How Not to Die for around €5 delivered!

cormie

This could be the bargain of the year as it could extend your life and quality of life exponentially if you follow the advice 😜 I think it's the cheapest it's ever been on Amazon at the moment. Works out at around €5 delivered for the paper back!

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/1509852506?psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp&fbclid=IwAR2sMUpM56xyVfl4V5MvuVW17DvuRaSPtbJhfO6nV0PZdA6Fquhv7aOElVo

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118379091#Comment_118379091

Me too lol, instead its some Vegan preaching crap

We'll all die. 🤣

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118379091#Comment_118379091

Me Too

The_Conductor

I thought it was the Amazon series about the teenagers who committed suicide.

Sigh. Delete.

AmberGold

Thanks OP, good find.

dodzy

Given the choice, death is preferable.

cormie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118379216#Comment_118379216

So a book outlining studies that show benefit to eating whole food plants and detriment to eating animal proteins, processed plants, refined plants, salt etc is vegan preaching? I think you may have a misunderstanding of what veganism is.

gozunda

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118381526#Comment_118381526

Not to burst any bubbles but not the first time this guy has been promoted on boards

Greger is a well know activist and a controversial figure who has been widely criticised by other medical professionals

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/

Tom Mann Centuria

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479045#Comment_118479045

Great article, and highlights just how selective he is with his sources.

Treppen

Hmmm Death or This Book?

I'll go with the death option please

frosty123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118379264#Comment_118379264

With disappointment 🤣🤣🤣

endacl

Summary: Don’t eat food. Eat your food’s food.

No charge.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479218#Comment_118479218

It's the one thing I'm looking forward to when that time comes. 😁

I'd rather die than not been able to eat a big juicy steak so no thanks OP.

Car99

Crucifixion or veganism ? Crucifixion please.

bazz26

cormie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479045#Comment_118479045

Out of interest, do you routinely do a search for the word "vegan" on boards to post your rebuttals? Can you show me though, where has Dr. Greger ever stated veganism (i.e., the philosophical choice to not want to cause harm where harm isn't necessary) is a cure for death? The article is literally stating some people claim this philosophical belief can cure death. Can you show me where anyone has stated this?

fritzelly

Here's me thinking this was the Bargain forum, not the vegan preaching thread

cormie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482976#Comment_118482976

You were the first to mention anything about veganism, so can you please point out for everyone where there's anything to do with the preaching of a philosophy in this book?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483085#Comment_118483085

You know well what your doing, don't pretend you dont.

weisses

🤣🤣

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479045#Comment_118479045

SBM a skeptic run website with autors like Paul

Vancouver science journalist best known for publishing PainScience.com, which is "the SBM of pain and injury medicine." Although Paul grew up believing in anything, Carl Sagan turned him into a skeptic. Paul is also a programmer, a gamer, a science fiction fan, and chases Frisbees more than a Border Collie. Oh, and he was the assistant editor of ScienceBasedMedicine.org for a while (2009-2016).

🤣🤣🤣🤣

cormie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483352#Comment_118483352

Do you not think posting a book at the cheapest price it's ever been should be allowed in bargain alerts because it advocates for minimising processed and refined plant foods and animal foods including those which the WHO define as cancer causing and probably cancer causing, just because you want to continue to eat said foods? Do you have a problem with the book advocating against eating processed and refined plant foods, or just the animal products? If not, why do you think that is?

xpletiv

Idiots will argue on the internet about absolutely anything...

gozunda

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483372#Comment_118483372

Not sure who 'Paul' is. Unless its this guy?

"Paul Ingraham, Assistant Editor, helped manage the site from 2010 to 2016, assisting contributors with editing, layout, and the “mechanics” of blogging, plus many other administrative and technical chores. He is a Vancouver science journalist focused on science-based physical therapy for common problems like muscle pain and repetitive strain injuries. Paul retired in 2016"

I didn't quote him afaik. But no matter - The author of that link is

Harriet Hall - a qualified medical doctor. And its a fairly decent piece of research imho.

As to the site itself - afaik many of the contributors are qualified in the areas of science and medicine.

See:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/contributors/

Thing is yer man greger as detailed has received widespread criticism from other medical professionals

For example another of Greger's books - "Bird Flu: A Virus of Our Own Hatching" was heavily criticised by David Sencer* for focusing heavily on "doomsday scenarios and offering little in terms of practical advice to the public" and that "a professional audience would quickly put [the book] aside for more factually correct sources of iinformation." I think this book is not much different tbf.

*Of note David Sencer was the longest serving director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

cormie

Gozunda, are you not going to address my reply to your post and show me where anyone has ever stated that the philosophy of veganism is a cure for death? You're linking to an article which is claiming disingenuity, while the article itself is titled disingenuously. Who are these "some people" the author is referring to who claim veganism (remember veganism is a philosophy, not a diet, I'm not sure if the author is aware of this?) can cure death?

Also, do you disagree that changing the way animals live increases the risk of disease? I believe this is Greger's take home message in that book. David Sencer doesn't seem to disagree with this either, the same with "other medical professionals". But I'm sure you know quoting "other medical professionals" doesn't bear much weight in evidence, with expert opinion having the highest risk of bias and the lowest quality of evidence when we look at the hierarchy of evidence.

gozunda

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483891#Comment_118483891

Cormie

I'd answer you if I knew what you were asking. And I certainly didn't mention "philosophy". Neither did the article. I'm more interested in the science aspect myself. Maybe read it again to get the gist as per my original post. But if you have problems with the article itself - best take it up with the author .

But sure the book " How Not to Die" has to be a bargain. Up to this everyone had faced death. But heck who doesn't want "not to die" and for only 5 euros! 🙂

Housefree

It's actually a pretty good book, I added in 2 vegetarian dinners a week, might get me a couple more years. You can take loads of advice in the book without going vegan, loads of study's mentioned in it.

Grab All Association

OP: “ Good news, everyone! You don't have to eat meat! I've got enough gazpacho for everyone. It's tomato soup, served ice cold!”

Go back to Russia

cormie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484731#Comment_118484731

My post is pretty clear as to what I'm asking.

What do you mean you didn't mention philosophy? In a thread highlighting a good price on a book about nutrition, you provided a link after mentioning the author being criticised by "other medical professionals", to an article written by a "medical professional" with a title that gives the impression that there are claims that living by a certain philosophy can cure death. So I'm asking you to show where anyone, let alone the author of the book, has made a claim that living by the philosophy of veganism can cure death.

To reiterate again, veganism is a philosophy, not a diet. You can eat nothing but oreo's and coke and still be adhering to a vegan way of living.

gozunda

OK let me reiterate. The article does not mention "philosophy". It refers to diet (as for example https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-do-vegans-eat-3376824)

The article is quite clear on this imo. You may disagree, but there we are. You've got at least one thumbs up for dr gregars book. Be happy or not. Your choice.

cormie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118485751#Comment_118485751

You don't seem to get it. Veganism is a philosophy, not a diet, so to refer to something as veganism when in fact all that's being referred to is a diet which can be consumed by vegans and non vegans, is disingenuous. The fact that a vegan diet can then also have so many different make ups, makes it an even bigger error. A vegan diet is more about what people choose not to eat, than what they do eat and this is only ever from an ethical perspective when referring to it as vegan, rather than anything to do with health, environment or any other aspect. Neither yourself or the author from your original link have shown any sources of where anyone has stated that veganism can cure death. Even the idea of such a statement is absurd. How could following a philosophical way of life make one cure death, what even is curing death? The article is completely disingenuous.

Your link above is also flawed. There is no debate as to whether honey is vegan or not and to say "Most vegans extend the definition of veganism to go beyond just food." is completely incorrect too. I'll say it again, veganism is a way of life, that extends far beyond food and diet.

As somebody who appears to seek out discussions mentioning anything to do with "vegan", please better educate yourself with what veganism actually is and is not.

Esel

Totally bored with this shıte now. Get a room or something.