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  • 03-07-2021 10:25pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 31 WertdeerSC


    "On December 14, 2020 Singapore’s Ministry of Health communicated a summary of the steps it took to contain a raging Covid-19 breakout in its migrant worker living facilities. The report itself claimed that the city-state had over 320,000 migrant workers living in cramped dormitories and around 47% (or a little over 152,000) contracted Covid-19. There were only two deaths and 25 admissions to ICU. That gives us an infection fatality rate of .0013% and a hospitalisation rate of .016%.

    The short answer to what this means is that it confirms earlier data that people under 65 are largely safe from Covid.
    In this case it seems like the death rate was especially low, which seems to align with a recent study published by Dr. John Ioannidis with the WHO. According to the study,
    “In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.” (99.95% chance it won't kill you)

    Article source, https://www.aier.org/article/singapores-covid-experience-and-overestimated-death-rates/
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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭ Dante


    1/10, very weak effort.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭ karlitob


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    That more people that I know of, have negatively impacted by the vaccine/s than the virus. Yet societally, it's somehow wrong of me to have concerns about the vaccines.

    Firstly, you need to articulate yourself better. This is the first that you’ve mentioned vaccines.

    Secondly - and it’s a genuine question - you don’t honestly think that your observation….based on your experience….with absolutely no knowledge or virology….is somehow valid when compared against the decades and decades of research worldwide in the area of public health, pandemics, infections, viruses and vaccines.

    Thirdly, there are no deaths in ireland from the vaccine - despite 4.7m been given. There’s been 5000 deaths from Covid in ireland.

    Fourthly, have an ol look at the deaths rates in India recently for more perspective.

    Finally, I don’t suppose many people in ‘society’ really cares what your opinion is on vaccines - good or bad. Take it; don’t take - no one cares.

    But not taking it has consequences for you and the rest of us. You may have to quarantine on return from travel; you may not be allowed to work in the job that you want. And indoor dining may be postponed etc.

    Whatever you want to do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭ scooby77


    It's an interesting area for discussion, though not strictly Covid related. Though it's late on a Saturday, so forgive me for paraphrasing articles I've read over past number of years without sources, and a few generalisations, and it's based on research findings which could be plain wrong!
    It could be assumed that the migrant workers are from deprived, or at least poorer areas (Indian subcontinent or Africa) Some studies have shown that many from deprived areas actually have hyper active immune systems throughout childhood and early adult years. However there's a pay back- lower life expectancy, possibly due to the stress on the body this causes. One example of such a longitudinal
    study was of some estates in Glasgow eg Calton which had lowest life expectancy in Europe, 54, in mid 00's( in fact lower than Iraq even during war). Those enrolled in the study actually rarely got sick in their youth or early adulthood, even from common illnesses. Yet rates of heart disease, stroke etc in late 40s/ 50s etc was through the roof. ( Yes drug, alcohol abuse etc far higher but this was factored in).
    So based on some studies it could be assumed that younger adults from deprived areas, would actually have " better" immune systems.
    The first wave in India showed similar results. In slums of Calcutta and Delhi very few showed any symptoms of Covid. (Though they were rarely overweight, and the high level of diabetes in India is mainly seen in the Middle classes) However studies involving antibody tests showed a very high level throughout that population.
    To digress slightly, and to over simplify, in some areas of Africa where one form of Malaria is present, sickle cell anemia is far more common than the norm. It appears to offer protection against that form of malaria. However it generally leads to serious complications in later life, and shortens it.
    Tl;Dr nature/ evolution/ whatever is very good at ensuring you live long enough to procreate and rear offspring. It appears some or many from deprived areas have stronger immune systems up to early adulthood, and this may apply to Covid as with everything else. However, as with everything, the piper must be paid...


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