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Is owning a hybrid a bad idea?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    A member of my family had a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Living a rural area it was totally unpractical. She was driving around with a fur coat on trying to stay warm in cold weather. Radio and heating never turned on. She tried her best to make it work. The electricity never lasted more than 20km. The petrol consumption kicked in then and was eye watering with the gauge visibly depleting before her eyes. Being used to Diesel cars the change to petrol was a shock. When you look under the bonnet you see a small petrol engine and small electric setup. It seems you are getting half a petrol engine and half an electric engine to run a big SUV just seems underpowered. Can see how it would work in an urban area with trips under 20 km but in a rural area with hills and bends in the road and wind and rain just was not practical on any level. And a car should be comfortable heat wise during the winter your paying enough for it. And everyone has different levels of heat that their comfortable with some people turn it right up high. It may sound whiny but technology should not go backwards like that to make driving less comfortable for people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭DublinDilbert


    There's something seriously wrong with the vehicle, if they are only getting 20Km all electric range out of a 14Kwhr battery, should be closer to 40km (winter) and 50km (summer). When running on petrol they return about 38-40mpg over a long run, again not too bad for a 2.5ton SUV. What MPG would a diesel one get?

    Driving around with the radio off? not sure where to start with that.

    Nothing wrong with hybrids (even non plug in ones) as others have said, you will get 58mpg from an Auris hybrid, day in day out. Slightly higher in the city and lower on the motor way.

    Before anyone asks I have owned both of the above vehicles for significant periods.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    The car consistently ran out of electric at the same spot every day which was just under 20kms on the daily commute. It was a 191 reg so it wasn’t exactly on its last legs or anything. She actually cried with relief when she sold it. Had huge interest when she put it on Done deal from people in Dublin. No interest from anywhere else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I have a new puma 1.0 petrol mild hybrid. Have no idea what the point is of the 48v battery to be honest! Getting 8l/100kms compared to my 1.5 diesel focus which was giving me 7l/100kms



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭daheff


    To the OP.



    I think the key point for you is lack of charging ability. That rules out a BEV and a PHEV.


    So your options are then petrol, diesel or HEV.


    Diesel- no. Being phased out.

    So Petrol or HEV. Work out your mileage the expected mpg of what you are looking at. Do the sums. Whichever is cheaper over 3 years is the one for you then.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    MPGe = Miles per gallon equivalent ( roughly estimated based on price of petrol and electricity )

    Renault Zoe = 180 MPGe = 1.31 L/100km

    Peugeot e208 = 170 MPGe = 1.38 L/100km



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭kyote00


    ‘Self charging’ Toyotas have regen braking as well as engine charging….

    All self charging means is that you don’t plug it in ….

    in reality, the hybrid is first generation tech aimed at reducing emissions …. rather than dramatically improving mpg

    In most Toyota and Lexus hybrid, the car decides when to run on battery only, when on petrol and when on petrol and battery …

    IMHO, if you want to be able to drive in full electric, you need to buy full electric car….



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    If economy is the main concern here would it not be better to hang onto what you have already?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    I'm not sure of the reason of a hybrid except economy ?

    worst of both worlds IMO .. maintenance and a whole heap of plugging in for what 20% extra MPG ?

    Also a small battery with all those recharge cycles has a reduced lifespan I'd imagine





  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    I have an Outlander and regularly get 40km range in the winter and 50 in summer and have the radio, heated seats and steering wheel on & never cold, there must have been something wrong with their car



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    I went from a 1.8 Honda civic to a 1.8 toyota hybrid and my fuel bill halved. But if your doing mainly motorway driving go diesel. My civic got better mpg than the toyota going from Dublin to Cork.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    @20silkcut what kind of car was this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    The only variable I can think of is driving style. I did get a longer range out of it but I was literally free wheeling around. It’s hard to see how you could teach people to drive like that unless there was considerable buy in and very disciplined driving that really takes the joy out of driving. If you can’t put the foot down it’s a pretty dull experience. I’m not talking about speeding btw. Maybe if they just went the whole hog and retarded the acceleration so it can only be driven sluggishly it might solve the issue of driving style. The commute in this car was a 35km trip each way with no traffic numerous bends in the road and numerous rolling hills and three junctions. As I said each day without fail the petrol engine kicked in fully at the 20k mark. When she engaged the self charge button at this point the petrol would consume even quicker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭20silkcut




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    The Toyota hybrids are usually more reliable then most ICE cars tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    You have to relearn how to drive a PHEV or BEV i coast and use regen quite a lot which is a lot different to driving an ICE my driving style is a lot better



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    ...and a healthy bit of tailgating to boot. Those air molecules aren't going to move themselves!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just anecdotally, I haven't done a survey or anything, a lot of people are doing just that.

    But there comes a time when you have to change for one reason or another.

    Then whatever is on the market will get sold because of the shortage of supply.

    There won't be enough petrol/bev/phev/hybrids to supply the second hand market.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Tailgating and coasting would fail your driving test



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,198 ✭✭✭crisco10


    I think the definition of coasting is a bit different in an automatic? Compared to the traditional "coasting" out of gear in a manual that is of course a fail on the test



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  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    Don't tailgate at all & fkn hate when it's done to me



  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    Coasting in a PHEV or BEV is not that same at all as a manual ICE



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    So the price of the hybrid Kona is 5k more than the equivalent exec 2 tone non hybrid version.


    You get an automatic gearbox and a slight improvement in fuel efficiency. If that is worth the money to you then go for it. You might recoup your fuel costs but depends on your annual mileage. What I last looked at this the time scale was very long given the small gains soft hybrid offers



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Sounds a bit mad for a hybrid battery - For example Civic Hybrid / Fit / Insight fitted from a dealer is around €2200 and tbh Ive only ever sold 2 of them.

    You can get them reconditioned for 600.00 by a battery specialist . But the hybrid batteries dont seem to fail. Ive customers with 15 year old civics that are still at 70-80% state of charge. My own insight is at 92%. But honda does Hybrid differently in the models above. The electric motor is for assisting the ICE so you dont get really any "pure" electric range on them... well you get between 2-5 kms at slow speeds if that counts.


    The newer models in Europe get 50-70kms pure electic and thats real world figures and is more closely related to Toyots "self charging" technology.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’ve got a RAV4 hybrid and now I’ve learned how to get the maximum out of it, I’ve found it to be very efficient, especially for a decent size SUV. Motorway I get 50mpg, but at 115-120km/hr. At that speed it spends a good bit of time running on the battery on the flat or downhills. Once you go to 130km/hr then it might as well just be an ICE, and it drops precipitously down toward 40mpg.

    City driving I get c. 55+mpg. You can’t lash it when the light turns green, but you get up to speed fast enough. Watching the charge / power dial turns into a bit of a game actually

    And, at least for Toyota, wasn’t any more expensive than an ICE SUV

    make no mistake, I don’t think I am saving the world here. It is still mostly an ICE. But I have zero regrets about getting one



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Horse1920


    The biggest seller for hybrids in this country is the increases planned for BIK next year this will push company car drivers into hybrids and EV's quicker than any other incentive

    .



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Horse1920





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Good job you did not compare it to the kona 64 kWh, add another 5k , from day 1 the kona was not good value.


    There is a different driving style to anything with a battery, some one who cannot get 40 km from a phev will not get the same range as others from an EV or even the same economy from an ice, my mother got a phev and I told her put it in 0 regen and glide a long, took to it like a duck in water



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Bipo


    Guys thank you so much for the input. I completely forgot to set my responses to ON so sorry for the delay here.

    I’ve decided that I will stick to petrol car for few years in the hope that things will improve hybrid wise with plug-in if ever the government gives us apartment owners a charging point.

    In the meantime I can’t decide between Nissan Juke or Peugeot 2008….currently own Renault captur my favourite. ☹️



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭Darwin


    Are you doing city driving? I have the same car, my monthly fuel report tells me I'm getting 4.9l/100Kms, it seems to underestimate, I reckon it is closer to 5.1. I'm doing mostly rural driving on 80kph roads, but at least once a month 200Km roundtrip on the motorway. I've 10K kilometres racked up at this stage. Previous car was an Astra diesel which returned about the same, but it was running 20" wheels.



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