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HSE vs the "real world".

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler
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    The civil service will have to step up to the demand of the sick instead of trying to adapt the country to suit the health service.

    It won't be solved until the public service work like the private sector, If the public service won't work, how does anyone think they can be trusted to do enough when they're working from home



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭ _Brian
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    Private sector front line staff get approx 30-50% more pay and better conditions of employment, better patient to staff ratios etc.

    imagine the whinging of ye if more money had to go towards more staff and more wages, more holidays etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado
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    I have being of the opinion for years that the admin in HSE needs to be put on a private management... i am talking HR accounts IT etc... Hospital admin staff need to work directly with Doctors etc...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado
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    That's all the more reason to make it private as it must be a better system if people are being paid more... i expect better management and more efficient...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭ _Brian
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    Let’s look to American healthcare to see how extensive private health services have worked out, these are profit making institutions, a nation shouldn’t hand over its health to nothing but profit seeking investors. Always remember, the board of a plc primary responsibility is profits for investors.

    lack of accountability is the biggest failure in the health services. Other than that it’s an excellent organisation



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1
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    On the apprenticeship at the moment the bulk of the work is on a state owned asset a fitter for the client told me one day i was blessed to be serving my time with the crowd im with his apprentice will end up with a nervous breakdown after his time served if hes not kept on and has to go out in the real world for work. He reckons its only a retirement home for broke up and beat up fitters over 50.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭ herdquitter
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    Even back in the late 50's, early 60's my parents were living in the US. Great country they said, just don't get sick.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado
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    Its no an organization.... it is not organized in any of what i see happening...

    There is no way front-line health care be private.... admin and only this is what i am talking of....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭ Suckler
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    Not even remotely true. It's a pub story done to death. I've heard the same one about IT equipment/CS furniture/County Council Machinery etc.

    Edit: There's also the one about the refugee from Nigeria/Romania or the traveller mother that try to get on the bus with the pram but leave it behind because "HSE will give them a new one every week" etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭ enricoh
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    You know best lad. Hope ye getting proper funding from now on too! Anyone with any issues about the hse squandering dough are just jealous eh!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭ mahoney_j
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    There’s truth in it …..ever see roads been resurfaced comming near end of year …often saw roads been done that absolutely nothing wrong with …..money in budget …has to be used up or budget cut next year ….or election comming up and local councillor has to be waving his todjer over something ….elements of public service stink



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭ Suckler
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    Of course.....I must work for the HSE/civil service....🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,092 ✭✭✭✭ Base price
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    It's not stupidity, it's lack of accountability.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭ Suckler
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    You think stupidity is exclusive to the Civil Service?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭ GNWoodd
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    “ It won’t be solved until the public service works like the private sector . “

    That statement illustrates how poorly you understand how the sectors differ. The public service will only work properly when it’s management have the balls to tell politicians to fcuk off . And the people stop running to politicians to get them what they are not entitled to .

    Today, so called managers and CEOs within the public service are beholden to politicians and this cannot end well



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler
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    Anywhere that you can't be fired can't be good, I know a nurse who has three years sick leave taken and still skiving.

    If there was a covid on the farm, you'd just get the work done, I don't know how any one could be over worked in a 38hr week.

    They want to try the 120hr lambing/ calving weeks



  • Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭ GNWoodd
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    Why didn’t you join the public service then if it was / is that easy ?

    Who knows - You might have become a member of a trade union that actually represented its members



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler
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    We alaways represented the hardest working and most productive members, public service would be a bit short on those😂 😂😎



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler
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    I have huge sympathy for those vaccnated patients in ICU or waiting to get into ICU.

    At the moment 50% of ICU is taken up by the unvaccinated which is about 10%of the population, surely only the thckest of the unvaccinated wouldn't see the light now



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭ herdquitter
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    So IFA didn't represent IFA members it held a particular view on. Interesting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭ SouthWesterly
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    I've worked most of my life in the private sector and more recently the civil service.

    I work my full day as I did in thr private sector. My work and productivity is monitored just like it was in the private sector.

    I don't know any civil servants sitting at home watching Netflix as some would have you believe

    On health, I've experienced both sectors as a patient

    One has all services running at least late into the night and weekends the other Monday to Friday. One is dependent on private funding the other on the whims of politicians making funds available to increase staff and services knowing that doing that will involve increased taxes and them not getting into power next time round. They're put into power by the likes of us because they got a pothole fixed on our road or passport expedited for the holidays to majorca. We get the system we deserve.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ Easten
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    I've done plenty contract work for both the private and public. within each there are different employers, from the Multinationals to the small independents. Without a shadow of doubt the handiest numbers I've seen folks working in is for the multinationals. I remember one occasion where we were validating a new system and were due to get results this morning, I went into the control room, the operators were all there having the banter, watching youtube, checking private emails, to make it worse nobody was keeping an eye on production and they had used wrong work instructions that was not spotted till we arrived which was 3 days into the campaign. It must have cost the Multinational close to a million between lost production, outside contractors and their own staffs wages. It just beggared belief that not one person saw the road for this, not even a slap on the wrist.

    In contrast I've seen health care assistants ran off there feet in those Hospitals, some of them getting a right dogging from the nurses, again it beggared belief that they could hold onto any staff to do the work they were doing for the money they were on.

    In the public service there are 2 regimes. The old and the new. I know of a retired lad out of the urban council who was over the water-supply in the town. On retirement he got a golden handshake of 125k, and has a pension paying more per week than the man who got his job, again this beggars belief but this is Ireland for you.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭ timple23
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    Is it cheaper in the long run for the HSE to hire all these private agency staff? No pensions, sick pay, PRSI to worry about.



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