Can I insert a socket between fuse board and existing socket?

n1st

I want to add an additional outdoor socket between the fuseboard and the existing twin outdoor socket.

Is it as simple as inserting the socket between the board and the socket? i.e. power off, cut the cable, join like wire with like wire within the new socket

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058220828/can-i-insert-a-socket-between-fuse-board-and-existing-socket

You spur off the the existing socket, provided that socket is in a ring and goes back to the fuse board. If its already a spur socket, you can't spur off it.

awec

I think this falls into the category of electrical work that isn't DIYable and needs a RECI electrician?

Scag Mattress

This would fall under minor works

Minor Electrical Works generally involve the “like for like” replacement of switches, sockets, lighting fittings and/or additions to an existing circuit. The work must be in compliance with the National Wiring Rules.

@Rob316 Why would you spur off a ring when you have access to the cable like the OP states?

Anyway its very unlikely to be a ring, thats more of an English thing.

If its a radial circuit or a ring what the OP described is correct.

awec

Looks like you're right @Scag Mattress . I was sure outdoor sockets fell into the same category as bathrooms but no mention of outdoor in the national wiring rules.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262532#Comment_118262532

Your wrong there. Irish House sockets were all wired in a ring up untill recently when RECI decided to change it for some stupid reason. I never seen anything wrong with a ring circuit myself and they are certainly easier to fault find and fix if a fault was ever on them. I think since RCBOs became standard for every socket circuit and for lights too that ring circuits went then.

Scag Mattress

@AMKC how many houses have you wired in the last 20 years?

Because in the last 20 years I haven't wired one ring circuit in a domestic setting.

GreeBo

There are far more houses over 20 years old than under...

basill

Rings are absolutely perfect if you are studying a textbook on electrical engineering. Problem is when the kitchen fitter, "professional" bathroom remodeller, homeowner cuts into the plasterboard and finds a cable and goes hey presto I can just spur off this and that and get me some pixies. Then you no longer have a ring.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118314024#Comment_118314024

How do you spur off the middle of a cable though?

Unless your fitter is leaving one bare end (in which case you need a new fitter, assuming he hasnt already electrocuted himself!) you'd have to think he is just inserting a socket into the middle of the ring, which is still a ring?