The future of the British monarchy after QE?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165182#Comment_118165182

I'll leave you too, to keep toeing the 'party' line.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165228#Comment_118165228

🙄🙄🙄

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165200#Comment_118165200

Unless you mean being 95 is itself being seriously ill. She has been carrying out an arduous number of engagements for years. It borders elder abuse.

Quite a number of people her age are suffering from dementia. She has a bad back and possibly a huge number of age related conditions. She's actually in great shape for someone 95. To think she's on the way out any time soon is a shot in the dark.

bmc58

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165234#Comment_118165234

Time will surely tell.

Brucie Bonus

Its about identity for many of them. There will always be a monarchy in some form. If you stuck a donkey on the throne it wouldn't make much difference, as long as it wasn't black.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164957#Comment_118164957

That's not why the working class likes her or the whole institution of the monarchy.

Support for the monarchy would be very strong among the working class, even when the working class voted Labour.

Spanish Eyes

Charles is no angel. Look at him (allegedly) fishing for MORE money for his ahem, charities, via yer man Fawcett. Has he not got enough already from his own wealth. He denies all accusations of course. I hear he is a stickler for having his newspapers ironed by a valet before he reads them in the morning, so I'm sure the valets do a lot more besides this nonsense.

However I think what has done Queenie in is the antics of her "Golden Child" Andrew and her protection of him re the allegations surrounding his associations with Geoffrey Epstein.

Oh Lordy. The end is nigh.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165254#Comment_118165254

touts

Short term I'd say Boris is hoping she does indeed pop her clogs before Christmas as a month of national morning would get them past the shortages of Christmas and allow him shelve the trade war with the EU until the new year.

Long term Charles will slim down the monarchy big time. All the expensive family hangers on will be cut off. He s started it already with Major Hewitt's young fella being banished to the US. He'll do this for 5 to 10 years and then William will inherit a much smaller but more modern monarchy.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165234#Comment_118165234

It would be funny if her mind went to mush in the final years, like her husband. He was a bit of craic tbf - prince of Edinburgh. Much more interesting than her.

If I was a monarch, I'd probably go around insulting people and not giving a toss like him. lol

In one sense, I sort of admire them. They're a crafty bunch of chancers, keeping the gig going longer than most.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164353#Comment_118164353

What a load of rubbish. If the people do decide to abolish the monarchy, they will have also get to decide the head of state, possibly a President for fixed terms. At the moment, the people have no say in who the head of state is.

NIMAN

For someone who didn't want the role in the first place, she bloody hung on to it tightly rather than pass it to her son.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164877#Comment_118164877

She is dying now slowly. Medical care, the best will be given but that won't change it. Her mother dying at 105 won't change that.

Will she make Christmas?

The death pallor is there.

I wouldn't wish anybody's mind goes to mush. I appreciate you're trying to be controversial.

I've no beef with the British Queen.

Danzy

I don't have a problem with her but it's fairly obvious the rate she has declined in the last 11 months, even the way she walks, her face, colour etc, her shoulders disappearing, a wasting away.

I've no doubt if she did not have whatever is carrying her, that she could have gone on for years more.

It's not as if people haven't seen someone decline or die before, its obvious.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165494#Comment_118165494

Nah, I just find them an amusing oddity. That's all really.

Edinburgh was like someone plucked from a bygone era. Walking around in a daze, pretending he was still in the Victorian times. Always had a good chuckle at his antics. The fact that most of them are completely oblivious to how they come across, is pretty funny.

There is all sorts of privilege in this world, of course, but monarchy must be one of the most surreal examples.

NickNickleby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164886#Comment_118164886

Have to say, I don't follow it closely enough to know the stats, so my opinion is based largely on what I read/hear/see in the media. That 41% seems surprisingly high, but I wouldn't be putting my money on it becoming something. If I remember it correctly, young people were predominantly pro-Remain, and if they'd got off their arses they'd have saved their country a lot of heartache.

I'd say you're bang on with the Camilla thing, but can't imagine he'd be so daft. I read beyond your post and saw someone saying that the general public probably see the Charles/Diana/Camilla thing as the three of them being victims of the establishment. Thinking back to the time of her death, I don't recall a huge anti-Charles sentiment. So, its his to lose, so to speak.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165748#Comment_118165748

The royals were probably at one of their lowest ebbs with the public at the time Diana died. Such was the demand they had to make a public appearance even though they didn't seem to want to. There was huge anger with Charles over how she was treated after too. The British are silly about Diana and I don't see that diminishing.

With the queen gone, I think all bets will be off with the public. The whole Andrew debacle could yet do serious damage.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164957#Comment_118164957

You may be spot-on there.

A work colleague of mine spent 11 years living & working in the United States of America.

His work took him across the country,spending months at a time in different states.

His accounts of the stark poverty he encountered once off the countrys main-streets really opened my eyes.

Yet,one of the most ingrained notions the poverty stricken American possesses,is the CERTAINTY that the Million Dollar chip is just around the corner.

Very few of the legions of poor,forgotten,often elderly Americans would ever countenance tinkering with the American Dream,for them the Freedom to be poor over rides the reality of being poor,and woe betide anybody who suggests Communist **** such as Social Welfare or Universal Medical care.

Proud "Veterans" living in Tent Cities around Los Angeles,Las Vegas,or even Washington D.C would fight tenaciously against such Socialist ideas.

So too,it is with the British Monarchy..."Dieu et Mon Droit" 😁

NickNickleby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165956#Comment_118165956

I saw that as extreme feelings for Diana, and a suspicion of the Royal Family, which I believed was more directed at the Queen and 'establishment' Royals, rather then specifically Charles. Certainly you're right that the Queen IS the Royal Family right now, and has an image of calm and above petty squabbles, and that obviously goes down well. To a certain extent I think the British public will sympathise with her 'predicament' vis-a-vis Andrew, and Harry and Meghan. But I still think Charles will do well, and as I described them , the 'golden couple' will reinforce the fairy tale royalty that will go down well.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118166335#Comment_118166335

I wouldn't be too hopeful given the family propensity for scandal and no little deviance.

NickNickleby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118166372#Comment_118166372

Hahaha, you're not wrong there. But I think they've enough teflon coating to protect themselves. I think the British view the the Royal Family the same way some here view the Irish Catholic Church - a fine institution with a few bad apples.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118166468#Comment_118166468

The 'view' of the church changed very quickly here and their status/power as a consequence.

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164400#Comment_118164400

She can't abdicate in favour of "Wills", the line of sucession is written into law. Only way that could happy if Charles abdicates after his mother does.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165131#Comment_118165131

Not sure if it will have any significance in Scotland (who have talking the question for a while now) or NI but in other commonwealth countries where she was nominally the head of state you could see some movement

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165733#Comment_118165733

For you it maybe a chuckle but let me tell you as someone who had a family member losing some faculties before death it is anything but funny

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164954#Comment_118164954

I think there should be a new national anthem. Camilla should change her name to Caroline and then the Neil Diamond song should be adopted😀

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118167093#Comment_118167093

As have I.

And they would constantly laugh about it too. Depends on the person involved.

Some people are capable of seeing the humorous side of illness and old age.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118167142#Comment_118167142

Good for you but I can say it my case it was far from a chuckling one

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164877#Comment_118164877

This seems to be more than a sore back, she has been unwell for few weeks. She couldn't go to Northern Ireland for the do Micky D turned down.

Probably still heart broken at the hubby passing not so long ago too. That can age people quite quickly at that age.

NickNickleby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118166544#Comment_118166544

that's true, but they're still here. They still have a voice, and must still have tacit support in the country, else how would they survive? So, I suspect the British Royal Family will similarly survive. these institutions are greater than the sum of their parts.

It will be a slimmed down Monarchy which Charles at the helm. Camilla is a fantastic asset. The British people have taken to her slowly but I think she is well liked now. I also think the scales are being removed from many yes regarding the "poor Diana" narrative.

There is no love lost between him and Andrew so it will be interesting to see how things play out there. He will no longer have the protection of his mam.

Although Beatrice and Eugenie are valued and close to their extended family I think. In order to be kind to them there won't be a complete ostracisation of Andrew in my opinion.

The Queen will pass before the year is out or early next year. She looked great after Philip died (funny that....) and seemed in good form. Time has finally catched up with her.

She is part of the fabric of British society in a way the other Royals aren't. She has been a constant presence in the lives of many. I think Liz will be a massive loss to them.

Charles won't have the same long life but I'd be very surprised if he abdicated. William will take the throne in 10/15 years.

Edward, Sophie and Louise will have a more active role and that will be the extent. William's 2 youngest will be encouraged to have as regular a life as is possible and to have jobs.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118167640#Comment_118167640

I can easily imagine her death to be a shock to everyone's system, not to mention Britain. The nearest comparison of what I think we can expect is reaction to when Queen Victoria died. She's been around so long that it is enough to know that when you talk about The Queen, it's automatically her and not some other monarch.

That's going to be a weird adjustment where the world will have a King Charles...although my gut tells me that there's little chance of him also being simply known as The King. He won't be around long enough, and for so long he's been Prince Charles.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168096#Comment_118168096

I think some other bunch of people in the UK should declare themselves as the new British monarchy.

Richard Branson or someone perhaps. Just build a palace, and a new set of crown jewels. Completely usurp the Germans over in buckingham.

What are they gonna do? Behead them for treason? lol

They have no power, anyone could walk around with a crown and call themselves king or queen.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168254#Comment_118168254

Well basically that is how it begins.

There are some who believe in 'blue or royal' blood.

My partner tells me that Elizabeth believes fully in 'the divine right of Kings(Queens)' and that is why she hasn't abdicated the throne for Charles.

Don't know if that is true and haven't the will or desire to check, but it is even mad to countenance that such nonsense exists.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118176291#Comment_118176291

Jaysus🙄🙄🙄

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118176911#Comment_118176911

Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Her official title timberrr ^ 'jaysus' as right. Mad to think there are people who believe that stuff, worse than the Roman Catholics.

ancapailldorcha

I was fairly lukewarm about the monarchy. I love reading history and thought it was somewhat nice that this piece of historical traditional had endured here. The Prince Andrew scandal just brought home the fact that it's an abomination in this day and age. We should have the right to choose the head of state and some cabal of inbred wretches just isn't good enough for a modern democracy.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118176992#Comment_118176992

You said

"My partner tells me that Elizabeth believes fully in 'the divine right of Kings(Queens)' and that is why she hasn't abdicated the throne for Charles."

Did she write that above herself?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118177500#Comment_118177500

I have no idea Timberrr.

If you call yourself thon title though, is it hard to believe she might have a smidgin of belief in the old concept?

It did exist you know, the belief...people genuinely believed in that tosh. At the end of the day, this whole set - the monarchy - feel entitled to be what they are, by dint of being born into it. There ain't no other entrance exam.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118177671#Comment_118177671

She didn't called herself that, it's titles bestowed upon her by different places, a simple Google search would have (and probably did) tell you that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Elizabeth_II

"Upon Elizabeth's accession to the throne, she was asked by her Private Secretary what her regnal name would be, to which she responded, "My own, of course—what else?"

"whereas, in Australia,[6] New Zealand, and the United Kingdom,[7] she was proclaimed as Queen Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of this Realm and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178482#Comment_118178482

The old official/party sources again Timberrr?

Look, if she wanted to reform it, she could have, her title is what it is.

The fact remains, this is a set of people who think they are born entitled to this status, whether decreed by god or one of the corgi's.

It is essentially archaic bollix that has no place anywhere in the world if you want to call yourself a democrat.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178564#Comment_118178564

Yeah well as I said earlier in the thread frankie, we all know your feelings when it comes to anything British so I will just leave you to broil in your own simmering hatred.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178570#Comment_118178570

No, lots of British things I love and adore Timberrr...this is your familiar refrain when you cannot defend the bad things I don't like about Britain.

I detest the idea of monarchy anywhere in the world as I have told you before.

So, do you like archaic systems of nobility were a select few are 'born' into a cossetted wealthy elite? Leave the British queen out of it and talk about how this entitlement sprinkles down through the class system?

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118176992#Comment_118176992

Still a pale shadow of

@Timberrrrrrrr

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@FrancieBrady

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Beasty

Don't think ending Quantitative Easing will have much impact on them at all. There will still be a few castles, the odd racecourse and half of Scotland to pass onto the next generation.....

😀

Leg End Reject

She's really not looking well.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59322086

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118182190#Comment_118182190

She looks... like a 95 year old.

Can someone point out a pic of a healthier looking 95 year old woman? I'll wait.

The only thing surprising about that video is that she wasn't wearing gloves.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118182190#Comment_118182190

When 95 years old you reach