Kilkenny GAA Thread

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202864#Comment_123202864

Yes and a lot of the younger players have no fear of Kilkenny, have bet them in minor and u20 consistently in championship the last 5/6 years

Box to box

Wexford are a completely different team with chin. The clare full back line was desperate today.Kk know they will have it all to do to beat them below in wexford Park. You would hope lyng will go with the same team next Saturday against cork. Its vital he finds a few players for the championship and at the same time he will want to get gametime into donnelly and Mullen because its only 8 weeks to the championship. Does anyone know is Owen Wall still on the panel?

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123203129#Comment_123203129

How long more are Donnelly and Mullen out for ? I believe they have a problem keeping players on the panel, lads dropping themselves off it . Is Owen Wall one of these ?

lim4ev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123200511#Comment_123200511

As much as I'd love you to be correct re Limerick being the standard bearers in the years to come I just can't see it. Yes we have superb facilities,mgmt ,coaching etc etc and we are developing players but for me the fact remains that outside of the known younger lads coming Adam English,o brien,o Neill etc I'd be amazed if the younger lads proved to be as good as the current great players we have. I'd love to be proven wrong of course.

conor05

Heard Wall left the panel, but he was getting zero minutes on the pitch in fairness to him.

I said it before the semi final v Clare last year, the biggest problem for Lyng at the minute is everyone knows his front 6 or 7 forwards in January that he will be playing in June/July.

Mullen, Donnelly, Billy/Phelan

Mossy, TJ, Cody

You can interchange Mullen with Kenny to midfield but nobody else is really challenging up front this past two years.

Box to box

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123203164#Comment_123203164

Donnelly had that operation on his hand and Mullen got injured in that challenge match against offally. Owen Wall I don't know. Tom phelan is still there,don't know what's wrong with him. Mackassey isn't far away. Tommy Walsh wasn't seen since last year and was named to start today so ya wouldn't know but not many can turn it on straight away they need games.

Siaranbealach82

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123195522#Comment_123195522

Claregalway have done a lot better than anyone expected, and have come out of nowhere. Most of that team are footballers, and very good footballers at that. They'll have more silverware in football than they'll ever have in hurling.

Marrooned

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202765#Comment_123202765

ye it has to be something like that it’s not wore out with the amount of games. When was the last time there was a match called off in Nowlan Park because of rain? Clare seem to be certain relegations candidates having to lay the same teams as ourselves, we need at least one more point to remain safe.

Sir Chaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123203379#Comment_123203379

yeh a big physical team by all accounts as well as plenty of good hurlers. CBS more of a lighter, pacey team reliant on off the shoulder running and by all accounts a very heavy pitch played havoc with that tactic, however 2 missed goal chances and 5 out of last 6 frees missed also means they still should have won the game. Would be harsh to be critical of any of them though when realistically they are coming at least a year early and maybe even 2, with 12 of the starting team eligible again next year and 7 TY's starting. Well done to Claregalway a huge result for them.

The_Ghost

just don’t see how Wexford are a completely different team with Lee Chin in it? Yes him Rory and Mac are good but come championship they’ll be nowhere near it. Munster teams will be praying for them. With the defence Wexford have and even with the crowd if you couldn’t beat them just pack it in. Just a week ago Carlow beat them home in a practise game 5-24 to 18 or something. Leinster looking more competitive with Offaly which is great. Ravenhill, Dignam and Screeney to come back is great to see. Think they had as much as 7 of the under 20 team that beat us starting one game in the league. We beat Limerick inde u-20 but look at it now we’ve nobody from that team they’ve lads who’d walk onto our panel. Mullen and Coady last top prospects we’ve produced. If we get to Leinster final this year (which we should) what changes from the team that lost to Clare in the semi final last year would we expect? Maybe Shane Murphy and J Molloy is that enough? No chance. Shine will be nowhere near it come then. Billy Drennan has got worse. McCarthy from Tipp could hit frees for days and 5 pts from play against a good cork team, we don’t even have a back up free taker to rely on . TJ and prayer again this year like it’s been since ‘15. What’s up with Mullin started against Waterford in a challenge game went off after 10 seconds never seen again.

KK36

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123199679#Comment_123199679

No doubt it's me you're misquoting there.

Never said he was no good. I just merely pointed out that too many Tipp lads were raving about him despite the fact that he had scored 1 (ONE) point from play up to that.

He was excellent against Cork the other night.

biglad40isback

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123203632#Comment_123203632

Wexford scrape to an ai quarter each year and meet the munster runner up and get smashed. If they stumbled in to a semi v limerick it would be open season

conor05

I’d argue Mullen and Cody are a product of the coaching in Ballyhale more so than a product of anything Kilkenny have produced.

They came into a Ballyhale set up with Michael & Colin Fennelly, all the Reid’s, Joey Holden etc with Shefflin as manager.

neverbet

Some lads are gas,

Galway and Wexford are no hopers after one round of the league when in reality both are amongst five teams with a realistic chance of progressing from Leinster. Shane McGrath was doing a Mickey Walsh on it on radio yesterday writing off Wexford after 10 minutes while love bombing TK. Nicky Brennan and others on local radio already had CBS in AI semi without any consideration of Claregalway. Sometimes you are better to wait a while. While I am at it Wexford deserve a lot of credit and respect for their performance yesterday while Clare would leave you wondering what is going on down there.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123204639#Comment_123204639

I for one thought that Kilkenny would be guaranteed to win Leinster this year. We have won the last 5 and going off last year there was very little between, Dublin, Wexford, Galway, Antrim and Carlow who were all poor/average. But the lack of players sticking out for Kilkenny is of high concern as some of the "regulars" over last 4/5 years are clearly not good enough when we reach Croke Park in later summer. I was hoping that some of the younger players would make us stronger but this does not seem the case and the chasing pack is catching us fast.

What is concerning is the number of players dropping themselves off the panel or refusing to go in when asked.

Kilkenny supporters are longing for younger players to come in and energise us with hope, potential, excitement like the days when Tommy Walsh, Riche Power etc came on the scene

jamesbond2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123205247#Comment_123205247

I would agree completely even if you look at tipp they have added a lot of pace to there team with a lot of new young players who can run and are hungry

There’s still an awful staleness to our panel

Although we will probably get to a Leinster final I can see us being tactically out smarted by the likes of Dublin Offaly or Galway

kentu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123205438#Comment_123205438

Whenever Dublin are tipped to do anything big they always flatter to deceive against Kilkenny and Munster teams, Wexford have proved enough at this stage they are just not consisntent granted they are very capable of beating Kilkenny, Galway and Offaly are the 2 teams I would be most worried about.

Very Very few players look capable of breaking into Kilkenny team though which as everyone has pointed out is a big concern.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123205594#Comment_123205594

Dublin won't beat Kilkenny. Absolutely zero chance

neverbet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123204547#Comment_123204547

To be fair that Shamrocks team was the Club equivalent of Limerick at County. That said neither Cody or Mullen have come anywhere near what TJ, Henry and the two Fennellys contributed to the County team as yet. They would need to start leading like that quartet did and in TJs case is still doing or they will continue to disappoint. Shamrocks continued to win titles after Henry left as manager and why wouldn't they with the panel they had.Henry the two Fennellys, the Reids and Joey all played and were coached under Cody and all of them captained Kilkenny which means they were winning Clubs and All Irelands for years under several managers. Its all about talent.

conor05

My point was more that Kilkenny didn’t produce these hurlers, Ballyhale did.

They went on to do extraordinary things with Kilkenny and there is no doubt Cody brought them to a higher level in regards to what is required to be an all round top class inter county hurler but it is Ballyhale who have produced 6 x different all Ireland winning senior captains and 3 x Texaco hurler of the years and 3 x young hurlers of the years (Cha, A Mullen and 2 x E Cody)

The Ballyhale development template actually produces very little underage success for the club but really focuses in on developing players between the age of 19-22, maybe something our county board should look into.

Krazy gang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123203983#Comment_123203983

Fair enough. But he's only 19. Can't expect him to be starring in every game. Even last Saturday he was quiet in the second half when niall ó Leary went on him. But it's obvious they think a lot of him when he's taking frees ahead of Forde and o connor.

KK36

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123206306#Comment_123206306

He's good no doubt.

Unfortunately everybody is considered the same age on a senior field.

biglad40isback

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123206066#Comment_123206066

but bookies would prob say one chance in 3 or 4

jamesbond2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123206066#Comment_123206066

I would have said that to a few years ago but I know it’s early in the year but we seem to be going backwards

jamesbond2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123205594#Comment_123205594

They definetly do completely flopped in the Leinster final last year and in previous years

Wexford are consistently good at getting up to a peak to beat us there biggest game every year as you said

But if kk keep hurling in fits and starts going long periods without scoring and drifting in and out of games and not finishing teams off like they have been the last few seasons there going to be caught out

Unless there’s some kind of evolution in our tactics and new players in the starting 15 this year we’re very predictable and easy for other teams to prepare for it will come back to bite us eventually

Nedflanders02

Sad news coming out of Cork, Ray Ryan brother of Cork manager Pat has passed away at the age of 43. Very sad, he would have been on the Cork panel in the noughties, condolences to the Ryan family and all in Cork and Sarsfield's GAA, put's a lot of things we complain about here into perspective.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123208792#Comment_123208792

RIP, i remember his playing. A great club player. Will this effect the Cork v Kilkenny match Saturday.

Just on the redevelopment of the "dump" how do clubs like Glenmore and Mooncoin feel about this. Going forward everything will be there from trainings to matches on the all weather, development squads county training. Its a long way for a lot of these clubs. I am trying to think of something similar being developed in Mullinavat, how would Castlecomer and Fenians etc feel about this.

babyjesus14

Anyone hear anything about a time and date for the Limerick match? I assume it will be the weekend of 15th/16th, no hurling that weekend, but haven't seen any official confirmation.

jimmythesulk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212054#Comment_123212054

Sure that part of the county doesn't produce hurlers, apart from Glenmore. Piltown, mooncoin, kilmacow and slieverue may as well be in Waterford, as the amount they have contributed to our senior hurling team in recent decades is zero.

jamesbond2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212054#Comment_123212054

Don’t think it’s a big issue kilkenny is a small county compared to the likes of cork Kerry or even Waterford

Also the motorway from Waterford makes the trip a lot easier

Where ever you put a centre of excellence someone will always say it should be somewhere else