Is owning a hybrid a bad idea?

lapua20grain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550153#Comment_118550153

Don't tailgate at all & fkn hate when it's done to me

lapua20grain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550442#Comment_118550442

Coasting in a PHEV or BEV is not that same at all as a manual ICE

Lantus

So the price of the hybrid Kona is 5k more than the equivalent exec 2 tone non hybrid version.

You get an automatic gearbox and a slight improvement in fuel efficiency. If that is worth the money to you then go for it. You might recoup your fuel costs but depends on your annual mileage. What I last looked at this the time scale was very long given the small gains soft hybrid offers

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549546#Comment_118549546

Sounds a bit mad for a hybrid battery - For example Civic Hybrid / Fit / Insight fitted from a dealer is around €2200 and tbh Ive only ever sold 2 of them.

You can get them reconditioned for 600.00 by a battery specialist . But the hybrid batteries dont seem to fail. Ive customers with 15 year old civics that are still at 70-80% state of charge. My own insight is at 92%. But honda does Hybrid differently in the models above. The electric motor is for assisting the ICE so you dont get really any "pure" electric range on them... well you get between 2-5 kms at slow speeds if that counts.

The newer models in Europe get 50-70kms pure electic and thats real world figures and is more closely related to Toyots "self charging" technology.

I’ve got a RAV4 hybrid and now I’ve learned how to get the maximum out of it, I’ve found it to be very efficient, especially for a decent size SUV. Motorway I get 50mpg, but at 115-120km/hr. At that speed it spends a good bit of time running on the battery on the flat or downhills. Once you go to 130km/hr then it might as well just be an ICE, and it drops precipitously down toward 40mpg.

City driving I get c. 55+mpg. You can’t lash it when the light turns green, but you get up to speed fast enough. Watching the charge / power dial turns into a bit of a game actually

And, at least for Toyota, wasn’t any more expensive than an ICE SUV

make no mistake, I don’t think I am saving the world here. It is still mostly an ICE. But I have zero regrets about getting one

Horse1920

The biggest seller for hybrids in this country is the increases planned for BIK next year this will push company car drivers into hybrids and EV's quicker than any other incentive

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Horse1920

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118551941#Comment_118551941

Good job you did not compare it to the kona 64 kWh, add another 5k , from day 1 the kona was not good value.

There is a different driving style to anything with a battery, some one who cannot get 40 km from a phev will not get the same range as others from an EV or even the same economy from an ice, my mother got a phev and I told her put it in 0 regen and glide a long, took to it like a duck in water

Bipo

Guys thank you so much for the input. I completely forgot to set my responses to ON so sorry for the delay here.

I’ve decided that I will stick to petrol car for few years in the hope that things will improve hybrid wise with plug-in if ever the government gives us apartment owners a charging point.

In the meantime I can’t decide between Nissan Juke or Peugeot 2008….currently own Renault captur my favourite. ☹️

Darwin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549233#Comment_118549233

Are you doing city driving? I have the same car, my monthly fuel report tells me I'm getting 4.9l/100Kms, it seems to underestimate, I reckon it is closer to 5.1. I'm doing mostly rural driving on 80kph roads, but at least once a month 200Km roundtrip on the motorway. I've 10K kilometres racked up at this stage. Previous car was an Astra diesel which returned about the same, but it was running 20" wheels.

Nigzcurran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611618#Comment_118611618

Yep nearly all city driving, average speed of 30kms, even worse this month

kanuseeme

Thats awful economy, my outlander phev engine ran continuously for 10 days and its efficiency was 9.4 l/100km, it was during covid and I had not used any petrol for 4 months, the engine kicked in to use up old petrol before it would cause problems, normal hybrid petrol use was 7l/100km not bad considering 2 litre, 2 ton vehicle

sundodger5

Might not be. I am currently in the process of picking a new company car.

Hybrid will be taxed at 9% Diesel at 12%. No brainer for the hybrid? Not when the purchase costs seem to be around 7k more for hybrid.

Getting a kicking from the taxman either way.

The big question for the room is would you still say a hybrid makes sense at a mileage of 70,000 kms per year minimum.

Darwin

@Nigzcurran that's pretty depressing to say the least, I had no idea the fuel efficiency would be that poor in city driving. I hear there is a fully electric version of the Puma in the works, God knows when with the current semiconductor shortages.

Nigzcurran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612373#Comment_118612373

Yeah it’s shite to be honest, it’s only a runaround so we probably spend €25 a week on petrol so not gonna break the bank

PaulRyan97

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611764#Comment_118611764

This has to be down to your driving style in large part, on occasion I drive a mk8 GTI around town and my fuel economy is still slightly better than that.

Nigzcurran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612583#Comment_118612583

Yep but the driving style is the missus pottering around doing the school runs and doing the shopping, I hardly drive it as I drive a van. Had a look tonight at the onboard computer and it’s showing average fuel economy of 8l/100km at an average speed of 28kmh.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612862#Comment_118612862

That’s terrible. I’m on 5.6l / 100km in my RAV4. Mix of city, motorway and rural. At 28kmh I’d be 5