Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152120#Comment_118152120

No, I'm saying that "victim" is not allowed when the point of the case is to establish whether or not the people in question were victims. And that it is allowed when there is a clear cut victim, regardless of the crime. A self defense trial is pretty unique in the sense that it establishes whether or not a crime occurred, and therefore whether or not any victims exist.

As for the t-shirt, his remorsefulness is not at issue, and would not be at issue or taken into account until such a time as it's established that a crime took place. There is no expectation that an innocent person should be remorseful. I can think of plenty of cases where I would not be remorseful about killing someone I believed to be in the process of attempting to murder myself or a family member, for example. Would you want the defense to be able to enter a bunch of videos of Kyle crying about the incident, if they exist?

Melanchthon

Oh and here is the kicker, there's actually a trial going on that if your concerned about racist shootings is for them. Those three white lads in a pickup that gunned down an unarmed black lad after driving after him.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152249#Comment_118152249

Grosskreutz at no point attempted to disarm Rittenhouse. Grosskreutz at no point touched or reached for Rittenhouse's gun.

Where the hell are you getting your info from? lol

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152194#Comment_118152194

I am looking at it objectively - I have repeatedly stated he'll get off on this.

On the race thing, it is simply a fact. Time and time again young white shooters get an easy ride making people sympathise with them (though you wouldn't believe it from whining from the right). I'd have no problem with the narrative you stated above but here is the 'liberal' NYT post on the case trying to build up sympathy:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1458469521514184708?s=20

bewareofthedog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152249#Comment_118152249

Did he, or did he not admit in court that Rittenhouse only fired the shot after he walked up to Rittenhouse and pointed the gun directly at him?

I mean I doubt you believe it but you'd have to be one dumb individual to point a gun at someone in the middle of a riot where people have been shot and killed seconds earlier expecting a peaceful disarmament.

You are embarrassing yourself.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152208#Comment_118152208

Rittenhouse claimed in court yesterday he wasn't proficient at all, contradicting evidence given by his friend.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151695#Comment_118151695

Did any authorities ask civilians for help?

There are other organisations in America that can be brought out to assist the police, should they be needed.

Pretty sure asking 17 year old teenagers to arm themselves to protect businesses is never going to happen.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152250#Comment_118152250

So are you saying victim is never allowed in cases when there is potentially self defense?

I'd agree remorsefulness wasn't an issue until his antics yesterday. He opened the door to it by putting on the show for the jury, now the jury should be allowed into his other actions

bewareofthedog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152284#Comment_118152284

In what way are they building up sympathy? Just because you don't like the headline doesn't make it untrue or slanted in favour of Rittenhouse.

They didn't state in the headline he was attacked initially, did they?

MrMusician18

Isn't all acting fake op?

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152236#Comment_118152236

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152236#Comment_118152236

No it isn’t

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152284#Comment_118152284

That's your biased interpretation.

They were stating known facts about the guy. You chose to see it as "building sympathy".

And there is no factual basis for your assertion that white shooters get an easy ride. Again, just showing your inability to be impartial and objective when looking at this case.

You certainly do seem obsessed with race. I feel sorry for people who cannot see past race / skin color.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152249#Comment_118152249

You're taking it out of context. He falls on the ground, he get kicked in the head, he gets struck with skateboard, its on video all the goading going on by the crowd, this is all happening within seconds, he sees a guy approaching with a gun at point blank range, who then points the gun at him, Rittenhouse only shoots in response to the gun being aimed at him, and then only once. The guy with the pistol holds up his hand, and backs off, then so does Rittenhouse.

Active shooter. They hadn't seen anyone shooting, before they attacked him. Just doesn't hold water.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152317#Comment_118152317

No, I'm explaining why the judge disallowed "victim" in this case and what the rationale was. "Never allowed" is a very absolute statement that can almost certainly be disproven.

Rittenhouse's distress yesterday seemed like a genuine panic attack to me, but in any case you didn't answer my question: should the defense be able to put into evidence videos of Rittenhouse crying and being distressed about the case, if such videos exist?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152208#Comment_118152208

Do you always defend things based on the law of the land they occurred in rather than your own perception of what is right?

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152323#Comment_118152323

They also didn't mention that he admitted in court he didn't have sufficient training to do any of the things he claims he was trying to do

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152250#Comment_118152250

But we are not in an American court so we can refer to them as victims of a shooting. Right?

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152359#Comment_118152359

One correction to that - Grosskreutz turned around still holding the pistol (he wa likely unable to release it given the nature of his injuries), and ran back up the road cradling his injured, gun-holding arm and shouting "MEDIC! MEDIC!" as he went.

Rittenhouse got up and headed toward the police, where he approached with his hands up in order to—he says—turn himself in to them and explain that he had shot people, but the police turned him away.

Brussels Sprout

https://twitter.com/NickAtNews/status/1458820790007308300

This judge just keeps on giving

https://twitter.com/NickAtNews/status/1458823895969112068

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152339#Comment_118152339

There is plenty of evidence out there regarding the treatment of different races in the media but I'm in no way surprised that you do not see it due to your own biases.

I similarly feel sorry for people who have their head in the sand like you do when it comes to the different treatment of people by their race - it just shows you don't care about others that aren't like you. Ignorance isn't impartiality.

bewareofthedog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152378#Comment_118152378

Nor did they mention the guy initially lying about not having the handgun to police. Those details don't matter in the whole - if you want to find out what happened go watch the numerous videos from different angles and find the truth, it's there waiting for you. Good luck

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152396#Comment_118152396

You can refer to them as saints for all I care. I was specifically discussing the judge's refusal to allow that language in court with an ongoing interlocutor.

Fill your boots, chief.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152138#Comment_118152138

They didn't know there was a crime scene. It wasn't in their line of sight. In the video there's all sort of noises of firecrackers perhaps even shots in the distance. There loads of people around with weapons. Loads of people shouting. There is literally 60 secs between both shootings.

You're crediting them with knowing things that we only know, and tbh that some people in this thread are still get the basic facts wrong even with a load of videos and maps and drone footage.

Your logic seems to be they saw (which they didn't) Rittenhouse shoot someone who approached (attack) him then decide to do exactly the same thing. Makes no sense.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152339#Comment_118152339

In regards to the race obsessed, this has been doing the rounds on Twitter. It's actually annoying, because even if every person he shot/killed was black, it wouldn't change a thing. These people honestly think that if anything bad ever happens to a black person, that racism is always the reason. These racial laws they've created, never apply to Europeans though, which makes no sense at all.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152453#Comment_118152453

He racked it again it's because he either had a miss fire or jam it's the only reason you would rack an AR15 type rifle ,

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152376#Comment_118152376

When discussing a court case, I'd hope so. Your own morality has nothing to do with the outcome, so it serves little purpose.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152467#Comment_118152467

There is no racking of the weapon on the video evidence. At all.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152404#Comment_118152404

What the f...

The state of this. Grandstanding during a murder trial and the second tweet implies that he knew the witness being called was a veteran.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152491#Comment_118152491

There's good odds where ever you are in the States there's a veteran of something nearby.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152486#Comment_118152486

But yet grosskreutz said he racked his rifle between shooting Huber and himself , which suggests he either had a miss fire or jam ,

All while under threat of death from a baying mob, you wouldn't be that calm and collected with no experience shooting the rifle bar once when his mate actually bought it