A convicted sex offender, jailed for the rape and killing on Tinder

JP Liz V1

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40698950.html

Convicted killer Ian Horgan has authorised Gardaí to access records of his application to join the dating app Tinder, after claiming in court that the use of the name ‘Cian’ in his profile was a typing error.

The convicted sex offender, jailed for the rape and killing of beautician Rachel Kiely in 2002, signed the authorisation at Macroom District Court, and it will now be forwarded to the CEO of Tinder.

It came after Mr Horgan, 37, outlined through his solicitor that his defence to the charge that he joined the dating app under an alias that had not been notified to Gardaí was that essentially the use of the name 'Cian' had been a simple error.

Gardaí allege that between May 24 and 31 last he failed to notify them of a name that he was using that had not been previously notified to use the app, which is an offence under Section 10, sub-section 2, of the Sex Offenders Act 2001.

Our justice system is a fceking joke

Horgan, 37, was convicted in 2002 of the rape and manslaughter of beautician Rachel Kiely in Ballincollig in 2000. The 22-year-old had been walking her dog in a park when she was attacked. Horgan was 16 at the time and was 18 when he was sentenced.

Not really a current affairs issue more After hours, it is to the Gardai credit that they are on top of this issue. Also very scary if individuals like that are on Tinder

Peregrinus

What's the joke, exactly? Convicted sex offenders is subject to lifetime requirement to keep authorities informed of all the names they use; offender uses name that has not been notified to authorities, he says by mistake; offender is almost immediately detected, arrested and charged.

I'm not sure what part of this you find amusing, to be honest.

osarusan

Pretty silly to try and pretend you think the word 'joke' is being used as a synonym for 'amusing' here, when it couldn't be more obvious to anybody reading that it's used as a synonym for 'failure' or 'unbelievably bad'.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898282#Comment_117898282

Well, what's the failure? Man breaks law, gets detected and prosecuted. That's not a failure; it's what's supposed to happen.

osarusan

I don't think there was any failure either, but you can't fail to have understood what the OP meant by the word 'joke' in this context, even if you disagree on whether its use is correct in this case.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898373#Comment_117898373

I understand from the OP's use of the word "joke" that he is very unhappy with the situation, but I genuinely have no idea as to why. Does he think that the restriction should not have been imposed on the offender in the first place? Does he think that the offender's breach should have gone undetected, or should have been ignored by the authorities? I can hardly imagine that he does. But, if he doesn't think either of these things, then what is his problem? I'm mystified. He can't have meant that the system had failed, because it plainly hasn't. He can't have meant that the system is unbelievably bad, because he describes nothing bad.

You say that I "can't fail to have understood what the OP meant by 'joke' in this context, but you are mistaken. I genuinely, in good faith, do not understand what he meant.

seamus

@Peregrinus wrote:

I understand from the OP's use of the word "joke" that he is very unhappy with the situation, but I genuinely have no idea as to why.

I believe what the OP is try to say is that it's a joke that man who violently raped and killed a woman 21 years ago is walking free today.

Which is a whole other kettle of fish.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898358#Comment_117898358

Well lets see he raped and murdered a woman and within about 18 years is out and about on a dating app trying to find women to meet.

He was given life sentence for her murder according to newspapers.

Oh yeah life is what 16/18 years with less for time off for good behaviour since he probably didn't rape or kill any women when in jail.

Wasn't he great.

And because the rape sentence would have been concurrent, wippeee do for good old concurrent sentencing, he is out in 18 years or so.

BTW for some fooking reason two of the jurors could not find him guilty. 😯

Nah our justice system is not a joke.

Actually not sure if this is true, but there is Sunday World article that said he had gotten only manslaughter for killing Rachel Kiely (maybe he accidentally choked her after accidentally raping her) and that he had gotten more time for robbing someone at knife point.

Oh and that he had girlfriend who happened to be sister of a convicted rapist.

Maybe someone can confirm correct story ?

seamus

@jmayo wrote:

Well lets see he raped and murdered a woman and within about 18 years is out and about on a dating app trying to find women to meet.

He was given life sentence for her murder according to newspapers.

From a quick look, he was originally convicted of murder in 2002, but after sufficient doubt was raised about some of the evidence, this conviction was quashed and a retrial was ordered. At the retrial he was found not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter.

He was sentenced to 8 years (which is a pretty long one for manslaughter). The last two years of this were suspended, and because he'd been in jail for 4.5 years at that point, he served 18 months after the second trial before being released.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898520#Comment_117898520

Yes

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898636#Comment_117898636

Was it not DNA evidence ?

How could someone who strangled someone to death be found to be just guilty of manslaughter?

I mean the whole thing with manslaughter is that is somewhat accidental or unplanned I thought.

How do you accidentally strangle someone?

It takes concerted effort to be applied for a period of time.

Somewhere along the line he could have stopped so to me that is murder.

Hang on was he also found guilty of rape so why did he only serve less than 8 years when you had a rape and a killing?

This is why lots of people see our justice system as a joke.

Oh and just to clarify for some people around here I don't mean a funny fooking one.

So after his light sentence for manslaughter and maybe rape, he is freed and hey presto he serves time for agravated robbery with a weapon.

And then he breaks the law again by surfing dating apps under assumed name ?

Why do I think humanity would be much better off with the Russian solution of a bullet to back of head.

seamus

I haven't looked at the full details, but yeah the retrial was ordered mainly because doubt was cast over DNA evidence.

A retrial is complete reevaluation of all evidence not juts parts of it.

So I guess the second time around the jury were not convinced of the murder charge. If there's a strangulation aspect, the argument is usually that they were attempting to restrain the other person and didn't mean to kill them. See: George Floyd.

Sentences are typically applied concurrently except in rare circumstances, so the prison time for rape would like have been served at the same time as the manslaughter.

Jequ0n

Personally I find it completely irrelevant whether he was convicted or murder or manslaughter. There will have been reasons for the final decision.

What is laughable, however, is the claim that he was being deceptive when there was a one letter difference in his profile name. If this alone throws a spanner in the verification process the gardai need to seriously reevaluate their ways of working.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902237#Comment_117902237

what do you mean by this?

he used a false name on tinder, gardai found out and prosecute him. Where's the problem?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902248#Comment_117902248

He had to provide his bank details and pay for the service. Even if he used an unregistered phone umber and burner email address the bank details are a pretty solid link to him. But the profile name is the issue here? Really?

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902314#Comment_117902314

Presumably the concern is that somebody matching with "Cian" on Tindr might not realise that they are matching with Ian, the notorious rapist and manslaughterer.

IAmTheReign

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902248#Comment_117902248

I don't understand the outrage either. Man breaks the law and gets charged for it. Here I was thinking that's how the legal process is supposed to work.

Ash.J.Williams

This thread has a weird title

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902365#Comment_117902365

And just the name “Ian” would make them realise that?

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902429#Comment_117902429

I'd be shocked if most people didn't google someone they met online before meeting them in person, so yes it would.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902462#Comment_117902462

Most don’t exchange full names before a first date. It’s Tinder after all.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898520#Comment_117898520

I completely agree with the above!

Execution in my opinion was the answer but that's now gone unfortunately!

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898636#Comment_117898636

This animal was sentenced to 6 years for the manslaughter then following an appeal it was increased to 12 he also committed a horrendous knifepoint armed robbery while on bail for which he only got 4 years. He's also going out with the sister of cratloe rapist Thomas O Neill he is a human skidmark.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902237#Comment_117902237

You don't think dating sites ask the Gardai to vet every new signup, do you? Tinder have no idea and don't care if his name is Ian or Cian.

This most likely came about because someone recognised him on Tinder and reported it to the Gardai.

There's a strong argument that dating sites should indeed take stronger measures to verify people in order to protect their users. Revolut for example requires you to take a selfie and then send a copy of your passport or driving licence before they'll activate your account.

No reason a dating site couldn't do the same thing. Tindr and the likes might be for casual hookups, but there's no honest reason for someone to have a fake or anonymous account on these platforms. If they want, someone can have a nickname instead of a real name before they're matched, but the account should still be validated.

How that would tie into the sex offenders' register, I don't know. There is nothing stopping a sex offender from signing up a real account on Tindr, and no obligation on them to inform the site or potential partners, of their past.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902578#Comment_117902578

Of course I don’t expect any company to do background checks. The issue is that there seems to a validation check in progress which is flawed.

He had user information that could be traced back to him (as there is no mentioning of him using someone else’s bank account details). If the gardai rely on profile names on dating sites it means that the whole process is corrupted.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902426#Comment_117902426

How, it's true

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902678#Comment_117902678

why do you think the gardai found out he was on tinder under a different name? It was probably reported to them.

Ash.J.Williams

eats shoots and leaves sort of title

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902802#Comment_117902802

What would you have said?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902798#Comment_117902798

Never try and pick up cops on tinder...

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902810#Comment_117902810

convicted sex offender and murderer Ian Horgan has joined tinder under false name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902314#Comment_117902314

What was he charged with?

Do you think there's an offence for a registered sex offender for signing up to online dating?

Of course the profile name is the issue. That's the offence!

freshpopcorn

The sad thing is even he uses his real name. He'll still have people all over him probably.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903100#Comment_117903100

A user profile name as the crucial validation check on a dating/ hook up site where a large percentage of people are bound to lie about their name?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903371#Comment_117903371

It doesn't matter what a large amount of people do or don't do.

It matters what a registered sex offender does.

You should read the charge.

Would you prefer if he wasn't charged and met lots of unsuspecting women online?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903386#Comment_117903386

I’m not questioning the charge, I am questioning the “flagging” process that the police seem to rely on.

I will not speculate as per his intentions because nobody can know whether or not they were bad. It’s worth keeping in mind that he committed this crime over 20 years ago.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903673#Comment_117903673

What flagging process?

It doesn't matter when he committed his crimes. What matters is that he is subject to certain conditions as part of his post release supervision.

This is a good result, I have no idea what your issue is.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903811#Comment_117903811

It’s in the title

”The convicted killer claims joining the dating app under the alias 'Cian', which meant Gardaí were not notified, had been a simple error”

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903969#Comment_117903969

Tinder don't notify gardai about everyone that joins.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902462#Comment_117902462

In fairness, I've never looked for a surname from anyone online. It's a bit too much info for a first date isn't it?

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903969#Comment_117903969

Ah, I'm seeing your confusion now.

What the article says is that the name "Cian" was not an alias that the accused had notified the Gardai about. If a registered sex offender wishes to use a different name, they must notify the Gardai about it.

It is an offence for someone on the register to use a name which they have not informed the Gardai of.

That's the charge here. It's not a case that the Gardai were not informed by Tindr because the name was "Cian" instead of "Ian". Even if he had used his real name, Tindr would not have notified the Gardai.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904220#Comment_117904220

Ah ok, thank you.

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903673#Comment_117903673

Its worth bearing in mind that a family have been dealing with the outcome of this for 20 years as well, if we are discussing shelf life.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904287#Comment_117904287

A statement that can be made about everything really.

JP Liz V1

Just over a year later he pleaded guilty to Ms Kiely’s manslaughter and was convicted of her rape. He was sentenced to 12 years in jail, and in 2010 he received a further four years for the 2005 robbery, but was released in late 2013. After he moved in with Teresa O’Neill, he travelled to the social welfare office beside the Phoenix Park in Dublin, to collect his first dole payment. A few days later, he was stopped by gardaí as he travelled in a car with child sex attacker Joseph Finnerty.

The two were stopped together on three separate occasions. When the MoS confronted Finnerty and asked about their association, he stared at this reporter for a number of seconds, before replying: ‘Go away with yourself, little woman.’ Sources said at the time they were ‘extremely concerned’ to see the two men together. They described Horgan as ‘dangerous and volatile’ and warned it was only a matter of time before he struck again.

https://extra.ie/2017/11/05/news/irish-news/manhunt-violent-sadistic-rapist-killer-run

This fella should still be in jail, scum

Hangdogroad

It would be best for everyone if this fella drove head on into a truck like the vermin in Tallaght. He's the lowest of the low, I'd put him even beneath that bunch.

JP Liz V1

He should be in prison for all his life, 8 and a half years now for hammer attack

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41166658.html

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902726#Comment_117902726

It's missing punctuation (or possibly additional words) with the result that it has an entirely different meaning that what was intended.

The way it's written makes it sound like he was jailed for murdering someone on the dating app.

Str8outtaWuhan

Joke of a sentence

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120740843#Comment_120740843

What the actual... the sentencing for this in light of his crime in 2000 (also appalling sentence)... so hard to get your head around.