If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on [email protected] for help. Thanks :)
Private profiles - please note that profiles marked as private will soon be public. This will facilitate moderation so mods can view users' warning histories. All of your posts across the site will appear on your profile page (including PI, RI). Groups posts will remain private except to users who have access to the same Groups as you. Thread here
Some important site news, please read here. Thanks!

Seller delaying contracts

  • 27-08-2021 10:02pm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    The person that is selling the house we are trying to buy is doing everything in her power to delay the process for as long as possible , all but one of the issues we have had in the past 4 months was caused by them. Now we are at the stage of signing contracts and they are not making any moves to do their bit because they don’t want to move until October which will,be just short of. 6 months form sale agreed stage.

    Wht power do I have here apart from threatning to walk away?



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭ bigmac3

    No power. They are in full control.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,078 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig

    I doubt you have any. Until everything is signed either party can walk away. I assume you do not want to do that so you just have to wait.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    Not really but don’t want to be held to ransom by them either

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭ Wildly Boaring

    Only power you have is the threat to walk away

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,078 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig

    Well you are not really. You are aware that they do not want to move until October so that would seem to me to be a term of the sale.

    It may be the case that they have nowhere else to go before then

  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 17,352 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui

    Only six months? I am a seller, and it's been 8 months of the buyers trying to get finance and asssuring me they have verbal approval. Drawdown was approved two weeks ago and they haven't signed the contracts yet.

    Ransom would be more like the seller asking you for more money as another offer has been made.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ Darc19

    And this is one of the things wrong with the property market.

    Both buyer and seller can delay for months without fear of repercussion.

    I'd keep looking around as something more suitable may come up. It might still take til Oct or even Nov, but might be best in the long run.

    One of the biggest errors we make as buyers is taking "emotional ownership" of a property before we actually take ownership. And that emotional bond stops us making rational decisions.

    Let the sellers know that you will continue to look at other properties.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    There’s another house on the same street which just came on the market yesterday. But it is significantly smaller so quite a compromise.

    I do see it as ammunition though so the sellers know we have begun looking elsewhere if they don’t play ball

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ Darc19

    The big excess of buyers is gone now. Allow a few more weeks and you'll see bidding wars dissipate except in the traditionally very high demand areas.

    Developers of new houses have been pre-selling as quickly as they can and even spring builds are now being sold. They are also developing as fast as they can as they know that the market will cool down soon enough.

    Between the hysterical media and estate agents, you'd swear house prices were soaring.

    I've been watching the property market for 32 years and there one thing that has remained constant - estate agents and the hysterical media have NEVER got it right. I'll call it now and say that prices will stabilise from October and there will be little price change in 2022. The central banks rules will be the biggest reason for the marketing cooling.

  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    This house has been on the market for over a year. They are saying they have nowhere to go until October

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭ 1874

    They may not want to delay you,

    I have been delaying my buyer, supposedly, the thing is the house I wanted to buy, I was getting delays off that seller, turns out they were in some legal wrangle and never told us, I just got caught up in it as was not told. I was forced to back out, but my buyers think I am doing something to them that was done to me.

    I have been nothing but forthcoming with my selling agent and have insisted they keep the people buying in the loop, but I had to start from the beginning all over and look for a replacement house, bid all over again, where prices are being repeatedly jacked up due to high demand and low availability of properties in my range and type.

    Therefore by continuing to agree to want to sell my house to the person who's bid was accepted 5 months ago, I'm doing them a favour by holding out as best I can for them, despite a few threats of them to pull the plug, Im just not having luck to buy as it is the worst time to buy.

    In my case, I did experience a very stupid seller who knew they had legal problems and tried to sell and never told me, head in sand stuff imo, my situation was I was waiting on them, thereby holding up my buyer.

    The market is dysfunctional

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    Originally they told us they were relocating to another county, which they are, and we’re going to rent for a bit to get a feel for areas. But now they have found a house to buy and don’t want to move until that’s ready.

    if they would sign the contracts and set a date however far way I would accept that but they won’t

  • Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭ Smiley11

    I certainly hope you're right! I'm not cut out for hysteria & hate the way markets & bidding have been trending. I do think sellers have the upper hand & its very frustrating being on the receiving end of the cockiness but thats just the way it is for now.

    I think if the OP loves the house & is happy & comfortably able to pay their mortgage, then is an October deadline such a grim prospect? I don't know...maybe I have an air of desperation about me nearly 2 years into the search! Best of luck OP!

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭ Wildly Boaring

    TBH even if they signed the contract today it'd be October before you'd get in.

    Worth making that point, again, OP?

  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭ PropBuyer101

    can you close first and then just agree to get keys a few weeks later...

  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭ Pomodoro

    The vendor is obviously not in a position to commit to a contract yet. If this is because they don't have there next home sorted/confirmed yet, then October is just and estimate and could easily be pushed out. The other possibility is they are still open to higher bids - but there is nothing really you can do about that.

    Either way, at this stage it definitely makes sense for you to seriously look at alternatives. If you find somewhere else that you are happy with, and go sale agreed, you can make an assessment about which property it makes more sense for you to pursue. To be honest, even if you went sale agreed somewhere else tomorrow, you'd be lucky to be in by October.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    We’ve threatened to pull out yesterday if they don’t commit to a date. Whenever the date is we just want a commitment of when

    Our offer is a bit less than what they wanted but it’s cash with no strings attached and the house was for sale for 9 months before we went sale agreed

  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭ PropBuyer101

    ur in a strong positions then.... this process is tediously slow. surely they could rent a place till end of october or something. you'd think vendor would want the sale of their own house to go through first rather than aiming to have everything happening at the same time which leads to delays etc

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    Everything is done in terms of the legal process. All is left is them to sign the contract and move out

  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,078 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig

    Renting a place for a month or 2 would be an absolute nightmare. Firstly you have to actually find a place (which would be extremely difficult), then you would have to move twice in a couple of months while living out of boxes for an extended period.

  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭ PropBuyer101

  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭ PropBuyer101

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭ spaceHopper

    They might not be able to give you a date, they aren't going to make themselves homeless for your benefit. Selling and renting for a while would be daft, its throwing away money and what if they ended up not being able to buy, this would epically be true of a family with young children.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    So on Thursday we were told they were visiting their solicitor to sign the contract Friday evening p and they didn’t do that.

    We wanted to withdraw yesterday but our solicitor advised to wait until Monday until he can have a discussion with their solicitor to see if they are in fact serious about this deal. So Monday is pretty much make or break.

    We don’t really care when it’s completed at this point, we just want to know when so we can plan things from our side, if it’s not for another month that’s ok once we know

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭ Wildly Boaring

    Speaking from experience

    Bite your tongue and be even more patient.

    This is the final fence. As soon as they sign it's over.

    You only do this once (or twice) in your life. Bear with it. If it takes them a week to sign so be it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    My dad got into this situation earlier this year. He went sale agreed on a house (for cash, I might add) in January, but didn't get the keys until late May! This is simply reprehensible behaviour, but there is sadly little that the buyer can do other than threatening to walk away.

    Honestly, buying a house is unlike anything that I've ever experienced before. From estate agents utterly devoid of ethics to greedy sellers and time wasting "buyers", my respect for my fell humanity is diminishing quite a bit...

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    This is cash too.

    Sale agreed since May 7th, we were told 6/8 weeks because the vendors were moving into rental accommodation.

    They asked to stay until the end of July which we verbally agreed to. Now they have found a property to buy and don’t want to sign until that deal is sorted. We also feel there is a risk that they might sign so prevent us from pulling out but nit actually vacate on that date. We just no longer trust them

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    "We no longer trust them" This summarises the problem with the property market succinctly. One of the pillars of doing business is trust. If I pay someone to do a job for me, I have to trust that they will do a good job whilst they have to trust that my money is good. Property seems to be immune to this unwritten rule, and I find it sickening.

    All that I can say is that if I were selling a house to you and had accepted your offer, I would move heaven and earth before I went back on my word or prevaricated.

  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23

    And a cash offer not conditional on the sale of another property.