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How Not to Die for around €5 delivered!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,242 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Me too lol, instead its some Vegan preaching crap



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,452 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    We'll all die. 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 84,912 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    I thought it was the Amazon series about the teenagers who committed suicide.

    Sigh. Delete.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭AmberGold


    Thanks OP, good find.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,913 ✭✭✭dodzy


    Given the choice, death is preferable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    So a book outlining studies that show benefit to eating whole food plants and detriment to eating animal proteins, processed plants, refined plants, salt etc is vegan preaching? I think you may have a misunderstanding of what veganism is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Not to burst any bubbles but not the first time this guy has been promoted on boards

    Greger is a well know activist and a controversial figure who has been widely criticised by other medical professionals

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Great article, and highlights just how selective he is with his sources.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Hmmm Death or This Book?

    I'll go with the death option please



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  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,230 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Summary: Don’t eat food. Eat your food’s food.

    No charge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,452 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    It's the one thing I'm looking forward to when that time comes. 😁



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd rather die than not been able to eat a big juicy steak so no thanks OP.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Car99


    Crucifixion or veganism ? Crucifixion please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,109 ✭✭✭✭bazz26




  • Registered Users Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Out of interest, do you routinely do a search for the word "vegan" on boards to post your rebuttals? Can you show me though, where has Dr. Greger ever stated veganism (i.e., the philosophical choice to not want to cause harm where harm isn't necessary) is a cure for death? The article is literally stating some people claim this philosophical belief can cure death. Can you show me where anyone has stated this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,242 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Here's me thinking this was the Bargain forum, not the vegan preaching thread



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    You were the first to mention anything about veganism, so can you please point out for everyone where there's anything to do with the preaching of a philosophy in this book?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You know well what your doing, don't pretend you dont.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    🤣🤣

    SBM a skeptic run website with autors like Paul

    Vancouver science journalist best known for publishing PainScience.com, which is "the SBM of pain and injury medicine." Although Paul grew up believing in anything, Carl Sagan turned him into a skeptic. Paul is also a programmer, a gamer, a science fiction fan, and chases Frisbees more than a Border Collie. Oh, and he was the assistant editor of ScienceBasedMedicine.org for a while (2009-2016).


    🤣🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Do you not think posting a book at the cheapest price it's ever been should be allowed in bargain alerts because it advocates for minimising processed and refined plant foods and animal foods including those which the WHO define as cancer causing and probably cancer causing, just because you want to continue to eat said foods? Do you have a problem with the book advocating against eating processed and refined plant foods, or just the animal products? If not, why do you think that is?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭xpletiv


    Idiots will argue on the internet about absolutely anything...



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Not sure who 'Paul' is. Unless its this guy?

    "Paul Ingraham, Assistant Editor, helped manage the site from 2010 to 2016, assisting contributors with editing, layout, and the “mechanics” of blogging, plus many other administrative and technical chores. He is a Vancouver science journalist focused on science-based physical therapy for common problems like muscle pain and repetitive strain injuries. Paul retired in 2016"

    I didn't quote him afaik. But no matter - The author of that link is

    Harriet Hall - a qualified medical doctor. And its a fairly decent piece of research imho.

    As to the site itself - afaik many of the contributors are qualified in the areas of science and medicine.

    See:

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/contributors/

    Thing is yer man greger as detailed has received widespread criticism from other medical professionals

    For example another of Greger's books - "Bird Flu: A Virus of Our Own Hatching" was heavily criticised by David Sencer* for focusing heavily on "doomsday scenarios and offering little in terms of practical advice to the public" and that "a professional audience would quickly put [the book] aside for more factually correct sources of iinformation." I think this book is not much different tbf.

    *Of note David Sencer was the longest serving director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Gozunda, are you not going to address my reply to your post and show me where anyone has ever stated that the philosophy of veganism is a cure for death? You're linking to an article which is claiming disingenuity, while the article itself is titled disingenuously. Who are these "some people" the author is referring to who claim veganism (remember veganism is a philosophy, not a diet, I'm not sure if the author is aware of this?) can cure death?


    Also, do you disagree that changing the way animals live increases the risk of disease? I believe this is Greger's take home message in that book. David Sencer doesn't seem to disagree with this either, the same with "other medical professionals". But I'm sure you know quoting "other medical professionals" doesn't bear much weight in evidence, with expert opinion having the highest risk of bias and the lowest quality of evidence when we look at the hierarchy of evidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Cormie

    I'd answer you if I knew what you were asking. And I certainly didn't mention "philosophy". Neither did the article. I'm more interested in the science aspect myself. Maybe read it again to get the gist as per my original post. But if you have problems with the article itself - best take it up with the author .

    But sure the book " How Not to Die" has to be a bargain. Up to this everyone had faced death. But heck who doesn't want "not to die" and for only 5 euros! 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Housefree


    It's actually a pretty good book, I added in 2 vegetarian dinners a week, might get me a couple more years. You can take loads of advice in the book without going vegan, loads of study's mentioned in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    OP: “ Good news, everyone! You don't have to eat meat! I've got enough gazpacho for everyone. It's tomato soup, served ice cold!”


    Go back to Russia



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    My post is pretty clear as to what I'm asking.

    What do you mean you didn't mention philosophy? In a thread highlighting a good price on a book about nutrition, you provided a link after mentioning the author being criticised by "other medical professionals", to an article written by a "medical professional" with a title that gives the impression that there are claims that living by a certain philosophy can cure death. So I'm asking you to show where anyone, let alone the author of the book, has made a claim that living by the philosophy of veganism can cure death.

    To reiterate again, veganism is a philosophy, not a diet. You can eat nothing but oreo's and coke and still be adhering to a vegan way of living.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    OK let me reiterate. The article does not mention "philosophy". It refers to diet (as for example https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-do-vegans-eat-3376824)

    The article is quite clear on this imo. You may disagree, but there we are. You've got at least one thumbs up for dr gregars book. Be happy or not. Your choice.

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