You know the politicians and the Government are delusional and so out of touch when

AMKC

They think there will be a million electric cars on the roads whitin the next 9 years lol. Not a hope as much as I would love the see far less dinosaur cars on outer roads and more electric cars it's just not realistic or feasible. A far more sensible target would have been 100000 or 200000 then if it match that or exceeds it they can say they succeeded unlike in 2030 when we get there and there are not even 500999 electric cars on the roads. They will have failed to meet there targets set. Big mistake.

So what does everyone else think of this and what give aways tell you that these politicians are living in a fairy land of there own?

StupidLikeAFox

Remember all the promises made 9 years ago? Me neither

They ban cutting turf,prefering to import it by boatload to be moved by truck to same bogs and tipped onto existing turf and used here instead

What am i missing here??

Their proposals for rural bus services are so underwhelming:

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/midland-tribune/687006/offaly-to-see-increases-in-bus-connectivity-under-new-plan.html

I just see this as an admission that Rural bus services are simply not viable in any meaningful way.

SupplyandDemandZone

Politicians promise stuff all the time that are outlandish to make them look good but this particular promise is about the funniest thing i've ever heard from any government. I'll be shocked if they even reach 250,000 electric cars by that date.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118120504#Comment_118120504

A Tullamore to Tullamore bus lol. What does it do drive from one end of Tullamore to the other lol? 10 min trip lol.

Fingerboard to Condron Concrete would be 5.4km...but I think that text in report is a typo.

Finty Lemon

When they think a second hand scheme for electric cars is the solution to an emissions crisis...

Cookie_Monster

VW reckon 40% of production will be EV by 2028 I think it was, you'd imagine the general market will broadly follow that level.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Mininum unit pricing for alochol. Not so much the idea, but the pretence that it was being done for health reasons and nothing to do with profiteering publicans.

Of course it was...

Strumms

They make these outlandish promises now so that they’ll get votes now.

when they can’t and don’t deliver they’ll blame all the other parties.

Atlantic Dawn

Inspecting Irish trawlers unloading fish caught in Irish waters when they pull in to port but not doing this to any foreign vessels at any Irish port. Foreign trucks load the fish and away they go back to base with zero inspection with zero economic benefit to Ireland.

Not allowing a LNG terminal to be built so that the country would have both a storage facility for gas and additionally the ability to access the gas market without going to Russia every time.

Banning nuclear power generation in the country yet accepting the very same power from UK and France.

Rural broadband scheme, by the time it's complete the speeds promised will be obsolete.

fritzelly

Really quite ludicrous to think there will be a million EV cars on the road

Charging stations are few and far between. The majority of people have on street parking so no chance of a home charging port

Is this a Green Party idea?

namloc1980

They expect people to borrow and pay interest to fund all this retrofitting and EVs. They want average citizens to become indebted to meet their fantasy plans of 1m EVs on the road and 500k retrofits by 2030. Insane stuff.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058216507/you-know-the-politicians-and-the-government-are-delusional-and-so-out-of-touch-when

I'd give a million EV,s a much better chance than a reduced national herd, neither FF or FG will seriously confront farmer's

alias no.9

Unless they count electric bikes and scooters, there's not a hope of anything close to 1m EVs, it's pie in the sky nonsense. It would require pretty much every new car sold in Ireland to be an EV for the rest of the decade.

I have no issue with a target of EV's outselling ICE cars in a few years time but manufacturers are nowhere near ready for that yet, never mind 100% EV's.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058216507/you-know-the-politicians-and-the-government-are-delusional-and-so-out-of-touch-when

its doable, but the state would have to step up to it, but under modern political and economic ideologies, its more than likely not doable, so......

Mickeroo

It's only a delusion if they actually intended for it to happen to begin with. Same as any other climate target they spout this week, it wont be met, they know it wont be met, they wont even try to meet it and they won't care when they dont meet it.

whisky_galore

Voting themselves pay rises while people sleep on the streets.

Proposing wolf reintroduction.

Sleepy

The deep retrofit stuff is a huge mis-step imo. You're talking €35,000 to €75,000 to do this work... subsidising this via grants is just handing taxpayers money to the already wealthy and with payback times that make no financial sense in most cases. It's great that we've increased the standards for new builds but if they want to encourage more to upgrade existing insulation and heating systems it would be far more beneficial to remove the VAT (or even apply a negative VAT rate) to the building materials rather than running expensive and bureaucratic rebate schemes whereby the grants just get absorbed into tradesmen's profits.

As a simple example: paying someone to insulate your attic costs anywhere from 1 - 2k depending on the square footage with a grant of €400 available. That €400 would pretty much cover the cost of the rockwool to insulate most standard 3/4 bed houses and there are no doubt thousands of homes in Ireland where the homeowner would happily do the job themselves (or persuade a handy friend or family member to do it for them) if the material costs were effectively covered for them but simply don't have the spare grand or two to pay someone to do it for them (and it's not like the trades are short of work atm!).

Meirleach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122169#Comment_118122169

Man that whole wolf reintroduction idea is a mess. I do think we need some larger predators especially to keep the deer population in check.

But surely you'd start with Lynx, deer are one of their preferred prey and they hate people and open ground making it way less likely that Lynx would damage livestock or people.

JimmyVik

Leo reckons anyone on €50k shouldnt be paying tax at the high rate.

How long has he had the power to implement this? And yet he hasnt. Spoofer.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122284#Comment_118122284

Have Lynx ever been in Ireland before do? What about Fox's would they mot hunt dear?

How many Wolf's are in Ireland now?Is it just a few in the Zoos I suppose and maybe in the park in Cork or wherever it is.

castletownman

It's easy to know that crusty gobshite of an Eamon Ryan has never had to commute beyond the city centre, has never worked a day of his life in a farm or had to travel to Dublin from rural areas for hospital appointments.

He is eating kale and asparagus in cloud cuckoo land.

Mad_maxx

get rid of VRT tax and many will happily buy an EV

touts

When the Leftie politicians think we're all going to lose our minds, hoist the red flag and vote for them to march us into the equal squalor for all that East Europe revolted against 30 years ago.

"Trots. Ignoring mass murder by their heroes for 100 years."

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122493#Comment_118122493

How much does VRT bring in annually? If they got rid of it they'll just gouge it out of you somewhere else.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122284#Comment_118122284

We no longer have vast expanses of wilderness.

COP26, an excuse for a piss up. How many trips a year by plane or private helicopter, other transport?

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122556#Comment_118122556

How much are each of them drinking, do you know?

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122213#Comment_118122213

I did my attic during the summer and the rolls of insulation cost about €450 but I couldn't claim the SEAI grant because I didn't get some contractor in who would've charged me 3 times the price for the same job. It's all a scam.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122681#Comment_118122681

Pretty much my point exactly - if they reduced the cost of the materials rather than giving cashback for work done via registered contractors you'd have been able to do the job for about €50 (and any tradesmen could pass along the discount in material costs if they wanted to).

I genuinely believe you'd see a lot more people doing the job if this approach was adopted.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122169#Comment_118122169

TDs haven't had the ability to 'vote themselves pay rises' for years (decade or so).

Their salaries are linked to specific public sector roles, which are set by negotiation with unions and not by the Dail.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122730#Comment_118122730

Any part payment grant causes the cost of the item to grow by the value of the grant. The old FTB and new HTB house buyer grants have done it, the SEAI grants have done it.

I think insulating my attic cost about 200 quid, a destroyed hoodie/gloves and some masking tape to tape myself in to my clothes to do it. And a horrible afternoon. Absolutely not something I'd pay an extra 1500 or so to someone else for though even if I notionally got some back in a grant!

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122565#Comment_118122565

Oh the turbines no-one wants near their houses?

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122755#Comment_118122755

That's exactly my point - the grant is expensive to administrate, doesn't reduce the cost of the work to the homeowner and, as such, fails to serve it's purpose (of encouraging people to upgrade the insulation in their homes). If you address the same issue by waving the 13.5% VAT on the materials (or even using a negative rate to subsidise the materials) you encourage more people to go the DIY route (as it's more affordable than previously) and for those who don't want to DIY the cost of the installers labour is more visible allowing them to compare prices more easily (perhaps even reducing the inflationary effect of the current grant system on this).

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123128#Comment_118123128

I remember some guy from the SEAI being asked about that very thing by a reporter in the last year or so. Let homeowners benefit directly with lower costs at source and do the easy jobs themselves like attic insulation to cut out the middle man. His answer was basically that people couldn't be trusted to do it right etc. We're so infantilised in this country.

Sleepy

Wonder how much he was paid to say that?

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122736#Comment_118122736

Old boys clubs nest feathering, not much of an improvement tbh.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123392#Comment_118123392

The answer he didn't want to give is that they "need" the BER cert (which they pay for) to validate the claim of what energy consumption they can say they've saved. Only because that's the system they've designed though.

Meirleach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122317#Comment_118122317

Foxes are too small to take down adult deer, they can take fawn but I believe it's rare enough.

Lynx went extinct in the UK around 700AD, they've found Lynx remains here but aren't sure when they died out here or how large a population we had.

Hyperbollix

2010 - "Diesel is the future. It's so much greener. Switch to diesel! Chape tax! Be a good citiizen, go diesel!"

2020 - "Electric is the future. It's so much greener. Switch to electric. Chape tax! Be a good citizen, go electric!"

2030 - "Hydrogen is the future, it's so much greener. Switch to hydrogen. Chape tax! Be a good citizen, go hydrogen!"

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123392#Comment_118123392

Its all about certification now.

At every stage of construction

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122213#Comment_118122213

I'm building at the moment. Spending shed loads on insulation, airtightness and the rest but why the hell am I paying vat on it. It bs from these clowns in government as per usual. Not going for grant's waste of time.

No incentive whatsoever.

rossie1977

Ireland are miles off meeting their emissions requirements so the government have to try and say something..

We should be looking at Norway on this issue. By 2018 appropriately 1/3 of all vehicles sold in Norway were electric and in one particular month in 2018 almost 60% were electric.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118126859#Comment_118126859

I'm ok with this if you give me my free electric car and somewhere to plug it in.

Sonics2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122493#Comment_118122493

Pretty much this. The current costs of EV's are incredibly restrictive. Even having a look at the second hand market right now on Donedeal I'm seeing EV's and Hybrids from 2008 (and older) going for around 5k. And it's not as if those batteries will be in as good condition after all these years, and you can't exactly hop down to your local mechanic to pop in a few one.

Mr. teddywinkles

Has anyone looked at the ACTUAL range of most electric vehicles. Especially winter ranges. There fairly shite lads.

vriesmays

A united Ireland. Will never happen. A country that promotes diversity yet has no elected unionist tds.

AMKC

So this year so far there have been 98,854 new cars sold and our delusional Government thinks there is going to be a million electric cars on Irish roads by 2030 lol.

Not a hope.