Footballers collapsing

yourdeadwright

Seems to be a crazy amount of player sin recent month collapsing due to chest problems

John Flick, Aguero and the lad in the Sheriff v Madrid game last night, Think there was also a guy

Surely questions have to start being asked of what is going on,

Ohmeha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058219746/footballers-collapsing

What specific questions do you think have to be asked about what is going on???? Do you have a theory yourself?

Can you also provide a verifiable link with evidence to your claim of 3 reports in 2018 and 46 reports already in 2021 in the pro game?

Richard Hillman

https://twitter.com/LaticsOfficial/status/1463877696056963085?t=fNhGu_6VLoIZHkLUU9Tx0Q&s=19

Another one today

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222588#Comment_118222588

I don't know whats going but surely there has to be some investigation into at this stage,

Could it be Coivd? could it be vaccine? Or is it something else to many games? But its at lower level to

Seems every weekend there at least, one at the moment

https://twitter.com/TheBembridge/status/1463436815294152711?t=aXiTm-NAWgrgh8Qy3IeAxw&s=19

Fromvert

Any link to the 3 vs 46 and why was 2018 used and not 2020, 2019 or 2017 etc? When specific years are used as the measuring stick I get skeptical.

DM_7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222762#Comment_118222762

The article linked in the tweet doesn't even say what the persons tweet suggests. That profile seems to be an anti-vax person.

Could post some sources for the numbers you posted earlier or remove them please?

The issue is serious so does not need potential fake news or no context and or unsourced information put with it.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222893#Comment_118222893

Sorry i was reading the article earlier i cant find it now, ill take the numbers down untill i find as i agree its very serious issue

Ill keep looking here

Ps I'm m not antivax im fully vaccinated myself,

yourdeadwright

dobman88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224001#Comment_118224001

The person you've linked to is an anti vax conspiracy theory nutjob with 6 followers on Twitter.

Any chance you have a proper, reputable source for anything you're saying or implying?

Nozebleed

its disturbing alright. im no anti-vaxxer but..i know of a unusually high number of healthy people close to me who have suffered strokes and heart attacks in the last 12 months.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224040#Comment_118224040

Sorry forget about the link so

Look im not antivax or saying its anything to do with vaccines,

all i know is its happing way to often and its getting kinda of scary ,

Im not claiming i know why or anything like thay but surely there needs to be some kind of investigation happening

dobman88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224061#Comment_118224061

Why is it scary? Millions of people around the world play soccer. 1000s play professionally. A tiny proportion may have had underlying/undiagnosed conditions like Eriksens heart. Its not something to be scared about.

As bad as it is for the people it's happening to, you never like to see anyone collapse or take ill, its just a few high profile cases being reported.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224061#Comment_118224061

Instead of forget about the link how about you delete the link altogether instead of leaving it up! you post so much waffle in the fourm at the best of times now you are posting dangerous antivax nut jobs tweets. If you are going to post links at least post links that are medically proven with real facts and statistics backed up by proper research instead of posting conspiracy theory nonsense.

HerrKapitan

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HerrKapitan

Why have some posters been pre-banned from this thread?

DM_7

https://twitter.com/PKendrickWIG/status/1463948655912792064?s=19

The vaccine talk was big enough for Charlie Wyke to have Wigan announce he is not vaccinated.

BanditLuke

Can't link but former footballer Trevor Sinclair was asking about this earlier today on Talksport radio and he got cut off and they went to adds.

Not making any assumptions but yeah seems like its worthy of a conversation anyway.

fullstop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224048#Comment_118224048

How many people close to you have had heart attacks and strokes in the last 12 months? How close? How many usually do in any other year?

fullstop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224288#Comment_118224288

Maybe he was cut off because of the likes of what’s posted in the post above yours? People losing their **** over someone with a potential heart problem and saying it’s the vaccine...except he isn’t vaccinated. 🥱🙄

Fromvert

'Facts' followed by 'I forgot the link'. Here you go

Top right hand corner, click settings

Click on history

That little magnifying glass? Click it

Type in a few letters of any part of the headline, website or just scroll down and find it. You won't because it doesn't exist

yourdeadwright

Some of the replys some up these forums,

Look if you don't think its worth talking about dont get involved but its clear in the last few motnhs there's more players than ever before suffering cardic issues

Im not blaming vaccines nor am i antivaccine, im just asking whats going on

I deleted the links encase they are bullshit

HalloweenJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224788#Comment_118224788

What do you think is going on?

partyguinness

I have to admit I never for one moment considered any link to vaccines.

My view is that professional sports people across the board and are pushing themselves harder and faster then ever before- bigger faster stronger and of course underpinned by advances in sport science. This constant evolvement is going to throw up medical issues with some players that would never have been an issue 10-20 years ago.

Specifically when it comes to football remember they were off for a large period of time last year and more and more games crammed in. Of course absolutely everything is reported now so perhaps incidents like this would never have made the news before.

Mitch Connor

I'm certainly not anti-vax. I am vaccined and I'll get a booster shot as soon as they tell me I can.

If there is a large increase in deaths or major incidents.... it does have to be looked at. Could be vax based, could be utterly unconnected, could be ped related or not, could be a coincidence, could be covid related or not (as opposed to vax related).

But, if there is a worrying increase, FIFA and the governing body should be duty bound to investigate if there is an underlying issue of any respect.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224985#Comment_118224985

I dont know, could it be actual covid itself, i wonder have any of these guys had the virus

Could be a supplement being used or players pushing to hard its very difficult to speculate,

partyguinness

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225020#Comment_118225020

Just following on from this. Rugby has a similar problem.

Players are far bigger and stronger than ever before. The game is faster. It is leading to more serious injuries and head collisions. While of course concussions were always there but the players a far bigger and nastier now ergo collisions are more serious.

The days of the small nippy winger or scrum half are well gone.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224788#Comment_118224788

its clear in the last few motnhs there's more players than ever before suffering cardic issues

Is it clear though? Without actual numbers, it's impossible to tell whether it's a genuine increase in numbers or just increased reporting

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224788#Comment_118224788

If you are going to post nonsense conspiracy theories from random twitter accounts without any proper research backing it up expect to be called out on it also telling poster not to engage and get involved because they are challenging you on the lies you are posting sums up conspiracy theorists looking for only people who agree with them to reinforced their self worth that they know something the rest of the world does not.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225568#Comment_118225568

Nail on head. How can the OP claim that more lads than ever are collapsing when the only figures posted so far have an asterisk beside them as they came from a dubious source?

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225648#Comment_118225648

So are you under the impression there has not been an increase ?

I dont have the numbers myself but Fleck, Aguero, the Wigan & Sheriff lad all this week it looks worrying, Im not tryong to start a conspiracy i just fond it a bit worrying the rate it "Seems" to be happening at the moment,

Genuine question am i worrying about something that not a real thing?

If uv read my post im not claiming i know whats going on

citytillidie

Could be covid related as in how much football has been crammed in with out a proper rest for players since summer 2020.

Next year is going to be busy, teams in Europe are going to be playing every mid week before the World Cup as UEFA wants all European group stage games in the Champions League, Europa League and Conference League played before the World Cup starts.

Oat23

The Athletic had an article about this last week if anyone has a subscription and is interested.

https://theathletic.com/2963733/2021/11/19/someone-collapses-football-pitch-every-four-days/

If there really is an increase, my money is on WADA recently banning whatever PED was popular among professionals and whatever they've moved to is causing it.

Brussels Sprout

I noticed anti-vax twitter going into a frenzy about this in the last few days so asked about it in the Covid forum to see if anyone had done any sort of analysis of the purported figures. Someone linked this tweet in response:

https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/1463614810252365824

Fromvert

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118226960#Comment_118226960

On the Athletic piece, the doctor speaking on it mentions that football has changed and it has. A study of over 450 PL players back in 2016 noted that the number of sprints per game had increased 50% in the previous decade and if I had to guess it has probably increased again in the last five. Players are being put under more pressure to sprint hard more often, high intensity activity is what puts your body under stress. But again I've yet to see stats to back up the increase of incidents so don't even know.

https://sciencenordic.com/denmark-football-society--culture/scientists-football-has-changed-dramatically/1440511

Blazer

You only have to look at Ronaldo to see how much the game has changed in the last 20 years. Its no longer good enough to be a skilled footballer...you also need to be an exceptional athlete.

As much as I hate saying it I don't think any of the football greats upto the 70/80s would last a full match today.

Not only are players covering more distance but they're doing it faster and faster.

Here's a good article on the differences

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-the-game-has-changed-so-much-it-s-time-to-change-match-schedules-1.4131276

fullstop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118227132#Comment_118227132

Just another made up ball of shite picked up by anti-vaxxers as it perfectly fits their agenda to “just ask the question”. See, OP, you asked if you were wrong. Looks like you were.

From the replies to that tweet “Hello from Israel, the writer is a media doctor and well known anti-vax in the local idiots community. There were some threads in Hebrew debunking her stupidity, in one of them it mentioned that she took the list from Wikipedia”

Brussels Sprout

The Fact checkers are finally weighing in on this:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/nov/19/blog-posting/dozens-prominent-athletes-did-not-die-heart-attack/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/athletes-fainting-covid-19-vaccine/

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224788#Comment_118224788

Can you back up your assertion that "there's more players than ever before suffering cardiac issues"? Y'know, facts or figures?

Brussels Sprout

Ken Early wrote an article about this topic this week

A study published last December in the British Journal of Sports Medicine combined information from that Fifa registry with data from media monitoring for the years 2014-18. They found 475 instances of football-related sudden cardiac death across 67 countries, with a further 142 cases where a player suffered a cardiac arrest but survived.

In November, AFP asked the lead author of that study, Dr Florian Egger, to comment on Facebook reports of a surge in cardiac problems among players since the introduction of the Covid vaccines. Referring to the data he and his team had collected, he pointed out that even if the Facebook allegations about the number of incidents this year were to be accepted at face value, and the tally of cases extrapolated to cover the entire year of 2021: “there would still be fewer heart emergencies in football than in the pre-Corona year of 2018. The claim that this dynamic exists cannot be derived from our data or other international registry studies. There are no more deaths among footballers than before the Covid-19 pandemic.”

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