An aspect of your demeanor that you've corrected

Patsy167

When you're 18, you worry about what everybody is thinking of you; when you're 40, you don't give a darn what anybody thinks of you; when you're 60, you realize nobody's been thinking about you at all. People spend their days worrying and thinking about themselves, not you.

Brid Hegarty

@Patsy167 People spend their days worrying and thinking about themselves, not you.

But it's when they do think (worry) of you that they form their opinion!

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231531#Comment_118231531

That last line reminds me of a certain lyric in that song 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now'

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118229656#Comment_118229656

Yeah. He needs to eat some carbs! I was a bit suspicious about the drug addiction and if the story he's telling about how it came to be, is true! He needed to go to Russia to get treatment? and have his daughter go on youtube (half dressed) to announce his condition.

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Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118229515#Comment_118229515

And now you're centre?

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230690#Comment_118230690

Joke?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235450#Comment_118235450

I don't understand?

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235482#Comment_118235482

Oh you might actually get a JP book for Christmas! Okay, well be aware it could be quite long winded... or at least that's what I've heard.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886331#Comment_117886331

I know this is a bit of an Irish trope, but I've never actually encountered it.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235520#Comment_118235520

I'm often a bit long winded myself

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118229656#Comment_118229656

Whatever your opinion of him positive or negative, the man is not a 'pseudo-intellectual', he's an actual intellectual. He's quite literally paid to think for a living. Before his public prominence, he was a prominent clinical psychologist teaching out of a top-20 global university.There's nothing 'pseudo' about that.

I'm not entirely uncritical of the man, but there's very little doubt that he has added to the quality of the debate about lazy accepted wisdoms in the 21st century that have been given free reign by cynical interest groups. And it is a breath of fresh air to have someone like him on major media outlets thrashing out these matters as opposed to boors like Jeremy Clarkson or the usual talking heads peddling their boilerplate agendas without being challenged.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118236463#Comment_118236463

JP had a fatwah issued against him by the progressive ayatollahs three or four years ago for the WOKE crime of questioning the likes of " trans " ideology so the gormless followers must now duly denounce him with dopey labels like " Grifter " in order to signal their virtue and faith

He has a slightly annoying voice but his message is pure common sense from what I've observed on line , eminently sensible

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118236463#Comment_118236463

He is the dictionary definition of a pseudo-intellectual. If you listen to him waffle on about “low resolution thinking” or “neo Marxist leftists” and try to unspool it you realise that he is simply talking a load of auld guff. He’s full of hot air and bluster but he sounds confident and smart so thick people fall for it.

Maybe he is a competent clinical psychologist but what he is actually known for (his writing, his public speaking, and his social commentary) are desperately, desperately poor and often contradictory. He will talk about “cleaning your room” before challenging the world while trying to pose as a self-help guru whose personal life is in complete disarray, or hark back to traditional stoic masculinity only to cry about Disney films.

He’s a grifter, and a charlatan, and he should stick to helping waitresses getting over eating disorders because a public intellectual he ain’t.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237083#Comment_118237083

More like he issued a fatwah against himself when he opted to be induced into an extremely risky coma in Russia to treat his drug addiction.

Or his daughter issued a fatwah against him when she gave him Covid she caught while partying in a nightclub in Belgrade, when he was recovering.

I take no pleasure in telling people these but some this is the kind of self-help guru he is: one whose life is a complete disaster from stupid decisions he, or the people he influences the most, have made. Heal thyself, physician.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237264#Comment_118237264

He gets paid to think. You're posting on the internet about disagreeing with a man paid to think. His function in society and his paycheque is quite literally related to his intellect (how ever big or small you may think it to be).

He's an intellectual by any reasonable definition - I think you need to reconcile yourself with that. You need to check what brand of dictionary you're working off.

Spinning-off from your post, when I see people posting about 'pseudo-intellectuals', they are usually just in some sort of disagreement with said person, can't quite articulate why in any convincing sense, so resort to ad-hominem.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237374#Comment_118237374

I don't need someone to be a monk to accept their solid advice, much of what he says about even non political and cultural hot topics is useful

Stuff about how comparing yourself to people who have had an entirely different set of circumstances and experiences to yourself

The WOKE congregation are told to hate him so they line up to put the boot in as a way of signalling their devotion and purity

Yurt2

Poking fun at addictions and attempting to diminish people's significant achievements is pretty cheap btw.

Hemmingway was an alcoholic; Charles Dickens an opium addict; Van Gogh an alcoholic too; Kafka an inveterate sex addict who frequented brothels.

None of their achievements are diminished by the above, and none of their vices make them 'pseudo' anything.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237416#Comment_118237416

“Paid to think.” Lots of people are “paid to think,” he’s hardly the only person in the world ever hired by a university to “think.”

Every topic Peterson has made any kind of observation about in his capacity as a public intellectual is either masked by verbosity so that his meaning is always conveniently ambiguous or wrong, just plain wrong. All of it. Enforced monogamy, swamp witches, chaos dragons, 🦞. The whole lot. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about outside of the realm of clinical psychology.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237476#Comment_118237476

By any reasonable definition, he's an intellectual. It may be your strongly held opinion he's bad at it - but hey, maybe you're sh*tty at your job, I still wouldn't try to deny whatever your role in life is even if that was the case.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237449#Comment_118237449

I’ve never poked fun at his addiction, however it is rich that a man who literally preached that a person has to set his own life in order before he can change the world literally had to take a pause from lecturing the public on how to behave because he developed an addiction to narcotics. Not only that but he resorted to treating his addiction with some bizarre experimental coma nonsense. What terrible judgement from a self help guru.

Call it an ad hominem all you like but it’s a fact: He needs to roll up his sleeves and clean his own room before he can tell anyone to clean theirs.

Feisar

I used to drink to much to keep the monsters at bay, however now I've a leash on them.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237505#Comment_118237505

Cmon now. He was addicted to benzodiazepines, which is a prescription medication for treating anxiety. Your use of the word "narcotics" is burying the lead trying to make out he was getting skagged off his head on street corner drugs.

You're being silly and rather nasty about this in my assessment.

Yurt2

Benzo addict or not, the man has found professional success as an intellectual and academic that I doubt you'd enjoy if you had 100 lifetimes to have a go at it.

That's reality.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237521#Comment_118237521

I never made any such thing. You’re inventing these biases, I don’t morally differentiate between addictions to narcotics, “skag,” or alcoholic or gambling or whatever. You’re the one tripping over yourself trying to get people to adhere to strict definitions, not me.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237537#Comment_118237537

Please calm down and chill with the ad hominem attacks. I don’t think much of Peterson as a so-called intellectual, so what of it? If you can only take this kind of discussion personally then maybe stick to some forum where only pro-Peterson views are allowed.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237559#Comment_118237559

He was addicted to prescription anxiety medication. You were trying to run the man down because of that with a sly inference it was illegal substances, belittling the issues of anxiety addiction, and trying to cut him down on the back of it.

Tall poppy syndrome, and in the spirit of the thread, you probably ought to take a look at correcting that.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237582#Comment_118237582

I firmly believe that people who are addicted to illegal substances deserve as much care as people who are addicted to legal substances, if not more. You have invented any kind of opposing implication to make it sound like I am discrediting Peterson for being addicted to benzos.

On the contrary: I pity him for being addicted to benzos. However I do discredit him for the manner in which he treated it (some whack-a-do coma job in Russia) because any truly intelligent person would have probably gone to a real doctor (for example Peterson’s compatriot Dr Gabor Maté, who is an expert in treating addiction and a true intellectual) instead of getting some quack to put him under for a few weeks in Moscow.

All this “tall poppy syndrome,” “well I bet he’s still smarter than you nyah nyah” stuff is childish. You need to grow up a little and learn to cope with seeing someone criticising your heroes.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237572#Comment_118237572

You don't have to like him, nobody is demanding anything of the sort. You made a weird interjection in a thread because someone mentioned Peterson, went off on a mad off-topic one about him being a 'pseudo-intellectual' and an addict when he is quite literally an intellectual by definition.

You haven't been attacked by the way, unless an observation that you indulge in tall poppy syndrome is considered an attack. *Shrug*

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237620#Comment_118237620

He's not my hero. And I'm not sure where you got that idea. And sorry not sorry, on the evidence presented I'll be ranking his intellect before yours. *shrugs again*

I'll double back to the original point, the man is an intellectual by definition, and anyone (and yes you) trying to do the 'pseudo' thing because you don't like him and have a hard time articulating why that's not engaging in nastiness, are quite frankly silly.