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Why has the government compensation for mica affected properties been negatively received?

  • 03-12-2021 7:26pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭ JizzBeans


    I would like to know if any of the mica protesters are grateful for the compensation package offered by the government? Do any of them accept that the redress offered is actually very generous and unique in nature. There are people who will never own one home, let alone receive what is essentially, finance for a 2nd home.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭ Richard571


    You should have posted this in the Donegal forum……I’m sure you’d get a great response!



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,239 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭ The J Stands for Jay




  • Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ VillageIdiot71


    I was thinking of changing my username to Blank Cheque McMansion, and doing just that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭ Wildly Boaring


    Have no strong opinions


    But it is unique from pyrite.

    One was found in stone

    One was found in concrete.


    Remedy to the stone gerally involves removing and replacing the subfloor and paths. Though there were cases of more substantial damage.


    Remedy to the concrete involves replacing the whole house.


    Therefore it is unique as the cost is substantially higher per unit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,391 ✭✭✭✭ Spanish Eyes


    Donegal, using its "forgotten County" mantra to bleed the State they castigate at last.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭ daheff


    I saw some TD claim that the average affect house was 2300sq ft in size so the scheme wouldn't be suited as it caps the redress by house size.


    Fck me 2300 sq ft. Massive mansions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    Basically it hasn't been received well because it still leaves most homeowners having to come up with a sum of money they can't afford.

    The average amount they will have to put in stands at 55-65k. Which makes it no better than the old scheme, which the government said they were going to fix.

    But the government have put a great spin on it, saying it is a 100% redress scheme when it so obviously isn't, and also getting the 420k cap figure a lot of media attention, which has fooled the public in general into thinking we are all getting handed 420k each to fix our homes.

    But I'll not post again in this thread as it's obvious from some of the comments already that there isn't much actual knowledge of what the situation involves, who is at fault, why homeowners are so annoyed etc. Some folk need to go off and educate themselves on what actually happened here, as they are posting questions and statements that have been talked over to death already and which would answer their points.

    Let's just say that the situation on the ground up here is very serious. But when you are miles away sitting in your home which isn't in danger of falling down on your family in the next big storm, it's easy to take pot shots. The fact that the latest government schemes actually involves money to tackle the mental health issue it's causing tells you a lot about how it's affecting families.

    But sure have your digs at your neighbours expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,869 ✭✭✭ markpb


    It’s worth bearing in mind that land in Donegal and the north west Is extremely cheap and building costs are (were?) much lower than the rest of the country. A lot of people are happy to dig their own wells and deal with their own sewage so the land doesn’t even need to be near a town or on a main road, reducing the price further.

    You could build a mansion there for a fraction of the cost of anywhere else in the country and many, many people did. It’s no indication of their wealth or anything else.

    FWIW I think the micra protestors did a great job getting national attention to their problem and seemed to focus a lot of politicians minds but they’re at risk of losing all that now. There could be lots of good reasons why more than the price of an average house in Dublin isn’t enough to fix/rebuild a house in Donegal but they’re not being communicated and people will lose interest or support very quickly.

    Also the ‘Dublin pyrite’ thing needs to stop. I know it’s second nature in lots of parts of Ireland to feel second fiddle to Dublin but it comes across as childish and petulant when used publicly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,239 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    I am still trying to get my head round all this and reading the thread on Donegal boards little by little. The only cpmparable thing is eg major flood damage compensation? Where there is no human agency responsible?

    But here there is.

    Yet the country is being told there will be full compensation from public funds? If these were council properties the people would be rehoused?

    This is a disaster with a known human cause. Surely those responsible need to pay?

    And the families clearly need to find alternative accommodation for safety. Maybe the council can help with that?

    All very unsettling and upsetting, but the reactions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik


    Would you feel any different if 10 years down the line you had mica and your house was crumbling and you had to move out of the house you are building know?

    I guess these things depend on where you are looking from.

    But I really dont understand how builders and suppliers are not footing the bill.

    Reminds me of homebond telling all the pyrite victims to F off and taking no responsibility for it.

    Dont know what people paid for homebond for if it wasnbt that sort of thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭ houseyhouse


    Of course I would! If I needed my house rebuilt I’d be delighted for somebody else to be footing the bill!

    In all seriousness, I’m not saying there shouldn’t be any assistance. Of course people should not be left in unsafe houses that are crumbling around them. But when you’re spending other people’s money, your expectations should be different than when you’re spending your own money. You don’t order the most expensive thing in the restaurant when somebody else is paying. What is galling to me in this situation is that the homes that we, the taxpayers, are funding are much bigger and more expensive than the homes that many of us can afford for ourselves. That doesn’t seem right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭ JizzBeans


    I understand all the points you make, but I sense you/those affected, are looking to hold the government accountable. And that they need to do "right" etc.

    Why is that?

    How come the redress scheme isn't viewed as very generous assistance, by a government, who are making a serious effort to help its citizens?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    Maybe because someone introduced that sliding scale at the 11th hour which meant the avg amount the homeowner would have to find would be 65k, yet they still claim it's a 100% scheme which it mathematically can't be.

    I honestly believe this was a deliberate attempt to turn the public against those affected, and it's working. The days after the latest report was published, every media report mentioned 100% and 420k cap, despite neither being achieved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭ JizzBeans


    So is there no thanks or gratefulness for the fact that those affected don't have to incur the full cost? Why is it been turned into a negative?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭ dubrov


    The public opinion shifted when it became apparent the homeowners were demanding 100% redress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭ mikemac2


    The best solution is well beyond me. The campaigners though make the Healy-Rae´s look amateurish

    Each interview or sound clip in a march blames dem up in Dublin. We will show Dublin a protest they've never seen before. The Dublin government forgot us

    They clearly don't realise the government screws us all. 😉

    And its a national government anyway, they make it seem like 1880 and Dublin Castle are cracking down. Have they no engineers to do the talking?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    They have always been asking for 100%.

    And they had plenty of support nationwide, some may have dropped off. Who knows?

    I wouldn't judge Boards as representative of the country as a whole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,239 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    If they would put as much money into ensuring the homeless are safely housed ?



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