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Princess Diana - was she murdered?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,750 Atlantic Dawn
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    She was killed by being in a car under the control of a drunk driver and her not wearing a seat belt contributed to this, both would have been choices within her control to make.



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    Well what's your source for this picture and why do you say that it was released years later?

    What about the picture to you indicates that she was murdered?


    Your questions are a bit leading though. Claiming that they "seem to be avoiding a bright light" is an assumption on your part. One that doesn't really bare out given the driver on the right is staring pretty wide eyed into the "light".


    The most likely explanation is that it is a paparazzi picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,209 Strumms
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    24 years have passed since her death... IF she was murdered it’s unlikely the truth will out. Mohammed Al Fayed believes the death of Diana and Dodi was murder by MI6 but he’s been thwarted at each opportunity to prove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 Peregrinus
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    I'm pretty sure I have seen this picture before. It is not recently released. A Google image search discloses that it has been used in literally hundreds of newspapers article about Diana and/or her death.

    Who took it? The same search suggests that it is credited to Jacques Langevin/PA. Langevin was one of the paparazzi who photographed Diana and Dodi as they left the Ritz, and who followed them into the tunnel.

    There's nothing in the picture to indicate whether it was taken as they pulled away from the Ritz (Diana might be looking back at somebody standing outside the hotel?) or at a later point on the journey.

    Henri Paul and Trevor-Rees Jones seem to be avoiding a bright light because they are, in fact, looking into a bright light. Note that both their faces are fully illuminated from straight in front. So is the back of Diana's head, in the back seat, so this light is pretty much at eye level, directly in front of the car, and shining right though the car and out the back.

    Extremely likely that the bright light (or lights) are the flashes from Langevin and the other paparazzi photographers.

    I see nothing in this picture to contradict, undermine or call into question the conventional account of how Diana died.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,144 robinph
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    That's not a new photo, it's well known one taken by one of the paparazzi. The bright light would be from the camera flashes. Diana would be looking at her feet to avoid the camera, and also avoid just having her photo taken.

    Drunk driver, tunnel, paparazzi with bright camera flashes distracting/ blinding the driver... Not a difficult explanation for why the car crashed.



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    Alan Partridge thinks there are questions to be answered. And that's good enough for me.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,051 Dempo1
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    No, No and just to be extra clear No.

    There is possibly a manslaughter argument given the Driver was Drunk , but an argument is all that will ever be I guess 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,144 robinph
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    Can't charge a dead person with anything though. The paparazzi could be charged with something like dangerous driving I guess, but difficult to prove without and dash cam footage which would exist these days, and not worth the effort really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,638 ohnonotgmail
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    Three of the paparazzi were charged afterwards but acquitted. They were charged with invasion of privacy for taking photographs as they lay dying after the crash not for causing the crash. The cause of the crash was a very drunk driver driving at excessive speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,402 McGinniesta
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    This is a weird one for me.

    There is questionable stuff around the accident itself but a lot of the theories to explain them are iffy too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 Tork
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    I fall down on the side of "It was an unfortunate accident" but would never completely rule out a more sinister motive. That's my imagination going into overdrive though. Apart from Diana's two sons, it was a fatality that suited the Royal Family down to the ground. I'd say most of them were glad she was gone and enjoyed the peace and quiet, until Meghan Markle stepped into the breach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 Potatoeman
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    I never understood why the Brits loved her so much. She was never the ‘peoples princess’ as she was from a noble family. She also aired out their families dirty laundry on air while her children were in boarding school. Then shacks up with a Muslim playboy millionaire when her son is going to be the future head of the English church. Both seem very selfish and short sighted. The whole thing was a sordid affair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,274 The Nal
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    She used to go to Sex Pistols gigs, she shook AIDs patients hands etc. Also her family were noble but considered "the help" by some. Divorced parents, affairs while stlll married etc.

    She wasnt murdered. Kind of difficult to guarantee you'd kill someone in that manner. And she may have been ok had she been wearing a seatbelt. Wouldve been difficult for the "murderers" to know this. If they wanted her dead they could've just bombed the car and blamed the IRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,685 NIMAN
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    I think the vast vast majority of the population think she was in a car accident, and died due to the fact it was travelling at high speed and she wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

    However, this is a forum where people will believe the daftest theories, so I have no doubt many regulars will maintain she eas whacked by the royal family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 Cyclingtourist
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    My wife has relatives in America who visited us once. I asked them where they were going next and they said to England to visit some shrine (I think it was erected by her brother) to her. These would have been second or third generation Irish-Americans.

    She was an A-list celeb with a halo. The French are big into the British royals also, just look at their glossy mags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 partyguinness
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    That pic has been around for years. Nothing controverisal- from one on the papparazzi on site I would assume. In fact, I believe the guy who took it had to jump out of the way.

    Remember this was before online/Cloud based automatic uploads so it would have be developed the old fashioned way and the camera may well have been taken as evidence for a period of time hence a delay in it being released/publically available- not like today where everything is pretty miuch in real time.

    She died in a car crash. End of as far as I am concerned. Obviously that is far too mundane and too much of a "common" way to die for some dreamers to handle.



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    OP.

    Yes.

    How?

    Mind control technology.


    I can tell you a lot about the technology, it's like cancer in the wrong hands.

    Diana's driver drank alcohol before the accident, sick puppies who use this technology use this as their weapon of choice to loosen up the mind to gain control of a host. Diana caught wind of a royal and high society pedo ring and she was knocked off.

    Check out this completely irrational pole vault off a balcony (drunk(, there's an interview with him from the hospital, he described how he got in to an argument and just jumped off the balcony. Que?

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/video-embed.html?video_id=5743292003001&embedver=orion

    I believe this was a case of murder for hire.

    I could go in to a lot more but it's late and I'm tired. The technology is about to get exposed to the world along with a huge pedo ring tied to it.

    It's connected to Prince Andrew, Epstein and Maxwell etc, and sadly McAfee.

    This is how they suicide people. Some other interesting rabbit holes you could go down with this technology are premonitions.

    The following deaths have premonitions tied to them.

    JFK

    Abe Lincoln

    The Aberfan Mine Disaster (the whole town had premonitions). Do some googling.

    Abe Lincoln pre-dates satellites, interesting, eh?

    There is no such thing as a premonition, with this technology you can create dreams and literally hack the mind and implant thoughts, imagery, feelings, control the body, see through another beings eyes.

    It's fascinating technology, but lethal in the wrong hands.

    Irish security services and AGS use it. There's not enough oversight and regulation of it, and if you go on to facebook you'll find large swathes of people giving out about being harassed by it. They're not all crazy.



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    Hard to tell what is and isn't parody these days.


    No, there's no such thing as mind control rays man.

    I remember conspiracy theorists throwing a fit when I mentioned such a theory as an example.



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    Attack the post, not the poster.

    They're referred to as scalar waves, scientifically proven by Tesla, they can transport energy and information.

    Scalar waves are two of three possible wave types, the electromagnetic wave, in 1888 discovered by Heinrich Hertz, the electric scalar wave, discovered by Tesla around 1890, and the magnetic SW, which plays the crucial role in biology [2].

    Transverse wave: longitudinal wave

    Energy dissipation: Energy conservation

    Why bother posting if you have nothing of substance to say?



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    Again, still not sure if parody or not.


    What's the source of the information you're quoting?

    It all sounds a bit like technobabble.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 Arbitrary
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    Shall we dissect the condescending psychological tone of your post scientifically? The sole purpose of which is aimed at discrediting my post.

    Why take the time to post, if you don't believe it, read it and move on?

    Swedish security services leaked evidence and information pertaining to mind control to this gentlemen, Dr. Henning Witte.

    He has taken the time to interview scores of victims who were remotely targeted and abused by it. Many of which are highly intelligent people with nothing to gain from sharing their story.

    Much the same way i have nothing to gain to responding to people who lazily wish to discredit information, while breezing over a post and wholly unscientifically dismissing a post as scientifically impossible. Yet i posted science with supporting evidence.

    Did you watch the video or did you just come on to discredit my post without doing any research whatsoever?

    I can tell you the names of dozens of members of Irish Security Services, they use this technology. I can also tell you where they live, I can also tell you, you'll be reading about this in the newspaper one day soon.

    Take the information or leave it. Why is it so important to you to spend your time dismissing it?

    Have a good day, I know there will be no exchange of words between us that will result in anything other than you dismissing the information put to you.

    Your a tire kicker that is adding no value whatsoever to this thread. Move along.



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    No sir. You have not posted "science".

    You have posted some technobabble that doesn't really make any sense.

    You are now making several very silly claims that make it seem like you're pretending to be a conspiracy theorist rather than someone who genuinely believes what he is posting.


    I really don't need to discredit your post, as you are claiming that you have secret information regarding a mind control ray being used by the Irish government.



    So again, you copy pasted a block of text that attempts to detail "Scalar waves" (not a real physics term). Where did you get this from?

    The only source I can find for it is one very silly very nonsense paper published in a very shady looking vanity journal.

    From what I read of that paper, it's just more technobabble.

    For example you seem to have copy pasted a part of a table without actually understanding what it is.



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    You're right. Good day.

    "secret mind control ray". Okay, buddy, lay off the drugs.



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    If someone wanted to have her killed, why do it in a foreign country when she was being followed by the press and with the son of 1 of the richest people in the UK? Surely it'd have made more sense/be easier to have her have an accident when she was on her own rather than in a car with 3 other people, 1 of whom survived.



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    But that's what you're suggesting once you strip away the technobabble you're cloaking it in.

    There's no such thing as "Scalar waves". It's a pseudoscience word made up for conspiracy theories.

    You've also claimed that you know who in Ireland is using it as well as their names.


    So since you won't address my points and won't acknowledge the obvious issues with your theory, please explain it more.


    Who in Ireland is using these mind control rays? What are their names? How do you know?


    Or are you trying to parody conspiracy theories by suggesting something so ridiculous?



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    LOL. Just be quiet. You've discredited yourself. 1+1 = 2.


    Brad Barker

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    Answered 3 years ago · Author has 606 answers and 265.6K answer views

    Originally Answered: What are scalar waves, and what is the purpose of it?

    A scalar wave is a wave-like disturbance in a scalar field. What's a scalar field? Think of temperature maps, with contours for particular temperatures and colors in between. The temperature T along a particular contour has a shape determined by T(x,y)=To, where x and y are the spatial coordinates and To is the particular value.

    If we can specify T at every x and y, it is a scalar field. Why “scalar”? It means the object is just a single number.

    The scalar field has a wave pattern if there is one or more characteristic length-scales for some repeating patterns. There can be independent sets for both x and y. If there are more dimensions, then they get an I dependent set too.

    Usually the wave has a time dimension, so now imagine the temperature map changing with time, like moving slides. We now have a function T(x,y,t), with t for time. It may show repetition, which has the scale determined by values of frequency. A function where the frequency and wavelength together determine a sense of motion is a wave. That is, there is some particular function v(f,lambda), in addition to T(x,y,t). A plane-wave has v=f*lambda.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,144 robinph
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    So you have knowledge of members of Irish Security Services who are using technology that was used to kill Abraham Lincoln, but for some reason nobody else of any repute has ever mentioned this technology previously?


    How exactly were these waves used in the killing of Abraham Lincoln who died a couple of decades before you claim the waves were even discovered (although they have seemingly remained secret to everyone except you since the 1800s).



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    Lol.

    I don't think you understand what that guy is writing. Nor do you understand what the word scalar means.


    Here he is just explaining the definition of scalar values. He is not describing a new type of wave using unknown physics that allows people to mind control people.


    Here's another physicist on that same site directly talking about the type of scalar waves you are referring to:


    https://www.quora.com/Are-scalar-waves-being-used-upon-innocent-citizens/answer/Mattias-Sj%C3%B6?ch=15&oid=159310772&share=fa3fa95e&target_type=answer

    Depends on what you mean. “Scalar waves” usually refer to the supposed longitudinal electromagnetic waves “discovered” by Nikola Tesla in his crazier years. They do not exist, but keep resurfacing in various crackpot contexts. (To all crackpots out there: the scientific community doesn't ignore valid research just because it contradicts their dogma, they give Nobel prizes to dogma-contradicting research as soon as it can be shown to be valid. If it's being ignored, it's because it doesn't work, not because it's controversial!) As such, they can't be released on innocent civilians, although I suppose you could disperse a crowd of free energy believers by threatening to use scalar waves.


    However, if you just read the name and ignore the existing connotations, “scalar waves” sound like waves in a scalar field as opposed to a vector field. Atmospheric pressure is a scalar field, so sound would qualify. In that case scalar waves are definitely used on innocent civilians — for instance whenever people have to listen to what Donald Trump has to say.

    So again:

    Who in Ireland is using these mind control rays? What are their names? How do you know?


    Or are you trying to parody conspiracy theories by suggesting something so ridiculous?



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    You'll read all about it in the papers, have a good day.

    A huge global pedophile ring is about to be take down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,995 Danzy
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    He wasn't drunk, that's come out since. Mistake was made with his sample.





  • Really? I am still belief he was. Granted, it happened when I was a child and never had the impetus to look into it, but was the driver not over the limit?



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    OK. When will this be?

    Who exactly is going to be exposed? You said you know who they are.


    Why wait and sit on this information if you are now throwing in the idea that a pedophile ring is using these mind control rays?


    It sounds a bit like you don't have this information at all and your just telling fobs like a child trying to sound cool.


    Again you are behaving like a parody of a conspiracy theorist. Do you genuinely believe the things you are claiming?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,750 Atlantic Dawn
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    Maybe it made him drive better, if he doubled up they might have made it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 seamus
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    Well, exactly. The least plausible part of this whole thing is that a French police force & court would cover up a British MI mission on French soil, and find a Frenchman at fault. I have no doubt there was something of a sigh of relief from some royal quarters when she died, but if it was assassination they were after, it would definitely have been easier to pull off something low-key at home, like an apparent suicide.

    Are you sure? Because I can't find any information on that. Between the crash and the official ruling, there'd certainly been all sorts of questions thrown around over it. Including his parents' assertion that he couldn't have been drunk and they'd never seen their son get drunk. It turned out that he was in fact an alcoholic who was on prescription medication at the time and several hotel staff testified that he was visibly drunk.



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    You're right buddy, they are crazy conspiracy theorist mind control rays and it's a parody. I wonder what a solicitor would think of your post if all this information was true?

    Would you be in the act of defaming me by trying to label me a crazy conspiracy theorist? Food for thought.

    Take care.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,531 Dohnjoe
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    You are claiming that Princess Diana was killed in a conspiracy with mind control rays, correct or no?

    If yes, please share all the details you have of that conspiracy (no other conspiracies or anything else, just that the specific plot to kill Princess Diana)



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    Again. You are suggesting that Diana was murdered using a mind control ray that uses unknown physics. You have also claimed that the Garda use this mind ray as well and that you have the names of the people who use it and evidence that they do so.

    You've also suggested that these mind rays are involved in a pedophile ring somehow.


    I haven't labeled you as anything. I'm just pointing out what you are claiming with the veneer of physic technobabble stripped away.


    I'm pointing out that you are behaving like a parody because you are claiming these very extreme things and then acting very silly when you are challenged on these claims.

    This is my opinion and it is not actionable by a solicitor. Your threat is as meaningless as it is funny.


    So rather that threaten legal action and try running away could you answer some of the questions put to you?


    If you're not interested in answering questions or discussing your claims, why are you posting?



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    Mind control technology is real technology. Yes, Diana's driver was owned and made to crash the car against his free will. It's tied to Epstein and Maxwell, who both hated Diana, this is well documented. She found out about their kiddy **** parties. Lots of kiddy fuckers use this technology I am aware of it for reasons I'm not going to disclose at this time.

    What do you think, I just came on here and I would take the whole world for a fool and make a wild claim that has no substance.

    I'm often in the habit of also making the claim that you can turn water in to wine. :)

    Now instead of playing message pong and having you label me as crazy, let's do this. Let's place a bet, I'll lay you 5/1 on any amount you want that I'm proven to be correct. End of discussion, furthermore, if you accept the bet, you are liable for defamation damages for trying to label me crazy. Shhhhhhh shhhhh now. Put your money where your mouth is or hush up.

    I don't need to provide evidence, the media will do that for me in due course.

    Either you accept the bet, or you be quiet.

    FYI, water can be turned in to wine. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,638 ohnonotgmail
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    What do you think, I just came on here and I would take the whole world for a fool and make a wild claim that has no substance.

    that is certainly how it looks.



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    "Yes, Diana's driver was owned and made to crash the car against his free will"

    Okay, how exactly?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,144 robinph
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    Any examples of this mind control technology?


    If it's been around since Abraham Lincoln was killed then I'm surprised that the first we hear of it is from an anonymous poster on an Irish message board making claims about the death of a British Royal who died in a car crash.



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    Well you are making a wild claim with no substance.

    You say that you are providing substance while at the same time you're announcing that you don't need to provide evidence. That's a contradiction.

    And now your insistence on making a bet is rather bizarre.


    What evidence do you have that this mind ray technology exists?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,144 robinph
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    Just yesterday you stated that you were prepared to give all the details of the Irish Security Services members who were using the tech, but today you can't and are proposing having a bet as proof instead:

    > I can tell you the names of dozens of members of Irish Security Services, they use this technology. I can also tell you where they live,



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    Here's three names for you that members of AGS will be acutely familiar with. Frank Weston, his daughter Michelle Weston and his son Jason Weston (one sick puppy). I'll mention two things regarding Abe Lincoln. Nazis and the Tall Whites. No conspiracy is ever true if everyone has a closed mind, right?

    The

    You should look in to the premonitions bureau. There's no such thing as premonitions, both science and technology explains everything in this Universe, there are some startling premonitions

    I gather you're not taking the bet, smart man.


    Tapping out here, there's a big scandal about to break. Believe it, don't believe it, it's up to you. Don't bother wasting your time trying to discredit it, if it's just to make yourself feel better and or smarter than the information your questioning.

    That's all, good night and God bless.

    PS. I really can turn water in to wine.



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    Sorry now you're just rambling incoherently.

    I'll ask again, what evidence do you have that this technology exists?


    If you can't answer this there no need to run away like you're doing. Just admit you can't provide the evidence.


    Perhaps you could tell us when this "scandal" is going to break?

    In a week? In a month? Next year?



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    A huge kiddy **** and kiddy killing ring tied to this technology. Enjoy the show. I trust you are not against children being protected and monsters that do this to kids being taken down.

    I'm not answering any more questions. You were wise not to take the bet. Bizarre incidents of suicide won't be happening any more once they all go down.

    PS. I really can turn water in to wine.



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    OK. When will this happen and how do you know?


    I think that you aren't giving any solid dates or details or explaining how you know because you don't actually know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,750 Atlantic Dawn
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    I would say at the time of death the car she was in would have been in the top 5 safest cars in the world to crash in, if there was a single car I'd like to be in a crash with that was it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,144 robinph
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    So the Westons are so well known that nothing is coming up for them in Google. Unless the former Bishop of Zanzibar, a snooker player from Portsmouth and the head of product innovation for the S&P are somehow related to this conspiracy?



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    You are a crazy looney thick conspiracy theorist.


    I gladly await any postage you may send me

    :D



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