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Lucid Air

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,796 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    2.3 tonnes of a machine, mostly batteries, 141Wh/km. hmmm.

    You gotta wonder when the balance will be achieved in terms of range vs weight as it's such a massive factor in terms of the vehicle efficiency (and road-surface wear). Maybe we'll see taxation based on kerb-weight in time.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Lucid plans to enter European markets this year

    Lucid plans to enter European markets this year (rte.ie)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭rocky


    800km range at 70mph, 145wh/km




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,949 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    That's incredible. Not even the most efficient Tesla Model 3 or Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh would be able to match that. I guess the best in the world 0.2 Cd is responsible here and the huge weight of the car makes not much difference if you can drive at a reasonably constant speed at quiet motorways.

    Not that efficiency is important in EVs with big batteries. It really doesn't matter...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    118kWh battery make quite the difference as well as they force warm up the battery prior to test (in Arizona).

    But, all that aside, savage range, has anyone done similar test on the Plaid which is nearest competitor.

    This is why RSymons's tests are so good, multiple cars on same day so all road conditions the same



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Unless somebody remakes the Schlörwagen that ought to be relatively unbeatable. A fully autonomous hyper efficient model could be a good taxi. If autonomous taxis are ever permitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,828 ✭✭✭Old diesel




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    That's loopy, sure the old Model S long range was 350miles+, don't think the 21" did that test any favours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Phenomenal range. That's Ioniq28 levels of efficiency with over 4X the capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,949 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Came across this review this evening. And now I want one.


    Love the plates on the Lucid Air Dream Edition 😁

    Production values of that video are insane. Think all the money behind Top Gear / The Grand Tour and then some. Amazing stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Ever likely to be sold here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,775 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,350 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    https://lucidmotors.com/media-room/lucid-opens-retail-studio-dusseldorf-germany


    The Saudi investment fund have heavily invested in LUCID and plan to have them assembled in Saudi. They have ordered something like 2000 as new government vehicles. Nice to see an oil producing country move towards EV’s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,949 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    And the only reason Lucid hasn't gone bankrupt yet. I would love to see them survive and thrive.

    I've lots of respect for Peter Rawlinson, but his recent ramblings about the importance of efficiency were bizarre. Efficiency of EVs is completely irrelevant. We just need to produce a huge excess of renewable electricity and store it. Electricity will be so cheap, it might as well be free (within a couple of decades). Tony Seba has been predicting this for years. I am not uncertain he will, yet again, be proven right on this…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,350 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    I would love to see their share price climb to a level higher than when i purchased them. :):) But the same applies to RIVIAN, LI, NIO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,949 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    MKBHD did a review of the base model Lucid air, a steel suspension RWD car. Which costs about $70k, the same as the base Tesla Model S

    He really likes it, in several areas it's better than the Model S like in comfort and suspension. Very well made too. Overall he would personally pick the Model S if he would use the car on some longer trips, as the Tesla SuC is simply unbeatable. And the autopilot system in Tesla is verging on being full self driving, where Lucid is very far behind. And he is an Android user, so doesn't value the Apple wireless car play option that the Lucid comes with and Tesla doesn't

    So if you like a driver's car, are not into self driving tech and don't mind the inconvenience of having to use an inferior public charging system, the Lucid is probably the better buy. Provided of course the company will survive. Which they probably will with the Saudi billions behind it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Lucid are still cash burning to beat the band. I'd say from themselves and Rivian, one of them will be gone (or purchased) within 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,949 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Lucid has Saudi funds behind it, there will be billions there. Like Tesla before them though, they will have to make a lower value, very high margin smaller cash cow car to stay "independent" and be profitable

    I feel this task is going to be far more difficult for Rivian. They have good products. I don't think they will fold, but they will need more cash, so likely will be purchased. Could be a good move for Apple seeing as they totally and utterly failed with their own EV, but they are excellent in design and marketing, which enables them to sell mediocre products with huge margins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Saudi funds are great and all but they are burning $800m per quarter. Their operating income was consistently 750mn +/- for the last 4 quarters and they missed the last 2 EPS.

    Also, the deal with VW offers very little in cash right now. They are similar to Tesla in the very early days, but for every tesla, there are 99 fiskers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,949 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    A few billion per year isn't huge, provided we can see the end of it around the corner. Can we? If they made a really well driving, better looking 700km range Model 3 size hatchback LR RWD competitor for $30k on the road after tax rebate (like the Model 3), while still making at least $5k margin even on the base car, they would have a winner. Hell, I'd buy one!



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