"Green" policies are destroying this country

dmakc

Might help the targets if the government stopped providing and subsequently dumping hundreds of lPA tents.

Or, maybe these targets are simply a vehicle to impose taxes?

zerosquared

First Greenpeace **** up the planet by going after nuclear power making the world use more coal and oil

Now the green *****it’s are after golden rice that will lead to kids dying needlessly with vitamin a deficiency in poorest countries

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/25/greenpeace-blocks-planting-of-lifesaving-golden-rice-philippines

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168207#Comment_122168207

It doesn`t say much for this circular economy we are all being encouraged to follow.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122183742#Comment_122183742

A bunch of up their own ass lunatics that do not give a flying fcuk for anybody or anthing other than their own ideology.

According to the WHO, a well as all the other health issues due to a vitamin A deficiency, 250,000 - 500,000 who are vitamin A deficient become blind every year, and half of the die within a year of losing their sight.

dubguy45

My mistake.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168207#Comment_122168207

You have to hand it to our Minister for Tourism, she must be the most successful minister since the foundation of the state, in terms of revitalising the camping and caravanning industry.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122183742#Comment_122183742

Problem with golden rice is its overreliance on herbicides and pesticides which are unaffordable for farmers in regions where it is suggested to be introduced. They simply cant afford to grow it.

ps200306

https://www.businesspost.ie/article/ireland-will-be-unable-to-import-enough-gas-to-deal-with-extreme-cold-events/

Ireland won’t be able to import enough gas to deal with an extreme cold weather event through its pipeline with Britain in the coming years, Gas Networks Ireland has warned.

The Moffat Interconnector, Ireland’s only gas connection with the UK, will soon reach the “the limit of its technical capacity” on days of peak demand, as general energy use increases and the Corrib field off the coast of Mayo depletes its reserves.

The warning was contained in a submission to the Commission for Regulation of Utilities’ (CRU) consultation on connecting large energy users like data centres to the electricity and gas grids.

Hmmm. If only we had companies that wanted to develop our indigenous offshore gas supplies. If only we had companies that wanted to build LNG import terminals. Oh wait, we had. If only Eamon Ryan hadn't scuppered their applications and/or put them out of business.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122183742#Comment_122183742

Greenpeace is a ~$400 million per year tax efficient multinational NGO, whose business model is campaigning to raise money rather than an organization campaigning to solve problems. One of the drawbacks to a campaigning business is that once the campaign issue is solved, the campaign stops making money for the business. To overcome this, Greenpeace has found that emotionally-appealing campaigns with unrealisable "easy solutions" can be an unending source of revenue. One potential problem is that potential donors might wonder why these allegedly "easy solutions" never seem to be implemented. Greenpeace turn this "problem" into a feature, by inventing "villains" that they claim are frustrating Greenpeace’s "easy solutions". This makes Greenpeace appear to be the hero even more, leading to further fund-raising campaigns, rinse and repeat.

Dr. Michael Connolly did an analysis of their business model and published it (PDF). That's not all they do, they write & distort IPCC reports, they influence some NGOs here in Ireland via the Climate Action Network (CAN).

ancapailldorcha

The Adam Smith Institute is a mysteriously funded think tank based at 55 Tufton Street in London. It's been a source of fake news and disinformation for several years.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188836#Comment_122188836

You did not challenge any of the information said institution provided on the topic. Greenpeace is no paragon of virtue, it's been publishing fake news and disinformation for years. Greenpeace is not the same organisation it started off as in the 1970s, it is a "well oiled" organisation that knows how to grab attention and most importantly use that profile to raise money.

Here is an example of "easy solutions", back in 2014 Greenpeace stuck some solar panels in a village India and issued a press release. However, the people in the village wanted reliable power, by 2021 the solar panels were upcycled as a makeshift cattle sheds (you know circular economy), the people in the village got connected to reliable coal fired electricity generation and their standard of living improved.

If you want a look for the serious money, look for behind the scenes activities with the climate lawsuits, especially in the United States with the ExxonKnew serial litigation across several states. In the State of Minnesota, the law firm Sher Edling’s agreement with Minnesotas attorney general is 16.67% of the first $150 million recovered and 7.5% of any additional recovery, they are running this campaign across multiple states in the US, searching for a favorable judge and jury to set the precedent. The key players behind this are former Greenpeace USA members and these days associates of Greenpeace.

We're getting hurt by these "climate litigation" cases should they succeed, the well off nuisance activists don't care as long as the money keeps flowing. Speaking of serious money, would you get out of bed for less than €10 billion? I don't see Greenpeace activists landing on billionaires mega yachts, I suppose the money is well spent if you are a billionaire, you get to virtual signal your green credentials and enjoy the life. There are lobby groups on both asides as you would expect, it will not surprise you that, the climate industrial NGO complex outspends it's rivals, by substantial margin.

Fred Cryton

Greens claiming in the Business Post we will face €5bn in fines if we don't reach the 2030 target of 51% reduction.

But reading the fine print, it appears not to be a fine at all, it seems to be the case that we would be required to purchase carbon credits from countries that exceed the 51% reduction.

Who are those countries? Are there going to be any countries at all with a > 51% reduction by then? So no fines for anyone or everyone fined which means no-one fined??

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214001#Comment_122214001

Not ‘carbon credits’. Emissions allowances from the ETS. It’s an option to buy allowances from other member states at auction or to use Ireland’s allocated allowances which we would otherwise sell at auction.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214649#Comment_122214649

It really has gone beyond farce. Buy emissions allowances from the E.U. Emission Trading System (ETS) where 60% of E.U. "green energy" is from burning biomass. Even greens have pointed out that it produces more emissions than burning coal.

We might as well waste our money opening more wood burning plants like the one Edenderry in Offaly and the latest in Killala in Mayo that will import 200,000 tons of wood annually, landed in Killybegs in Donegal and then shipped to Killala by road and pretend the whole exercise is carbon neutral as putting money into a fund where the E.U. already spends €7 Billion a year subsidising.

Even An Taisce termed burning biomass in Edenderry a climate cul de sac, but have been rather quiet on Killala, But I would put that down too while they might chance giving a rap on the knuckles they are careful when it comes to biting the hand that feeds them.

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122215295#Comment_122215295

The emissions from driving by road has to be accounted for under ETS2, so that's controlled for. 50 percent of the emissions from international shipping are accountable for ETS.

Where is the line in the EU budget for subsidizing biomass? What specific reforms have you called for in relation to accounting for biomass?

Anyway, you are diverting the thread away from your concern. You feel the ETS is not expensive enough, because emissions from biomass are not fully accounted for? That's fair enough, I suppose. I can't say whether you are correct but it's an issue that surely demands attention.

How does that change anything about the overall concept of Ireland making up for over-emissions through buying allowances in the ETS?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122215768#Comment_122215768

LOL I don`t believe you are as naive on biomass emissions as you are saying. If you are the check out green think tank advocacy organisations like Ember or the Natural Resources Defense Council. Even the U.K. Dept of Energy & Climare Change 2020 report, or An Taisce who called the practice "a climate cul de sac". It was also An Taisce who claimed that the E.U. have been subsidising biomass to the tune of €7 Billion. They are a "green" NGO outfit well funded by the Irish taxpayer, so on this claim I have no need to doubt them. If you have then take it up with them.

Again I do not belive you are as naive as your post makes you appear, but perhaps I wasn`t clear enough on the ETS scam for you to understand. Classifying burning boimass as it really is would leave the E.U. with no emission allownces to sell so why in heavens name would we, or indeed anyone else, be daft enough to fork out money buying emission allowances that are nothing other than an accountancy sleight of hand.

antoinolachtnai

How would there be no emissions allowances to sell? a larger proportion of emissions allowances would be required for biofuels if what you say is true, sure. There would still be emissions allowances to sell, though the price would certainly be higher.

I don’t think you are naive at all, by the way, but I fear you might be ignorant.

Do you also think the Euro is a ‘sleight of hand’? What about Sterling? The price of crude oil? Where does this rabbit hole end?

is it just you who thinks these things are a sleight of hand, or are you part of a wider community?

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214649#Comment_122214649

Would a country need to have > 51% reduction in order to benefit from this scheme and are there any countries on track for > 51% ?

antoinolachtnai

what do you mean by benefit from the scheme? Receive a payment?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122216605#Comment_122216605

Are you actually saying that 60% of the E.U. "green" energy is not from biomass and that you somehow believe burning biomass is carbon neutral ?

Even green advocacy think tanks, after carrying out their own research, do not believe that. Not even An Taisce. It`s nothing other than a bookkeeping con job pretending otherwise is just fingers in the ears. A con job we have now embraced for Edenderry with wood coming from Brazil, of all places, being burned to generate electricity, and 200,000 tons annually to be shipped to Killybegs and then hauled to Killala by road to be burned there. And the whole exercise is carbon neutral!!

If you do then you probably believe that those E.U. Guarantee of Origin Certificates for electricity that the Advertising Standards Authority exposed for what they were, a con, were nothing other than meaningless pieces of paper that guaranteed nothing ?

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188100#Comment_122188100

Cause previous governments botched the licencing and taxing of these resources belonging to the Irish people

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122217243#Comment_122217243

You don’t think standards are high enough for biomass and that’s fair enough. You want tighter restrictions on EU industry. But it doesn’t really make everything else wrong as you claim. I realise that you are very personally and emotionally engaged about the biomass issue.

The ASAI never made the finding you describe (nor would it make much difference to anything if it had).

Can you tell us who your ‘fellow travelers’ are?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122217557#Comment_122217557

Not in the least personally or emotionally engaged about biomass. Just seeing a con job for what it is. Irony for you is a far distant planet when you are accusing someone of being emotionally engaged while on a McCarthyism like hunt for reds under the bed with your "Can you tell us who your fellow travellers are?".

So you still believe that those E.U. Certificates of Origin for electricity actually mean anything. Have you ever asked yourself why those advertisments from our so called "100% green energy providers" ceased after the ASAi got involved due to a complaint lodged with them. Did something go wrong with the magic carpet that was delivering that green electricity from Norway seeing as we have no interconnector with Norway ?

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218553#Comment_122218553

how is any of this really relevant to the ETS/cap-and-trade and how member states compensate for missing targets?

If you don’t think biomass carbon accounting is a big issue how come you go on about it like a broken record?

What is the big secret about the group of influential people who have decided the ETS is a scam? It can’t be that you are the only one?

Re the ASAI why do you continue to claim something that isn’t true, ie that ASAI decided that GoOs were a con? ASAI decided nothing of the sort.

Can you tell us your alternative proposals?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219759#Comment_122219759

Do you just imagine what replies to you should be and then answer on that basis with no replies to anything you are asked other than more questions.

I did not say i don`t see biomass carbon emissions as a big deal. Especially where it makes up 60% of the E.U. supposed green energy and has been shown to produce more emissions than even coal. You on the other hand appear to see no problem with that very dodgy E.U. book-keeping on emissions. Very strange from someone so enthused with the same authority looking to charge for emission allowances based on a failure to reach emission targets.

I take back what I said earlier. If you believe the ASAI enquiry had nothing to do with exposing the scam of electricity suppliers here advertising they were providing 100% green generated electricity, and them subsequently dropping those ads then you really are very naive.

antoinolachtnai

You accept that your comment about ASAI was wrong. That is welcome.

Do you accept that the ETS is legitimate and that its legitimacy is accepted by practically everyone?

If not do you have any alternative proposals?

If the answers are no and no, you don’t you are just driving the thread around in pointless circles.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220788#Comment_122220788

Cop on to yourself. The 100% green electricity claim by energy providers here was a scam based on the E.U. Guarantee of Origin Certificates and was exposed as so by the ASAI as those certificates not being worth the paper they were written on.

How can the ETS for emissions be legitimate when the calculating of emissions ignores that 60% of E.U. energy is being produced from a source that has more emissions than coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuels ?

My proposal is for the E.U. to cut out the codology on biomasss because the big boys and girls in the E.U. are major burners of wood and calculate the figures truthfully.

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221096#Comment_122221096

I thought you said you didn’t care about biomass? Now you are saying this is your only issue with the ETS. What reform do you propose?

Yesterday you accepted that the ASAI made no such finding. Now you are saying that they did make this finding. It’s very confusing. Can you just show us, for once and for all where the ASAI made that finding about the GoO certificates not being worth the paper they are written on?

You really do seem to be dragging us round in circles.

Beta Ray Bill

Watched this video this morning.

The Diesel Story - How the EU Pretended to Fight Climate Change While Poisoning its Citizens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8r2xnITnqA

He's a total petrol head, and does great videos on engines etc.

Basically, the Diesel mess we have at the moment only exists in Europe (I did not know this).
It was triggered by the 1973 oil crisis and the following lobbying done by car manufacturers and fuel producers.

It's actually an interesting story and explains why there is a lot of hesitation and skepticism about EV's (we were lied to before, why wouldn't be lied to again?)

I was surprised to learn that US emission standards were significantly tougher for Diesel cars than EU standards.
It kind of makes a mockery of the EU's approach to "Greeness"

It's 25 minute video and definitely worth a watch.

roosterman71

We're building/upgrading a power station in Dublin somewhere that will run on bio oil. I'd a crane driver in doing work for me at the weekend who does be up at it lifting things there. He says that they can't source enough oil so it will predominately run on diesel. And as he says himself, we'll be burning diesel in power stations to produce power for EVs to use driving on the roads.

He also said that Ireland has awful pressures on staff and plants when a plant is down for maintenance. Only one plant can be offline at a time nowadays and the pressure to get them back operational is significant, and contractors can name their price so achieve this.

Of course, this is all anecdotal. Perhaps @machiavellianme would be well positioned for more insight