COP 26 Climate Change Summit 2021

sporina

So, they all met in Glasgow today - wondering, did they all fly there?

There are pictures of over 40 private jets parked at the airport.

And how boring must it be to sit there all day and listen to speech after speech after speech all saying the same thing?

Rhetoric Showcase.

Nell B

The travel arrangements of the delegates would be the least of my worries 😀, lets see if they can come up with real implementable solutions!

magicbastarder

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/01/biden-bolsonaro-and-xi-among-leaders-agreeing-to-end-deforestation-aoe

i suspect bolsonaro agreed to that with his fingers crossed behind his back.

SupplyandDemandZone

You are out of your mind if you think these lads are going to turn around the climate disaster. Biden fell asleep during one of the major speeches for goodness sake and then clapped like he was listening 🤣 India announced if will be 2070 yes that right 2070 by the time they will be carbon neutral but at least they turned up, China couldn't have been arsed.

The whole thing is a show to make it look like they care.

political analyst

Will the idea of cloud-seeding in order to lower the global temperature be discussed at the summit? The inducing of snowfall might be more effective than reducing the eating of meat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Danzy

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/cop26-it-s-a-bit-too-white-and-elite-says-mary-robinson-1.4716444

Mary Robinson, Bertie was a Junior B Charlatan in comparison to this All Star.

sporina

why they could not have this meeting remotely though is beyond me...

cheezums

It's all about methane now. I guess the fossil fuel lobby is more powerful than the agricultural lobby.

magicbastarder

well, methane is a more powerful GHG than CO2...

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058215971/cop-26-climate-change-summit-2021

doubtful, id say they all walked!

political analyst

The President of Palau said at the conference that his nation is sinking. Why doesn't the international community plan land-reclamation in order to save island nations that are in danger? After all, land-reclamation worked in the Netherlands, Singapore and Hong Kong.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108499#Comment_118108499

we may have to eventually, extremely costly though

cheezums

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108380#Comment_118108380

not saying it shouldn't be tackled. it just strikes me as a huge and sudden diversion policy in a summit that should be largely focused on moving away from fossil fuels. there's been very little talk of methane leading up to this. and suddenly it's the "game changer" we need to reduce global warming. colour me deeply skeptical.

magicbastarder

https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1455632925752500233

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political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108644#Comment_118108644

Actually, the legacy of drilling for oil is a source of methane. https://www.itv.com/news/2021-08-09/how-millions-of-disused-methane-pumping-oil-wells-are-fuelling-climate-crisis

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108513#Comment_118108513

Given that failure to prevent erosion means that farms and towns and cities will cease to exist thus causing the collapse of civilisation, how can taking action to prevent erosion be too expensive? If civilisation collapses, money will be meaningless.

Cookie_Monster

They'll fail to address the single biggest cause of global warming at this conference, just like at every other one; the out of control population growth.

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110599#Comment_118110599

Imagine if there was an initiative to get all countries to reduce birth rates and make adoption seamless...

But we would have to change how the world economy works, it's based off constant growth and inflation...so we need to have more younger people to fund the pensions of the older population

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110599#Comment_118110599

it's predicted to peak at 11Bn IIRC. The main issues are providing social safety nets, improving life expectancy for children and educating and empowering women. The other issue is that more of those 11Bn won't be subsistence farmers.

One of the main drivers for population growth is to have enough children survive until they can look after you. The name of the charity Alone sums it up nicely.

Rich countries have a similar problem where carers are needed for the elderly, though the Japanese are looking at robots to take of the work.

magicbastarder

not the article i was expecting.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/05/cop26s-big-question-is-irn-bru-any-good

Funsterdelux

Climate change is not even the real problem; ecological overshoot is (Rees, 2020).  ‘Overshoot’ occurs when humanity consumes bio-resources faster than ecosystems can regenerate and waste production exceeds nature’s assimilative capacity. In effect, the growing human enterprise is literally consuming and polluting the biophysical basis of its own existence.

Overshoot is a meta-problem: climate change; plunging biodiversity; pollution of land, air and waters; tropical deforestation; soil/land degradation etc., etc., are all co-symptoms of overshoot. Climate change is an excess waste problem — CO2 is the greatest waste by weight of modern techno-industrial (MTI) economies. We cannot solve any major symptom of overshoot in isolation. Indeed, the mainstream approach to emissions reductions will not only fail to subdue climate change but, by promoting material growth, will exacerbate overshoot (Seibert and Rees, 2021). On the other hand, if we eliminate overshoot we simultaneously relieve its various symptoms. The problem is, the only way to eliminate overshoot is, by definition, through some combination of absolute reductions in energy and material consumption and smaller populations, i.e., through controlled economic contraction.

This is why we cannot expect COP-26 to address the human eco-predicament.

Thats a piece from William Rees, published here https://www.buildingsandcities.org/insights/commentaries/cop26-illusions.html

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110599#Comment_118110599

Its easy to say that in the west because most of the burden to control population growth would fall on Asia and Africa, not a white mans problem as the say. In a similar fashion many Irish say O why should we reduce or carbon footprint look at China shur, in reality the average Asian and definitely the majority of people on the African continent generate nowhere near the carbon foot print of a typical paddy, I am a full blood paddy, in fact Ireland per head of population is one of the worst emitter in the world.

Instead of saying it’s all “ China’s” fault consider the reasons why China is a big polluter, yes there population is big but a large amount of those Asian factories make cheap shite to sell in the west so in a real sense the west is to blame.

Rather then fix the population we should instead be saying fix capitalism but That would be a serious blow to capitalism.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130457#Comment_118130457

Population explosions in Asia and Africa are down to Fertilizer driven food production. As a Continent African has very little good farm land.

Nigeria, heading to 700mn by century end, has next to none.

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130481#Comment_118130481

What connection are you making twix my post and yours ?

the magican

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118104069#Comment_118104069

There answer to everything is more taxes petrol and diesel and electricity gas coal are all at a record high in price, and they wont be happy till we are living in caves with a candle eating grass. Climate change = taxes

the magican

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130114#Comment_118130114

Its all a big scam to tax the shite out of us nothing more. Climate change my arse

Funsterdelux

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144349#Comment_118144349

Im no fan of Carbon tax, Id much prefer larger corp and industry take the hit.

However we havent paid the true cost of anything since we started using oil esp. When you consider that 1 barrel of oil is approx equal to nearly 5 years of human labour (100watts)

At the moment 1 barrel = $83/€72

Ave ind wage approx = €35000? × 5 = €175,000

So in economics 72 = 175000

So how do we reconcile this? Sure machines do all the work, but as the price of energy increases(and it will due to many factors) so will the cost of running the machines.

One proposal Ive heard about is untax https://www.untax.org/

So instead of taxing labour you tax resources and materials.

Think of the positives, farmers could hire more labour to offset the price of rising fuel prices. The hospitality industry which is labour intensive could hire more people. It would really suit small businesses and help create more local industries.

A universal living wage might help in a similar way.

For every stick we need a carrot, but the carrot should come first and it should be made into a story or a vision we can all buy into. At the moment its all climate change is bad, fossil fuels are bad, cows are bad, ye are bad for using them so we re taxing you.