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Irish schools being sent ideological gender identity "pledge packs"

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  • #302
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859035#Comment_117859035

    No. The point does not remain the same. The Lord Mayor and Children from Comhairle na Nog were subjected to online bigotry, hate and abuse by calling them degenerates, deviants, scum, marxists, paedos, child abusers, groomers and calling for them to be jailed. This is not in any way whatsoever a "common sense" argument no matter how much you try to paint it as merely "concerned parents" - Its not. Its an organised campaign of homophobia, transphobia, hatred and bigotry.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #303
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859053#Comment_117859053

    So you support online abuse? Good to know



  • #304
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859053#Comment_117859053

    Your attempt at justifying hate and bigotry isnt working 🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #305
    county
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭county


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117858999#Comment_117858999

    I think the hatred is directed towards the Lord mayor and the Dublin county council for being perceived to be forcing this on impressionable school children without running it by the parents first.



  • #306
    archfi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭archfi


    What did the other 483 tweets say?

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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  • #307
    DarkJager21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859064#Comment_117859064

    Come out with something stupid, get stupid responses - simple.



  • #308
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859098#Comment_117859098

    you are supporting online abuse.



  • #309
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859081#Comment_117859081

    We're getting somewhere you now acknowledge there was indeed a pileon of hatred - kinda mad isnt it though that all these decades old homophobic and transphobic tropes linking LGBT people to child abuse are suddenly not really homophobic or transphobic 🤣- I dont buy it though - a lot these accounts throwing out the abuse and hatred are not parents

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #310
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859108#Comment_117859108

    Of course you don't care.

    Those who support online abuse are devoid of morality. Why would they care?



  • #311
    joey100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭joey100


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859104#Comment_117859104

    Supporting online abuse directed at Children.



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  • #312
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I remember a video linked in the Peter Tatchell thread (I think it was a workshop at Dublin pride) where Tatchell described how to get this kind of material into schools unbeknownst to parents. Framing it as an anti-bullying campaign would be consistent with the methods he described.

    Or indeed you could take it at face-value. These days it's hard to know what to believe.



  • #313
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859103#Comment_117859103

    I understand what hate and bigotry are. You are supporting and justifying it.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #314
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859109#Comment_117859109

    You will find just as many self appointed tras acting in the same manner every time they claim to be offended by words such as woman

    It's twitter it's full of nut jobs

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  • #315
    DarkJager21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859130#Comment_117859130

    No you don't, you understand them from within the walls of your woke echo chamber you live in but you don't actually understand them. Seriously, go look them up - it might give you some clarity.



  • #316
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Christy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117858788#Comment_117858788

    The link between them is the abuse they tend to get. I guess many (not all) in the LGB banner identified with the abuse trans people get and they went together. Certainly there are differences but I was generally using left vs right arguments (marital rape was in there as well) not just LGB arguments. We also didn't discuss the referendum. Any of the recent ones really, as a society we shouted at each other. If we could start with ok these are pretty reasonable but we should have discussions with interested parties around these points then it would be a discussion. This is giving out about an anti bullying campaign.


    You seem to have set your line and have decided to argue against things you don't believe in to help you defend the original line. Near as I can see the opposition has made it the all or nothing case because of the arguments over the small stuff. As soon as the pronoun debate ends it will be tough to again go, well it didn't kill us to use pronouns but this time we are right is a weak starting point for a debate since at that stage no one will believe it.

    You are right in that we have no idea how it will turn out. Or indeed anything but here we are anyway, not knowing how something will turn out is a terrible reason to oppose it given it can be applied to pretty much everything.

    We also have someone talking about the issue around breast exams when this can happen as is already happening but again it is about projecting things that are not happening in an attempt to have a discussion. Off topic men can also get breast cancer, I feel like this isn't expressed enough and that it may go undiagnosed if men don't realise it.



  • #317
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859132#Comment_117859132

    Whatbout whataboutery. There is an attempt by some in this thread to justify and support homophobic/transphobic bigotry and hatred and by others to minimise it and pretend it is not what it is.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #318
    DarkJager21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117859162#Comment_117859162

    This **** is cheap, throwing around accusations of homophobia or "transphobia". Let me tell you this - I am a parent and as I said in another thread, while the child is of child age she is my responsibility, my rules. That includes this ideology throwing these packs to schools and requesting pledges - I don't agree with it, I don't want my child exposed to it and that's **** final - there is no "ifs" or "buts" or transphobic this or that. It doesn't matter what your feelings are, or how offended you are on behalf of that group - it is my child and my rules.



  • #319
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,534 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117857750#Comment_117857750

    Still working through all the reports. This warning has been repeatedly ignored and many posters appear incapable of interacting in a civil manner

    Thread closed - it will not be reopened



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