Dealer did not let us inspect the car - threatened to call Garda?

ggmat799

Summary : Visited him 1 week ago, ad suggested NCT was passed. It was wrong and he said to get it done as NCT failed for CV Joint and some headlight Defect. Travelled 1.5 hours from Dublin.

He cancelled NCT appointment for Thursday and misrepresented that NCT office cancelled appointment. Never-mind.


Met him on Sunday for delivery and he immediately made us sign A4 sheet paper which had wrong car number. I asked him few minutes to inspect the car for VIN etc. Also, said to arrange a new receipt please.


He started shouting on the road it is Sunday and why we need to check car as it has passed NCT. He called me most disgraceful in front of wife/friends. He took keys from my hand and threasthned to call Garda. I told him what for, we should be allowed to check car. Wife said it is hardly under 2K and pay and close the matter.

Now car cruise is not working, steering makes noise, tail light was gone - He said he give a damn (minor issue, FYI only), only gave 1 key. I dnt care. He wanted to keep deposit and 500+ we gave him in cash on that day for cancelling the deal which he proposed to cancel. Never did, after I said OK cancel it and given back money other than deposit - We'll see you in Small Claims Court.

Problem is he is yet to send paper/receipt with correct car date and he said he will deposit form in post office box immediately.

He said he has come on Sunday and someone is waiting in car park. While he went into a mobile store after taking money. HE WAS LOUD. We approached him to close the matter and he said go way. Not a fair way to treat people.


DETAILED

This dealer has misrepresented from Day 1 and I was lazy searching for a car and hence made the mistake.

Day 1, 8 Days ago: He advertised car with with valid NCT and once I reached told me NCT was rejected. I have a copy of his ad saved.

Day 5 : He promised to get NCT done in 4 days, planned a holiday to pick car.

On the day he said he received a text saying NCT was moved to next day. I called NCT office and was informed they did not cancel, Garage asked for it. I still do not say anything - Trust me just wanted a cheap car.

Day 7 : Reached at the place to get the car. Receipt he gave was wrong with an incorrect car number, I still paid him cash and before doing balance transfer of remaining asked him to allow me to check the car as it had failed NCT previously for couple of defects.

Also, to match the VIN.

HE STARTED SHOUTING on road that he will call GARDA and Grabbed keys. He said it is disgraceful thing, he heard in his life that we wanted to check a newly NCT car. He locked the car with our bags inside and started to walk away.

He said who checks the car after NCT?? Seriously.

He did not and my spouse wanted to avoid a scene for a small amount and she said pay.


IS THIS NOT NORMAL TO DO CHECK CAR BEFORE DELIVERY????

He lied that some one is waiting for him in car park and he was nice to us meeting on a Sunday. Which was a lie as his working hours on his web-site are 9-8 on his website and he met me last Sunday. We wasted Sunday as he moved his NCT appointment.


Finally, we paid him and he went away without giving a new receipt until now.

He called us DISGRACEFUL for checking the car. We are from outside Ireland and wife wanted to avoid creating a scene. I do not wanna say anything more, it was borderline x.xxxxx...

He threatened to call GARDA and grabbed keys from my hand.

Steering does make noise on turning - NCT was failed for a bad CV Cover, Tail light is not working (I dnt care but strange how it passed NCT) and Cruise is not working. No wonder he did not let us test the car.


He misrepresented that someone was waiting for him in the parking and hence cannot wait. Whilst we saw him in the mobile repair shop for 15 min+ after this incidence. He could have gone there whilst we had checked the car. He knew issues with the car and just pushed it to us? Perhaps??????

What is bothering me :

1. He has not sent the receipt yet. Off course we expected it after the episode.

2. He I suspect will send the VRC to office. What is my option then?

3. Date of sale he has put is one day prior. I didn't notice.

4. He said PIN for tax is last 6 digits. It does not work today when I tried - Perhaps changed??

BIGGEST IS his treatment of people in front of my wife and friend was sad, bad and unacceptable. I should have walked away from the deal, wife said forget it. He was not ready to give the cash he took from us (Deposit was transferred via bank), he offered to cancel the deal. I said give money back which we paid today (over and above deposit), he said let me call GARDA.

I can take him to court but here for a short stay. How long does the Court proceeding takes - Small Claim Court in this case.

Is this usual behavior of dealer? if yes, then well, no comments.

How can checking a car be DISGRACEFUL?

His office is open 7 days as per his own website and his first call.

colm_mcm

Am I right in thinking you went ahead with the sale?

Mc Love

Tell me you didnt take the car

Atlantic Dawn

Is this a follow on from the €1700 Honda here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058197431

You can check the status of NCT on the NCT website, it updates overnight from whatever passed or was inspected that day.

ggmat799

Mc Love wrote: »

Tell me you didnt take the car

He had 700e in advance from me already. He was running away with Keys and did not return it when we accepted his offer to cancel the deal. Wife said just get the car instead of loosing 700e.

ggmat799

colm_mcm wrote: »

Am I right in thinking you went ahead with the sale?

He was not giving 700e back. When I and friend approached him to close the matter like a gentle men, he again abused saying go away, Ill do what I have to do. Only then we suggested, we'll post it on social media - He was not concerned.


I've already written to TD of Transport and would write to others. He cannot get way with this.

flazio

Sorry but he should not have seen one cent of your money until you had inspected the car.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Bullying sales tactic. Locking your bags in the car and walking away with the keys would have been grounds for YOU to call the Gardai.

As for him calling the Gardai, he’d be laughed out of the station.

It’s absolutely normal to inspect all of those things.

ggmat799

flazio wrote: »

Sorry but he should not have seen one cent of your money until you had inspected the car.

Agreed - Lesson learnt. But why not give 2 min to inspect the car? How can Guard come into picture? Wish I was alone there with my male friend, would have called Guards on our own.

What can I do to ensure we get the car transferred for Tax purposes. He gave a receipt with a wrong car number. Luckily took a picture of the car transfer form, not sure if that gonna help.

colm_mcm

ggmat799 wrote: »

He had 700e in advance from me already. He was running away with Keys and did not return it when we accepted his offer to cancel the deal. Wife said just get the car instead of loosing 700e.

How much was the car all together

beertons

This must be a wind up.

ggmat799

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Bullying sales tactic. Locking your bags in the car and walking away with the keys would have been grounds for YOU to call the Gardai.

As for him calling the Gardai, he’d be laughed out of the station.

It’s absolutely normal to inspect all of those things.

We thought perhaps it is his area and he may have contacts. Add to it spouse who just wanted to avoid a confrontation being new in country for a short stint.

Some people forget for few hundred bucks, he gave a mental scar of bullying to someone. Disgraceful is not checking the car, but him insulting us.

ggmat799

ggmat799 wrote: »

I've already written to TD of Transport and would write to others. He cannot get way with this.

They won't be able to do anything, you need a solicitor involved now which is gonna cost more than €200.

You shouldn't have paid anything in the first place, was the €700 a deposit of something?
You then shouldn't have went through with the sale after the way he treated/spoke to you.
Paying him the balance after everything else was straight up lunacy
This alone, should have put you off having any further dealings with him:

d suggested NCT was passed. It was wrong and he said to get it done as NCT failed for CV Joint and some headlight Defect.

Only option now is the legal route. Take him to the small claims court if it's under €2000 and get a solicitor if it isn't.

ggmat799

colm_mcm wrote: »

How much was the car all together

1.6

ggmat799

Deleted User wrote: »

They won't be able to do anything, you need a solicitor involved now which is gonna cost more than €200.

You shouldn't have paid anything in the first place, was the €700 a deposit of something?
You then shouldn't have went through with the sale after the way he treated/spoke to you.
Paying him the balance after everything else was straight up lunacy
This alone, should have put you off having any further dealings with him:



Only option now is the legal route. Take him to the small claims court if it's under €2000 and get a solicitor if it isn't.

Trust me if you watch the video, I and my friend were fine with him to call Guards. Wife pushed us to close it and she was like you never gonna watch his face again in life.

CCTV in the are would have recorded it all, that I was moving in the car and he started acting crap and took keys away.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Bringing in 'contacts' in the Gardai to bully someone in a small car sale would be a path towards a serious GSOC investigation and could well be career ending.

ggmat799

Deleted User wrote: »

They won't be able to do anything, you need a solicitor involved now which is gonna cost more than €200.

You shouldn't have paid anything in the first place, was the €700 a deposit of something?
You then shouldn't have went through with the sale after the way he treated/spoke to you.
Paying him the balance after everything else was straight up lunacy
This alone, should have put you off having any further dealings with him:



Only option now is the legal route. Take him to the small claims court if it's under €2000 and get a solicitor if it isn't.

200 to send him the notice or appear for a case. How long will it take and will it require my presence in the country?

What to do with road tax issue until then or transfer of ownership.

ggmat799

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Bringing in 'contacts' in the Gardai to bully someone in a small car sale would be a path towards a serious GSOC investigation and could well be career ending.

I did not understand this please.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Details here:


https://www.ccpc.ie/consumers/how-to-complain/small-claims-procedure/

ClosedAccountFuzzy

ggmat799 wrote: »

I did not understand this please.

Calling in "contacts in the Guards" to bully a customer would likely end with a complaint to GSOC. They can't do what you're suggesting might happen.

If no crime is being committed the Gardai have no role in this. It would be a civil matter.

ggmat799

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Calling in "contacts in the Guards" to bully a customer would likely end with a complaint to GSOC. They can't do what you're suggesting might happen.

If no crime is being committed the Gardai have no role in this. It would be a civil matter.

That's is what I told wife.

If we have taken the car without paying him, it was criminal. We were simply asking to check the car before we move rest of the money. She was afraid that what if cops are in his pocket situation? if I can use this term here. I will delete, if not allowed.

colm_mcm

Ok. The fact is the car is yours now.
You really have no meaningful recourse with the seller.

Does the VIN number on the car match the registration document you signed?

The motor tax can’t be done until the ownership transfers

ClosedAccountFuzzy

They're not in his pocket. He's just mouthing off and making ludicrous threats.

The only response to a threat like that is to say "ok call them. Or do you want me to call them for you?"

From what you're saying, nothing you did was unusual and most definitely wasn't illegal.

It would appear that you completed the transaction though and the car is now yours.

Once the change of ownership is processed (usually very fast), you'll get a new Vehicle Registration Certificate and then you can tax the car.

ggmat799

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

They're not in his pocket. He's just mouthing off and making ludicrous threats.

The only response to a threat like that is to say "ok call them. Or do you want me to call you them for you?"

From what you're saying, nothing you did was unusual and most definitely wasn't illegal.

It would appear that you completed the transaction though and the car is now yours.

Once the change of ownership is processed (usually very fast), you'll get a new Vehicle Registration Certificate and then you can tax the car.

That's is the concern here. He said he will drop it off VRC in the post box outside the SV, we checked he did not and simply walked away.

He did not even send revised sales receipt inspite of his promise to send one with correct car details.

What he did KARMA will get to him, even if I do not action upon. How about above 2 please

ggmat799

colm_mcm wrote: »

Ok. The fact is the car is yours now.
You really have no meaningful recourse with the seller.

Does the VIN number on the car match the registration document you signed?

The motor tax can’t be done until the ownership transfers

My mood was so off, simply parked the car home. Will go and check in a bit.

That's is the concern here. He said he will drop it off VRC in the post box outside the SV, we checked he did not and simply walked away. What if he does not post it?? he said last 6 digits were PIN, that is not working either.

colm_mcm

Last 6 digits of the registration cert serial number are the pin (for the current owner)
When new cert issued, the last 6 digits of the new registration cert serial number will be your pin.

If he doesn’t post it, there’s a procedure you can follow to get a new one. For now - go on the basis that he will post.

ggmat799

colm_mcm wrote: »

Last 6 digits of the registration cert serial number are the pin (for the current owner)
When new cert issued, the last 6 digits of the new registration cert serial number will be your pin.

If he doesn’t post it, there’s a procedure you can follow to get a new one. For now - go on the basis that he will post.

Agreed. and until the not use the car is the best bet. Perhaps, if he drags it will file a case in SCC. 200e is fine to be honest.

From where can I get break lights/bulbs changed for rear, Cruise Control not working and steering noises. Any suggestions please.

colm_mcm

What car is it?


Ref the SCC, is this guy working for an actual garage, with a premises etc? Or is he as I suspect, a trader who operates outside the ideals of Revenue and the law?
If the latter, you’re wasting your time.

Doctors room ghost

I tried reading this thread and my fcukin head hurts after it.

bazz26

I'm sitting back with a beer and popcorn watching how this entire episode pans out.

ggmat799

bazz26 wrote: »

I'm sitting back with a beer and popcorn watching how this entire episode pans out.

See you are not missing F1 season are you. With RB finally thrashing Merc

fryup

name & shame OP, don't let others fall victim to this charlatan

(give us a county at least)

ggmat799

colm_mcm wrote: »

What car is it?


Ref the SCC, is this guy working for an actual garage, with a premises etc? Or is he as I suspect, a trader who operates outside the ideals of Revenue and the law?
If the latter, you’re wasting your time.

Old Civic Hatch. He only met in a super market parking lot. Receipt was in name of a private company and if I remember with no address.

Never-mind, as I said as long as we get Registration sorted we should perhaps move on?

All of you helped and guided - Sorry for the frustration vented out here.

My friend suggested to post here and seek inputs and may be help forget the crap incidence. He was posting earlier for me.

ggmat799

fryup wrote: »

name & shame OP, don't let others fall victim to this charlatan

(give us a county at least)

How about precise details as soon as I'm out of here/country in a bit. lol...Joking

ggmat799

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I tried reading this thread and my fcukin head hurts after it.

Ur id suggest you already know what to do with headache.

colm_mcm

The good news is the civic is generally a very good car.

The rear light bulbs are a bit tricky to change on them compared to other cars, especially the ones on the hatch. Just get Halfords to change them.

With the Cruise Control. There’s a clicky “Cruise” switch on the right hand side of the wheel, nearest the horn. Does that make the ‘cruise main’ light on the instrument cluster go on/off?

Atlantic Dawn

ggmat799 wrote: »

Old Civic Hatch. He only met in a super market parking lot. Receipt was in name of a private company and if I remember with no address..

So it wasn't a car dealership you met him in at all? Just some random lad with a sideline selling cars?

ggmat799

colm_mcm wrote: »

The good news is the civic is generally a very good car.

The rear light bulbs are a bit tricky to change on them compared to other cars, especially the ones on the hatch. Just get Halfords to change them.

With the Cruise Control. There’s a clicky switch on the right hand side of the wheel, nearest the horn. Does that make the ‘cruise main’ light on the instrument cluster go on/off?

It does. Sorry for a cheap car, if I m being demanding and expecting the cruise to work.

Green light does come one. Thanks

colm_mcm

Ok, green light needs to be on for it to work.

Drive the car, and when up to speed (think it needs to be over 40k for it to work) press the Decel/Set button. You’ll now have a second green light on the instrument cluster and cruise is activated.

The Res/Accel increases your speed, and the Decel/Set button decreases it. “Cancel” cancels, and “Res” resumes.

ggmat799

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

So it wasn't a car dealership you met him in at all? Just some random lad with a sideline selling cars?

Via Donedeal. It was listed as company, so thought it was a good right.

Infini

Honestly you should have called the guards on HIM. Fecker sounds like hes pulling a scam for sure.

Lantus

Just to clarify. There were major issues with the car and potentially many more. The dealer was aggressive and a known liar. But you still handed over all your money?

And now you want to blame someone else? Did I miss anything??

fryup

Ya OP are you telling us everything??

Lantus

Lantus wrote: »

Just to clarify. There were major issues with the car and potentially many more. The dealer was aggressive and a known liar. But you still handed over all your money?

And now you want to blame someone else? Did I miss anything??

Yes you are missing some things because you didn’t bother reading the posters posts and instead went for a smart ar5e post.

At the stage of handover the OP had previously left a deposit of €700 / 35%(yes this was a very stupid thing to do). At handover the seller became aggressive and OP feared getting nothing and on top to that his wife pressured him to conclude the deal. I also imagine the OP did not enjoy this nasty experience playing out in front of his wife and young children and wanted out of there

Darc19

Why not simply name the dealer and let others be warned.

But handing over a cash deposit without checking the car is just stupid. Really stupid.

Every half decent dealer will accept card payments. Card payments are protected if something goes wrong.

Name the dealer and others will not fall for the scam.


You also have the option of taking a small claims court action assuming it is a real company.


I suspect it's one of these cash for car types that tend to sell carpet, do driveways, dodgy roofs and gutters.

fryup

c'mon OP give us a link to the ad or other ad's he has going

ggmat799

Lantus wrote: »

Just to clarify. There were major issues with the car and potentially many more. The dealer was aggressive and a known liar. But you still handed over all your money?

And now you want to blame someone else - How can I blame NAMELESS ? Did I miss anything??

Lol. Where did I even blame him. I simply blamed my wife - Why are you getting offended.

Also, did I not say I m here to check options available.Did I also not say possibly because it is not a practice to check cheap used car and he was offended.

All you missed is a PINT, I guess and take it easy. Please tke one or few, else I will BLAME YOU FOR STRESS.

Keep it light mate, we all make mistakes and share here for other to learn and perhaps learn from comments of others. Or perhaps vent it out.

I think writing here discreetly is civil then fighting with LIARS on street.

ggmat799

fryup wrote: »

c'mon OP give us a link to the ad or other ad's he has going

See other are saying that I m looking to blame someone. I did not even name him.

Imagine, if I name him or his ads, what will people say about me? REVENGE TAKER LOL

Will share name and evidence (Visuals) at some stage, if matter reaches such bad shape.

Good night :-)

ggmat799

colm_mcm wrote: »

Ok, green light needs to be on for it to work.

Drive the car, and when up to speed (think it needs to be over 40k for it to work) press the Decel/Set button. You’ll now have a second green light on the instrument cluster and cruise is activated.

The Res/Accel increases your speed, and the Decel/Set button decreases it. “Cancel” cancels, and “Res” resumes.

Thanks a lot, you are so sound with your advice.

I followed it as you said - Had one on last car. May be, the fuse is gone.

Thanks for help : You and rest.

biko

Closed on request.