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Former FG Taoiseach's son's links to extreme right wing sect

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,319 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I don't disagree with most of what you said. Just that in the article he comes across as someone with issues, that maybe unfair on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Funny how we can read things so differently....I think he comes across as manipulative, calculating and entirely all too aware in the article.

    I mean anyone associated with a group like that probably has some sort of issues, but I don't believe that excuses it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Does anyone have any clue as to what views John Brutons sons alleged views have to do with the price of turnips in any way, shape or form?


    Seems to be fairly desperate stuff from OP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I think theres a big difference between far right virulent anti semitism and siding with the Palestinian people.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    I know nothing else of this man than the headline but I am still fairly confident he would have a stronger understanding of economics than any of the Sinn Fein charlatans.

    Also, just a reminder:

    Deaths because of Fascism: 18 million approx.

    Deaths because of Socialism: 100 million approx.

    https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/nazism-or-communism-which-ideology-killed-more-people-278ac44ab626



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    I wasn't making any assumptions about your politics, just trying to make the point that nutters can be found in all political parties and shades. And I have no problem with Fine Gael being right wing when it comes to economics. We had plenty of left wing spend, spend, spend, years under Fianna Fail, who bankrupted the country not once but twice in my lifetime. I have plenty of time for Varadkar's comments about the people who get up early in the morning etc. You've only to look at the amount of thuggery and anti-social behaviour in the country to see where pandering to the welfare lifestyle "I'm entitled to everything" brigade has brought us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    So to be clear, you are looking on the up side of possibly supporting a holocaust denying racist based on weighing up mass death figures and a dig at SF? The Nazis built great roads too sure 🤔 How about supporting a philosophy that doesn't involve mass murder or racism?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,319 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I think we have been through this already and shown that the man has denied being a holocaust denying racist. But you want to keep on your demented crusade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    What do you mean by 'demented crusade'? Referencing he supports such a group once or twice in a thread about it?

    What's you concern here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,319 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is a demented crusade to go after a private individual in the way that you have on here for his private alleged views, that he has denied in print. This got coverage in one tabloid and nowhere else. Taking it on here has set you on a demented crusade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    'your demented crusade' you said. I didn't create the thread. I've posted less than others. If you don't like the thread why bother?

    I think you need to contact the moderators. Telling people they shouldn't be taking part in a discussion because you don't like it seems a bit odd to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,319 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Never said you shouldn't be taking part in a discussion, just that your participation looks like a demented crusade. That is fair comment in my opinion. You are free to disagree so don't know why you are trying to shut me down.

    Where the discussion has focussed on common links of anti-semitism between far-right and far-left, it has been interesting, but the going after a private individual has been tasteless at best.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @blanch152 and @Brucie Bonus drop it please, both of you. Let's move the thread along please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    .....much like said individual's membership of a group known for holocaust denial and anti-semitism is fairly tasteless.

    I've said already that I don't think it particularly reflects in any way on current FG, but a former party member and son of a former Taoiseach isn't just your average citizen, and despite his protests to the contrary, the group in question aren't just some run of the mill Christian interest group, Blanch.

    I'd warrant you wouldn't be so reluctant to discuss private citizens who were former members of certain other parties historic membership of other distasteful organisations.....though I suspect the original post in this thread was made with the same smearing intent I suspect you'd hold with the shoe on the other foot. I'd say with confidence you'd jump in with aplomb and nary a mention of the distaste of discussing private citizens so long as they were the right party to go after.



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