time and at current prices this will save me 50 euro per week in fuel or 200 per month.

I am also considering installing solar panels at my house and just waiting for some visits and quotes. I was also looking at a Zappi charger which can charge the car completely on the solar energy and I work from home a lot so the car will be at home most days. In any event charging the 16Kw on night rate electricity is only a couple of euro.

For me, the car makes perfect sense, the safety and semi-autonomous systems mean that it is a very safe car which is a priority for me. The ability to run on petrol means that the occasional long run is hastle free as it will run on petrol and the same for the motoring trips in the UK.

As other have said, there is a real feeling of quality in the interior and the size is perfect for occasionally carrying a couple of adults in the back.

The car after might be fully electric, but this will allow me to dip my toe in the water and run my car primarily on green electricity that I have produced.

I am moving up from a X1 1.8D and the volvo is streets ahead. I know the 5 series is to a much higher standard of finish when compared to the X1.

Hopefully you find my comments and approach useful.

VikingG

Is the XC40 or C40 not an option?

dingding

The XC40 would be same size as my current BMW X1. I just wanted to go for a bigger car this time. Also I don;t have the confidence to go full electric yet. I have my Zappi charger installed and the solar system is being commissioned this week. I am expecting to take delivery of the XC60 over the next few weeks.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557993#Comment_118557993

Where are you buying your petrol/diesel that’s filling a 50L tank for €70?

1000km from that 50L is very impressive so it sounds like you’ve no need to change at all.

Although the EV story is messed up. Your family member should not have bought an EV without home charging as if they had, that same car can be filled while they’re in bed. No time time spent filling up and the same 1000km could be done for about €24 on night rate electricity.

MojoMaker

That's poetic licence above Gumbo - to support the "EVs are a waste of money" argument.

MightyMunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557993#Comment_118557993

With a home charger you get 400km for 15seconds of work. Compared to driving to a garage, queuing for a pump, standing pumping fuel in the cold, queuing in the shop and driving home. Could never go back to that inconvenience. Not to mention the thousands in extra costs, and contribution to deaths from my tail pipe emissions

Soarer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119814188#Comment_119814188

To be fair, that post is from January.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119815756#Comment_119815756

And in fairness, that’s something I totally missed!

Kinda explains a bit so.