Quote for hanging a door

Boooourns

Local business looking for 150 for hanging your regular oak indoor door, i'm looking to get 6 put up. Anyone know the going rate please?

DOCARCH

Does that include fitting of hinges, locks and handles?

ZX7R

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243129#Comment_118243129

Add frames to that also,

Using existing framework or installation of new one.

Boooourns

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243129#Comment_118243129

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243146#Comment_118243146

Yeah that includes the hinges, locks and handles but we are using the existing frames.

DOCARCH

Probably in/around going rate. Maybe try and bargain, as it is 6 doors (like 6 for the cost of 5)?

Still stihl waters 3

That's a decent price

Whatwicklow

Very good price

ZX7R

As others have posted its a fair price.

You will have at least 2 persons installing the doors.

Oak doors a bloody heavy.

And definitely a good price if you're house is a two storey.

Boooourns

Okay, thanks for the replies . I was thinking 900 was a lot for a days work to hang 6 doors but i'm wrong :-)

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250169#Comment_118250169

No, you aren't wrong. I cannot understand how a lot of these builders are charging so much.

Don't worry, there'll come a time when they'll be begging for work and will charge a whole lot less.

Car99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304630#Comment_118304630

I doubt that , most kids leaving school now want to head to college and not a building site. Good tradesmen will become more expensive if anything. And for small jobs like hanging g 6 doors you'll pay a premium because the tradesman would rather hold out for longer higher grossing jobs.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304658#Comment_118304658

Good quality tradesmen are harder to get because of the race to the bottom - "I think its too expensive" - on what basis. I know if I had bought oak doors I'd want them done tidily.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304716#Comment_118304716

Oh that old chestnut of a race to the bottom. Oft quoted by the likes of trades unions when they are being called out on their unrealistic expectations of double digit pay rises.

I am sorry, but in today's work, 500 per day for a tradesman is stupid pay.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304742#Comment_118304742

Stupid pay on what basis? Trades should know their status and stay down there?

Your first sentence doesn't address anything; just dismissive without substance.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304742#Comment_118304742

Lol. Rofl.

Go learn to hang an oak door so!

I bet you think this type of work is unskilled too and the lad has no overheads....

i couldn’t argue with it tbh

if you’re buying Oak doors might as well make sure they’re put up properly and given it’ll take about half an hour or so per door and most definitely need a second workman handy to help lifting it etc really the rates coming to €450 per person. Sure, it’s expensive on the face of it; but there’s tax, fuel etc it’s hardly like he’s walking away with €900 in profit here.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304836#Comment_118304836

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304782#Comment_118304782

As per labour court recommendation for period from Feb 2022, tradesperson minimum rate is going to be €20.52. An unskilled person with at least 2 years experience will get minimum of €18.47

Combine both, and give 1.5 hours per door. That would be around €351. I don't think tax, fuel should make up around 500 quid extra. I would say 6-700 would be a fairer and more reasonable amount of money for the job and still give the tradesman a nice little profit.

As for that nonsensical quip about "know their status and stay down there" - well, I'll leave that in the rubbish tip where it belongs.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304799#Comment_118304799

You make unfounded assumptions. I definitely know the overheads involved, having a senior trades certificate in carpentry and joinery, and having been in the business myself for some time with my own father.

Overheads? Like the apartment in spain, or the house in bulgaria?

I know more builders and their game than you would ever dream of.

@deravarra

Well, there you go OP @deravarra is offering to hang your doors for only €600!

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304910#Comment_118304910

I never said that. I said €600 would be a reasonable price to include tax and fuel, and overheads.

€900 is far too much.

I stand by what I said.

deravarra

OP @[Deleted User] reckons you should just pay and be thankful for lining the pocket of the tradesman.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304907#Comment_118304907

You talk of unfounded assumptions and then go on about "apartments in Bulgaria" ....

Of course you know all the overheads.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304934#Comment_118304934

Not unfounded when you know builders who have them. I personally know some who do.

Of course I do know the overheads, having being involved in a family run construction firm for quite a while.

I knew the bad days of the 80's when there was no work in construction, and certainly no government supports or any such like.

I knew how tough it was to get money post completion of a job.

So don't assume you know me or what I know/don't know.

maestroamado

I think its expensive but there may be more work in fitting to old frames... are you sure the frames suitable for heavy oak doors.. i do not think softwood be suitable to hang heavy oak door on... from memory i think a carpenter take an hour for regular internal door... its a one man job for me as it can be levered into place...

magicbastarder

I am sorry, but in today's work, 500 per day for a tradesman is stupid pay.

to be fair, i've seen lads in IT consulting pull in three times that a day, and they would be doing less work!

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304952#Comment_118304952

It's of no relevance to the "overheads" whether they own apartments in Bulgaria or Dublin. Just ire and spittle for some reason.

I know only too well how hard trades had it and how hard it was to get paid for works. I've heard all the lines of 'my mates says x is enough' / 'my mate can do it cheaper' / 'what if i pay cash' / 'you used my electricity, shouldn't that come off the bill' / 'what do you mean consumables?!' / etc.

Since late 90's trades have been seen as beneath 3rd level education and we've paid the price (literally and figuratively)

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305003#Comment_118305003

I've had it said by more than one tradesman calling to my house of late - that they have been chasing others for payment, and so will have to increase charges because they are losing money. A builder friend had 3 apartments paid for, and nothing to show for in Bulgaria. He's lost money. He subsequently increased his prices to make up the shortfall in his investment. But you don't think that happens, no? You're either very gullible or innocent.

Ire and spittle? I think perhaps you've shown yours.

Trades are important and are needed. But my goodness, it looks and feels like some are holding customers hostage by refusing to do the bread and butter work in favour of big jobs, and then charging exorbitant rates when they eventually bother showing up to do so.

I often had tradespeople agreeing a time and day to call, and then not bothering to show up. I have lost time and money due to this. Perhaps I should start charging them for no shows. What would you think of that? I bet it wouldn't wash. Neither should the litany of reasons for their charging over the top prices.

OfflerCrocGod

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304971#Comment_118304971

Very few would ever be getting €1.5k day in IT. I'd say I'd learn to hang a door quicker than I could train most tradesmen to fix a bug on their own in the systems I work on. I don't get €500 a day and I work on financial/trading software so I'd earn more hanging doors than software/IT.

Suckler

Back to Bulgaria again are we...

Personal " You must be gullible or innocent" remarks show you have little substance to add here.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305068#Comment_118305068

It is pertinent to my experience of builders I KNOW who have said as such - that they have increased their prices to make up for personal investment losses.

Now I know it must be difficult for you to understand, but it does happen. And yes, you must be gullible or innocent if you think it does not happen.

Personal? Oh, like the "Ire and Spittle"? and the assumption I know nothing of overheads.

What, exactly, is your experience of working in the construction industry? I have decades of experience.

listermint

Wtf is he doing going on about Bulgaria. Jesus have I ever heard such shite.

Genuinely love to see him do this for 500. He wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Spoofer.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305063#Comment_118305063

Lol. There's many many many IT contractors. And consultants getting that. You may not get it in an employee role but self employed yes. But that comes with being self employed. Overheads.

magicbastarder

i've seen managers who know the answer to whatever problem presents itself, pay a consultant silly money to tell them what they already know. that way if things do go south, they have the cushion of blaming the consultant. and funnily enough, in a way, the more expensive the contractor, the bigger the cushion.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305116#Comment_118305116

500? I never said I would do it for 500.

I said 500 a day is too much for a tradesman. Perhaps if you actually read what I said before commenting, you'd be a little clearer.

As for Bulgaria - I mentioned it once, and it was dismissed. I clarified - and it was dismissed, so I had to clarify again.

There's far too many "tradesmen" out there charging for half finished jobs and providing shoddy work. There was once such a thing as pride in a tradesman's work. Now it's in and out, and get the big bucks. That's the problem.

Perhaps you're one of those.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304897#Comment_118304897

genuine question - are you quoting a rate which would apply to someone who has qualified as an apprentice, as a wage? i'm asking because you specify it's the minimum rate

or to ask another way - is that what a recently qualified tradesperson would get if they got a job hanging doors in an apartment complex, for example? whereas in this case you'd be paying someone running their own business, having overheads of attending site to quote, dealing with potential issues of badly fitted door frames, etc.?

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305109#Comment_118305109

It's not pertinent at all. Just because you're mates are disingenuous and have poor business acumen, doesn't mean this is relevant to what others are doing. Assertion in all caps about "KNOWING" this doesn't make it anymore relevant, realistic or accurate.

"Now I know it must be difficult for you to understand" - how trite. Should more of my friends, colleagues,subcontractors etc. have made bad investments and then used the deficit to 'overcharge'? It doesn't check out in the real world unfortunately, unless every single builder,carpenter, joiner, plumber, electrician etc. have all made the exact same unfortunate investment and that's become a common accepted 'overhead'. As you seem to be a bit naive to swallow that, I'll let you die on that rock Bulgarian apartment.

And, if you wish to get in to some sort of p1ssing contest, my background is in a trade but I then moved over to the dark side of construction and got a 3rd level qualification also spanning decades...but I never bought an apartment in Bulgaria so I'm probably not qualified enough.

Id advertise it on tradesman.ie ...I'd give no one 500 euro a day...not even a solicitor are on that...they are picking a figure and seeing if it will stick...I now see why the nixers are so popular.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305182#Comment_118305182

Fortunately for me I don't work in the trade. Various family members do. Its hard work. I earn far more doing far less grueling stuff.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305194#Comment_118305194

You evidently don't know any solicitors......

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305194#Comment_118305194

€500 a day based on a standard 220 day work year is about €110k gross. i'd be surprised that if you say needed a solicitor full time for a week, they'd charge anything as low as €2.5k.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305183#Comment_118305183

It's the minimum rate from 2022 on a labour court recommendation.

That's the minimum a qualified tradesperson would get if they got a job in their trade field. There's nothing in the recommendation to suggest it should only be a starting point for only newly qualified tradespeople. It might even apply to some with experience.

Out of 6 door frames, would all 100% of them be badly fitted? I doubt it.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305185#Comment_118305185

Of course it is pertinent. I know one who did, and I am sure he wasn't the only one who did as such. Again, if you believe otherwise, you prove your naivety yet again.

All caps. Sorry if I offended you, but I just wanted to stress that this was someone I personally know, rather than something plucked out of thin air. You seem to allude to me doing that.

Yes, it must be difficult for you, who has beacons of stainless business acumen within the trades, to understand that not everyone holds to their exacting standards. And I never said this was a commonly accepted overhead. Feel free to point out where I did. But you can't, because I didn't say it. I provided one example of someone I KNOW (oops, sorry for offending you again). I would not be so naive to believe that everyone in the building game does the same. You seem to have a bit of a comprehension problem. You ascribe beliefs to me based on a personal sentiment after reading my response.

The issue of whether or not you bought an apartment anywhere neither adds nor detracts from the fact that at least one contractor did and subsequently chose to raise prices to cover his losses.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305347#Comment_118305347

It’s not pertinent at all, you just need it to be to shoehorn it in as an argument. You KNOW someone who foolishly bought apartments and, somehow, get to overcharge to make up for their losses as “Overheads”.

You did insinuate it was common practice when responding to the comment on overheads – “Overheads? Like the apartment in Spain, or the house in Bulgaria?”

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305510#Comment_118305510

Again, making assumptions. Comprehension isn't your strongest point.

blackbox

When will the eastern European tradespeople get word that it would be a good time to come back to Ireland?

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305539#Comment_118305539

Best you can do? Pathetic.

Tell us again about the Bulgarian properties.

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305567#Comment_118305567

And you're the one going on earlier about p1ssing competition?

deravarra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305553#Comment_118305553

They are here already and charging the equivalent of their Irish counterparts, or slightly less, and thinking we are mugs to be paying for it

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305036#Comment_118305036

"A builder friend had 3 apartments paid for, and nothing to show for in Bulgaria. He's lost money. He subsequently increased his prices to make up the shortfall in his investment. But you don't think that happens, no? You're either very gullible or innocent."

So were all his customers happy to pay him higher prices than all the other local builders, just because of his bad property investments?

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305614#Comment_118305614

Thought you were a tradesman. Surely you should be out there racking it in for your Bulgarian portfolio...

poker--addict

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305553#Comment_118305553

Not enough of them yet! Hence this thread is really about supply and demand (not Bulgarian apartments!)

No you wont get a solicitor for 2.5K per week, but they have trained for years, in a semi-closed market. The trades are busy right now, there is no other justification for the rates people are seeing for smaller jobs. There are people in "skilled" jobs after years of education and upskilling earning half 450e/day, and not getting paid in cash either.

The current rates being charged by many trades at the moment are not sustainable or justifiable in the long run. I'm not sure efforts to justify them on the thread beyond the scope of supply and demand are realistic - unless the same people will support a doubling in prices for doctors, pilots, teachers, architects.

It is frustrating for those who have work that can't wait, but the laws of supply and demand are firmly in play. There will have been years where the trades were unfairly pinned to the wall. Sadly many of that era are possibly out of business and not getting to make hay now.