The vaccine

Rootsblower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118444403#Comment_118444403

I understand your point.

Equally across society throughout the vaccination campaign people have abandoned their convictions because their convictions and the reality of holding these convictions have become burdensome.

Surely the only benefit v risk calculation regarding kids vaccination should be, will the effect of the vaccine on my child be worse statistically than if they contract covid and what will the cumulative effect of mass vaccination of children be. In my honest opinion social benefits are not something that should be taken into account at all.

The risk of longer term issues arising from Covid aren't mentioned a lot when discussing risk v reward. Issues from vaccination are rare. There's also rare and potentially worse issues from Covid. Also, that's only on two years worth of data.

Viruses are notorious for long term issues. As covid has infected such a massive spread of people I'd fully expect lots of long term problems.

xzanti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443864#Comment_118443864

As I've said. Our reasons are our own. I don't wish to discuss it here.

I also never mentioned anything about Myocarditis.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118446479#Comment_118446479

Completely understand, just didn't want someone to erroneously think that the MenB vaccines were "safer" than the COVID vaccines. Everyone has their own reasons and will have their own way of parenting, having the most up to date scientific knowledge on the subject can help. The article covers much more than myocarditis, but that is pretty much the only risk for young people from the vaccines (and as the data points out, the risk from the disease itself is orders of magnitude greater).

I (independently of above) would mention something around how the vaccines get approved for safety, there is an over abundance of caution with regards to medicines, there was heated discussion between members of the approval committee around the risk/reward for the vaccines before approval, that risk/reward in the worst case (teenage males) was 250:1 in favour of vaccination and that is enough for them to be extra cautious when approving a medicine (it was 1400:1 for teenage females). That is as it should be but approval of new vaccines, treatments and medicines is not taken lightly by medical professionals.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441657#Comment_118441657

Why?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443960#Comment_118443960

Is it? I have read the article a couple of times and am not convinced. They are starting on the basis that they are promoting vaccination rather than giving objective data. Also their use of cases per million make it less meaningful to the reader (200 cases per million sounds a lot less likely than 1 chance in 5,000). Additionally, they seem to assume that the only reason anyone would have a reluctance to vaccinate is due to the risk of myocarditis. My guess is (and I may be wrong) but that does not even enter the equation for most people.

The reluctance I and others have is that we do not see a benefit for our children in getting the vaccine. Given the low risk of serious illness is it anymore beneficial getting this than say the annual flu vaccine?

The articles say it reduced the spread of the virus and protects vulnerable people but is that actually the case given that a vaccinated person can still get the virus and transmit it?

Now I am triple vaccinated at this stage and will have no problem getting the kids vaccinated if there is a good reason to do so. Can anyone give me that good reason? The HSE link I posted earlier in the thread certainly doesn't give a good argument and I am not seeing it in the Scientific American article either (maybe I missed something though).

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118444328#Comment_118444328

Are you just trolling? Because there can be no other genuine reason for the nonsense posted above. The kids have had all their vaccinations, I myself have been double jabbed for covid, and you somehow conclude that Im an anti-vaxxer? 🤣

I humbly apologise if my use of the word trauma has offended your sensibilities. How about if I swap it out for upset instead, is that ok? We are not going to get them vaccinated for covid so as to avoid unnecessary upset, because the vaccine does not prevent transmission and because they both had the original version of the virus and it didnt knock a feather out of them.

Better?

Do you want me to PM you my posts so you can have a read of them before I reply, I'd hate to forget about drowning immigrants again when discussing the vaccine or anything else equally unrelated. Shame on me tbh and Im glad you are here to police my insensitive comments.

notAMember

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447489#Comment_118447489

Much better, glad you climbed back down from the hyperbole and we don't have to treat your kids for PTSD afterall. Phew!

Maybe when time passes, and the abject horror at someone reacting to your irrational post subsides, you could chill.