PUP Query

Shuffl_in

Asking this on behalf of a family member who has lost his main employment (hotel) until March. I say main employment because he also has held a second job (PAYE) which pays a fixed rate of circa €100 a month. It's a long held role that involves just four or five hours work per month.

He believes he is not entitled to PUP after losing his main employment because of this secondary role that pays just €100 per month. Is he correct?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058224895/pup-query

It's tricky but if their main employment was taxable as in Paye it would be worth applying using their employment details from main employer (Hotel), however the problem will be your friend being in any employment whilst on PUP, this is not permitted unless self employed who are permitted to earn a certain amount over an 8 week period.

Your friend is in a difficult situation here, Claim PUP but end the 2nd part time job or sign on for JSA/B but their part time job will reduce what they might get per week.

Others may have other opinions but definitely a person can not earn taxable income whilst on PUP .

Shuffl_in

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118388105#Comment_118388105

Yeah it's a pity. I'm not quite sure what his second job is costing him here or if he can even afford to keep his second job now. Which is a bit of a ridiculous situation to be in.

mystic

Your friend can contact the Income Support Helpline at 0818800024 and they can get clarification from the C19 section (internal only) or email info@welfare.ie who will get clarification in writing from C19 section and reply to your friend.

However be warned there's a huge backlog at this time due to staff holidays and Covid. A colleague of mine who deals with them regularly told me today.

If you want to post more specific information about the number of days worked in a given period (hours worked is irrelevant), family situation (married/single/children, etc.) I can point your friend in the right direction.

I'm going to use an example and assume the person qualifies for maximum rate JB, single and compare it to Optional JA.

Hypothetical example: Person works 1 day per week and earns €25.

If they claim JB they lose 1/6 of their weekly JB payment as they are working 1 day a week. €203 less €33.80 (approx.) = €169.80

If they claim Optional JA and don't have any other means they may receive €200. This is worked out by deducting €20 from €25 and 60% of balance. €3 means.

Hope this makes sense.

Shuffl_in

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394272#Comment_118394272

Thanks very much. I'm unaware of the finer details to be honest but I'll pass that information on them. I wasn't aware there was an Income Support Helpline.

mystic

I checked the PUP FAQs today and PUP is not paid if a person has subsidiary employment.

andrewbrowne

Query on PUP here also

On disability allowance whilst working part time up to before xmas and place had to close indefinitely because of covid

My earnings from that part time work is €100 weekly which is allowed without my initial payment being affected.

But I am applying for the PUP based on that, now, lost weekly income. It says i can be in receipt of other welfare payment and still get the PUP. Like i say before this everything was above board on my side, so I'm just wondering if I can claim PUP based on that lost income???

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435342#Comment_118435342

Your question a little different

Morning, in general yes would be the answer, however you mention (or perhaps I miss understand) the part time job was only recent 🤔

PUP is specifically geared towards those who lost their Jobs specifically because of the Pandemic or as a result of restrictions introduced by government. My concern is you arguing you lost a recent part time job and whilst the loss of a part time job not excluded, the length of time you had that job may be queried. The department will check your PRSI contributions over a 4 week period prior to your job lost and whilst I'm not suggesting I'm correct, I feel if it was a recent part time job lost, this may be determined as a loss of a seasonal position, not a loss because of the Pandemic or government restrictions.

Your being in receipt of DA not actually relevant, your correct as some payments not impacted by being in receipt of PUP, it's the actual employment lost that will be assessed along with gross earnings to determine rate of PUP, if awarded.

Whilst you should apply regardless, you would have been advised to have applied immediately.

Scroll down a little to see what payments you can be in receipt of whilst on PUP, link attached

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/573/made/en/print

andrewbrowne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437687#Comment_118437687

Thanks.

Yeah I've held this job for some years now. The actual role I'm in only requires me a couple of days a week hence part time.

As for applying to pup. The business has had to be shut down because of covid itself. Boss and other staff members have contracted it plus a number of important clients are out with it.

Effectively stopping the normal flow of work and revenue to the business. Jobs on hold etc etc

Therefore I'm told no work or no money until these guys get back to full health

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437942#Comment_118437942

A, I see, well then go for it , I just wanted to point out possible issues if only a recent job but as it clearly wasn't you should be entitled, good luck regardless 😉

andrewbrowne

Cheers mate

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437961#Comment_118437961

Your welcome 👌😏

andrewbrowne

The My PUP website so has told me that I'm awared this payment as of Friday 7th but no I've received no payments yet.

This just a matter of time or what? It would be the 2nd working week without any payments if nothing comes in

pelluci

PUP payments run from Friday to Thursday and pay the following Tuesday, so tomorrow's payment covers 7th to 13th.

pelluci

andrewbrowne

Fair enough. Cheers