New Kia Sportage

john_doe.

I was wondering will the new Kia Sportage be offered in PHEV in Ireland , there is nothing on the website apart from a picture.

colm_mcm

I would expect their range to mirror that of the Hyundai Tucson?

john_doe.

Maybe it's just not our here yet

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118387400#Comment_118387400

Nope the new Sportage is avalible from Janurary and I am quite sure there will be a PHEV version of it too.

Meet the all-new Kia Sportage range. 

 

It’s low on emissions, and big on choice. With three different powertrains, including Hybrid, Mild Hybrid and Diesel. Which one will you choose?

https://www.kia.com/ie/new-cars/all-new-sportage/discover/

goochy

Seems pricey compared to tucson . You can get a fully loaded diesel Ticon for about €40k

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118397554#Comment_118397554

Ye there certainly not cheap anymore. Kia moving up in class and must have a lot of confidence in this new Sportage too.

john_doe.

I noticed too the prices, thought would be cheaper ,seems higher than Tuscon and not sure would I opt for it then when it's getting on par with say a RAV4 price.

The PHEV exists in Europe, but its definitely not on Kia Ireland Website so it probably is coming later in year I guess.

Not gone on fact the dedicated European model is shorter also and looks a bit squashed really. Think this is first time kia have directly built model for European roads or something like that.

Interior looks nice , nicer than Tuscon i think , I was looking at PHEVs and in terms of price seems to go like this,

Ford Kuga - Tuscon - RAV4

the Kuga offering the cheapest way to get a PHEV SUV for family - decent boot etc.

Would like to know where the price of this Kia PHEV ranks in below - on par or more than Tuscon.

colm_mcm

Interesting that the mild hybrid manuals have a clutch-by-wire system and an ‘intelligent manual transmission’

https://press.kia.com/eu/en/home/media-resouces/press-releases/2020/Kias_new_intelligent_Manual_Transmission.html

goochy

Love to know why it is hyundai sells so.much more vehicles here than kia ? Assume it's the huge success of tucson why hyundai selling thousands more vehicles ?

colm_mcm

I think a lot of Kia dealers share showroom space with other brands?

Garda contract will boost Hyundai figures too.

Why does Skoda massively outsell Seat when they’re basically the same thing?

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399188#Comment_118399188

Can't see that working out well as they age.

bazz26

Hyundai go after market share to compete with the likes of Toyota, VW and Ford by dumping large volumes of models onto the market, government contracts, hire cars, etc. Kia don't to the same extent as it would mean taking sales from their sister company. Maximum market share is what Hyundai want here.

goochy

I can never understand that , surely making decent money on each car is more important ?

AMKC

7mins 10 seconds in the Audi fans are not going to be happy. As posh as an Audi and posher than a VW Tiguan and it has style too. Imagine paying all that extra money for a dull, ugly, less well equipped Audi when the KIA is just as good or even better than the equivalent Audi and certainly now better than the Tiguan and all other VW SUVs of that size or smaller. Well done KIA. Delighted for KIA.

Toyotafanboi

Honestly, i think it's a desperate looking yoke. Hyundai got away with the controvertial new Tucson but that Sportage is ugly. You won't see many getting out of a VAG product into them.

The clutch by wire thing above is especially funny as Hyundai/ Kia cant even make a good manual clutch to the present day. At least from Kias point of view i suppose clutch by wire will mask any early warning symptoms until the clutch **** the bed and leaves you stuck somewhere.

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441070#Comment_118441070

i haven’t seen the new Sportage, but your enthusiasm for it tells me it’s doomed 😂

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441224#Comment_118441224

Don't mind the look of this but I'd agree with ya about the clutch.

Looks like layers of complication for the purposes of a tiny efficiency gain.

Reminds me abit of vag water pumps with the clutched shroud that were giving lots of bother at small mileages and presumably only used to give a slight efficiency gain.

Mantis Toboggan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399188#Comment_118399188

What's even the point of mild hybrid, is it just a fancy word for petrol?

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441070#Comment_118441070

Your wasting your talent on boards. You should be working for the Kia Marketing department. 😁

Toyotafanboi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441484#Comment_118441484

I suppose it's not an entirely new level of automation or anything in that it's probably very similar to VAG's ASG gearboxes, Hondas i-shift etc where it's effectively a manual box with an automated clutch control. The only difference with the Kia is that the meat in the seat is chosing when to change. I just wouldn't have faith in Kia to develop a completely manual clutch, nevermind that setup.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441545#Comment_118441545

Thank you. I will certainly consider it lol 😆

goochy

Infairness Audi and vw are most overrated cars around . If they made **** cars they would still sell.

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441496#Comment_118441496

They increase efficiency. It’s a real thing

mickdw

I don't know. Depends what you like I suppose. Ford, toyota, kia etc all seem very bland internally. Not even close to Audi in fit and finish.

I drove the current Hyundai Tucson and thought it very much Toyota styled internally. Not premium at all.

goochy

I don't know older audi and vw felt built like a bank vault but not new ones .

Friend has a new top of the range passat , doesn't feel the slightly but classy inside to me - very plastic looking dash.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441842#Comment_118441842

Agreed they are so overrated.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441946#Comment_118441946

I agree the current Sportage the MK 4 not the one just coming out is very bland inside compared to its predecessor and the new one.

Kia interiors are of very good build do and high quality with lots of soft touch about.

Ford really have lost there way internally from there heyday of the 2009 Fiesta, the MK ii C-Max, the S-Max, the 2007 Mondeo and the Kuga based on the C-Max. They all had very stylish dashs and interiors yes the build and quality certainly could have been better but they were funky to look at now all the insides of Fords are so dull and dreary I am glad my Dad does not drive one anymore.

The current Toyota Corolla do is nice inside.

You are of the exception so in the new Tucson. Must people think it is very classy internally.

goochy

You forgot the mk1 focus . Was like a leather dash

omanomad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118398533#Comment_118398533

Why would anyone pay more for an rav4 over a sportage? The rav4 looks like a car from the 90s inside, I’d class it as below paddy spec.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118442028#Comment_118442028

The new Tucson..... Classy compared to what though? Ya, there is a fair bit of tech and a reasonable amount of soft touch materials and screens but it's just something to do with the styling, its just not a quality feel how it's designed. Just feels cheap compared to the Germans.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443492#Comment_118443492

Lol what Germans are these the ones who made the latest Golf worse than the last one and there electric cars fitted with a dash made from the quality of plastic from a child's toy.

Toyotafanboi

I made a list somewhere here before exactly like that on the new Tucson that's probably easily findable.

Not to totally take away from it, it's an absolutely grand yoke but there was a list as long as your arm of very obvious things at a glance where it was very cheaply and unpleasantly finished.

IMO anyone who gets into a new Tucson and is wildly inpressed by it's fit and finish would be a huge red flag to me that they know **** all about what they are talking about.

Technology is moving quick in cars and just because it has a colour screen and keyless entry doesn't mean it's actually any good at all. The quality of it's predecessor should be a good indicator of things. They sold like hot cakes, they gave the impression you might have a few bob, maybe, but even in the very early stages of their lives they were desperately unreliable junk. The sort of car that once it's 12 months old with a bit of muck under the arches, it could be anything.

Mantis Toboggan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443558#Comment_118443558

Agree with this, lot of the German cars haven't really evolved, I once would have laughed at people driving a Kia or Hyundai but there's no doubt they've really upped their game in the last 10 years and continue to do do, their EV range appears to be well ahead of anything coming out of Germany.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443571#Comment_118443571

Now I know you have not a glue what your onabout. Hyundai and Kia make some of the most reliable cars on the roads now maybe even the most reliable cars on the roads now.

The IX35 that came before the last Tucson is actually very reliable too.

Yes cars do change very fast and some of that is down to Hyundai and Kia bringing out new models of there cars quicker than other manufacturers.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443558#Comment_118443558

Ah now a feckin golf is a car I never understood. Over priced and dull as ditch water inside regardless of generation.

But if you look at Audi, Mercedes, Bmw, the quality and knowledge of how to design a good interior in there and visible in every inch of the thing.

Yes some lower end models will cheap out on plastics etc but even at that they are better designed.

The Tucson screen physical shape / design and the actual text reminds me of the front panel of an early 90s video recorder we had.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443665#Comment_118443665

Maybe that's who Hyundai are targeting lol the teen generation from the 90s :)

Personally I see nothing wrong with if if its clear and precise.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443640#Comment_118443640

Are you basing this on their warranty or real world experience of reliability?

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443750#Comment_118443750

Real world experience of reliability.

Toyotafanboi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443640#Comment_118443640

They are terribly unreliable.

The outgoing Tucson has honestly got to be one of the most unreliable vehicles on the roads. Well known for issues with clutch pressure plates/ slave cylinders/ master cylinders, synchro teeth chipping off, premature excessive wear on selector assemblys, o2 sensor failures, nox sensor failures, steering rack failures, head gasket failure, timing chain failure injector failure, engines throwing a rod (for multiple reasons), intercooler hoses bursting, coolant radiators bursting, rear trailing arm bushes tearing off, rear shock absorber lower bushes slipping out, if you were unlucky enough to get a 4WD model all aspects of that system give trouble too and that's just off of the very top of my head. That's not stuff i've made up either, google any of those things, they are prolific.

The cars are made from chocolate.

If you went into any Hyundai dealer and needed 2nd and 3rd gear synchros or a radiator or or a 2016-2020 Tucson they'd be in stock, if you went into a VW dealer and asked for the same bits for a Tiguan you'd be told they dont stock them because they'd never sell. The only reason Hyundai dealers wouldn't stock more of the above is because they are cripplingly expensive.

VAG products can be a bit hard on suspension components over time and aren't without their own issues but they dont leave owners stranded as easily as a Hyundai product in my experience. A Tiguan will give trouble too, dont get me wrong but they gearbox wont eat itself and it wont throw a leg out of bed. The Tucson box **** itself is a certainty and throwing a leg out of bed is on the cards for most.

An awful product, but as I say they are cheap and cheerful so people will fawn over them.

Toyotafanboi

I spent a time working with a Hyundai dealer the year before last and we kept a rebuilt 6 speed box, and rebuilt 1.6 and 1.7 D4FB and D4FD engines in stock. It was a great money spinner on cars out of warranty.

The dealer I worked with was a good operator and our service dept was cleaning up because we could strike and get the work with these bits on the shelf but if you think about the concept of how that came about, it's laughable.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443803#Comment_118443803

Says it all really

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443803#Comment_118443803

Funny. I don't believe any of that. I think you just have a dislike for Korean stuff which is strange as you seem to like Japanese stuff and they are both from Asia.

Toyotafanboi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118444630#Comment_118444630

You dont have to believe me. You can check for yourself, google it, phone a dealer, it's nothing classified.

goochy

Know some one with a 212 tucson diesel and was on tow truck recently . Some clutch sensor went

cpoh1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118444630#Comment_118444630

You are living in dreamland with some of your posts on here about Kia and Hyundai - dont let your enthusiasm at the purchase of a new car be mistaken for a reliable insight into brand quality and the pecking order Hyundai/Kia hold.

For me Kia/Hyundai are a budget brand that have made strides in the looks department but have a long way to go to overtake mazda/toyota/skoda let alone Audi/BMW.

mickdw

I wouldn't mind them if they were budget but after a recent look at pricing on these things, they are far from budget.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118445483#Comment_118445483

So one 212 Tucson has a clutch sensor go big deal. It was the most popular car sold in Ireland last year so of course there is more of them out there than any other car and there is bound to be a few faulty ones.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118449854#Comment_118449854

Yes they have gone up in price a bit alright but KIA must know what they are at. I guess we will know if the new Sportage is a success in a year or two.

goochy

When you said you thought Toyotaboi should like korean cars because they like japanese cars and they are both Asian , you really made yourself appear stupid. Keep on dreaming of the Kia or Hyundai PR persons job.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464149#Comment_118464149

You are the one who appears stupid as you got my quote totally wrong. I never said that I thought Toyotaboi should like Korean cars because they like Japanese cars. I actually said I think they dislike Korean stuff which I thought was strange.

Here is my quote below. Maybe before posting something you should read what you are posting about first before making yourself look stupid.

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"Funny. I don't believe any of that. I think you just have a dislike for Korean stuff which is strange as you seem to like Japanese stuff and they are both from Asia"

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mikeecho

Don't you just love the new and improved Boards.ie

Every thread seems to descend into bickering.

Gone be the days when motors was actually a place for petrol heads to chat and impart knowledge.