Russia fire warning shots at British Navy

paul71

FileNotFound wrote: »

That is some stretch of the imagination - poster above gave a pretty simple and accurate clarification if your very confused.

I am sorry I thought you had quoted my post. I see you quoted the previous poster.

Timberrrrrrrr

TefalBrain wrote: »

Big lose for the UK actually. The Brits looked like they shat their pants when confronted and head for the hills. I suppose it wasn't a few lads in a Toyota Hilux, a few AK47's and some black flags so they weren't really up for it. :pac:

Rule Brittania indeed.

:rolleyes:

Jeremy Sproket

paul71 wrote: »

The status of Northern Ireland is subject to a binding international agreement between 2 democratic governments, whereby the British government must hold hold a referendum where it appears that a majority in the North would prefer a change in their status.

The status of Crimea was determined by the miltary invasion of the sovereign territory of a democratic state by a dictatorship.

Instead of your flawed analogy I would vention to say a more accurate analogy would be if the UK decided to invade and annex the parts of Donegal or Monaghan that retain majority Unionist populations.

The status of NI was only ratified by a referendum on both sides in 1998.
So by that reasoning, NI was no different to Crimea prior to that agreement GFA).

i.e., NI was annexed by gerrymandering on sectarian grounds no different to Crimea. I'm not a Russian apologist btw, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Oh, an Russia isn't a dictatorship.

FileNotFound

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

The status of NI was only ratified by a referendum on both sides in 1998.
So by that reasoning, NI was no different to Crimea prior to that agreement GFA).

i.e., NI was annexed by gerrymandering on sectarian grounds no different to Crimea. I'm not a Russian apologist btw, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Oh, an Russia isn't a dictatorship.

So you are using an invasion 100's of years ago (when the brits controlled the whole island is the start of what became NI in fairness) to say that you support russian aggression now???

Strange standard you set there

Timberrrrrrrr

FileNotFound wrote: »

In what sense? Stealing others land is a thing of the past, civilization has progressed thankfully.


Sadly poor little ruskies haven't, like I said going the way of North Korea these days.


They act the maggot and deserve to be called out for it and the civilized world should do all it can to punish them accordingly. Mind you going green will do that quick enough.

So no other countries steal land?

The Palestinians might disagree with you on that one.

85603

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

The status of NI was only ratified by a referendum on both sides in 1998.
So by that reasoning, NI was no different to Crimea prior to that agreement GFA).

i.e., NI was annexed by gerrymandering on sectarian grounds no different to Crimea. I'm not a Russian apologist btw, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Oh, an Russia isn't a dictatorship.

It does look an awful lot like a dictatorship.

You know with the same incredibly rich, authoritarian, strongman in power for over 20 years.

(In person, or indirectly through his meat puppet Medvedev.)

Labaik

paul71 wrote: »

Are they good places today? No, but without at least the effort that was made they would be Syria.

You wont get your heart cut out or head chopped off for being a Catholic in Syrian territory under the control of Assad. Libya on the other hand.....

FileNotFound

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So no other countries steal land?

The Palestinians might disagree with you on that one.

Fully agree, oversight on my part and in fairness response was in error to a poster responding to me in error.

I am no fan of israel specifically because of this.


Other nations bad actions are no excuse of the dirty rat actions of the russian state. They know that having a nuclear arsenal allows them to get away with a lot and use that too much.



Why are so many posters here using other nations evil to defend russian evil??


I am confused by such a standpoint.

FileNotFound

Labaik wrote: »

You wont get your heart cut out or head chopped off for being a Catholic in Syrian territory under the control of Assad. Libya on the other hand.....

Are you still trying to defend dirty russian actions??


Well fair play I suppose, takes a strong mind to defend the indefensible.

Labaik

FileNotFound wrote: »

Are you still trying to defend dirty russian actions??


Well fair play I suppose, takes a strong mind to defend the indefensible.

You must of missed the posts where I said i dont defend Russian actions in Crimea.

TefalBrain

TefalBrain wrote: »

Big lose for the UK actually. The Brits looked like they shat their pants when confronted and head for the hills. I suppose it wasn't a few lads in a Toyota Hilux, a few AK47's and some black flags so they weren't really up for it. :pac:

Rule Brittania indeed.

Lol.

There isn’t a man or woman aboard that ship that wasn’t enjoying it.

When you train constantly for this exact scenario (a type 45 destroyer having up to twenty aircraft posing a potential threat) and you finally get to put that training into action with a real live enemy, you don’t have time to shut the bed.

It’s the same when the RAF go up against Russian bears over the north and west of these islands, both sets of pilots are fully focused on the job at hand, but loving every second of it as well. The

Timberrrrrrrr

FileNotFound wrote: »

Fully agree, oversight on my part and in fairness response was in error to a poster responding to me in error.

I am no fan of israel specifically because of this.


Other nations bad actions are no excuse of the dirty rat actions of the russian state. They know that having a nuclear arsenal allows them to get away with a lot and use that too much.



Why are so many posters here using other nations evil to defend russian evil??


I am confused by such a standpoint.

I'm not defending Russia, I just don't see them.as the boogy man that some seem to. As far as I'm concerned they are doing nothing worse than America, Britain, Israel have or are doing.

FileNotFound

Labaik wrote: »

You must of missed the posts where I said i dont defend Russian actions in Crimea.

I did most certainly.

In that case we are most likely aligned that russians are being modern day sh1tbags just like Israel.

The UK and US have and will be again - though they do a better job on the international propaganda front.

Labaik

FileNotFound wrote: »

The UK and US have and will be again - though they do a better job on the international propaganda front.

Correct. Western media do a great job of that.

Calahonda52

Wait till that flotilla gets to the South China sea and the presence of maybe 10,000 "fishing boats" like the ones in the Philippines

https://news.mongabay.com/2021/03/chinese-fishing-fleet-anchored-on-philippine-reef-raises-tensions/

FileNotFound

Labaik wrote: »

Correct. Western media do a great job of that.

When you say western media these days - do you mean the world reaching media on multiple platforms?

Is the only non western media the state runs ones in countries like russia, china and NK?


Serious question by the way...

agoodpunt

FileNotFound wrote: »

I did most certainly.

In that case we are most likely aligned that russians are being modern day sh1tbags just like Israel.

The UK and US have and will be again - though they do a better job on the international propaganda front.

Likely Russia is doing worst in syria and elsewhere just no one brave enough or would live to tell the tale, unlike Israel amonst countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth who does allow reporting.


Russia/China kills and censures journalists so dont have to worry about propaganda in there pretend freeworld societies laughing at the west's freedoms and human rights entitlements



If you hate the west why do you live here? assuming you do

Gatling

TefalBrain wrote: »

Big lose for the UK actually. The Brits looked like they shat their pants when confronted and head for the hills. .

They never changed course despite being heavily outnumbered ,and more or less surrounded .
They stayed there course ,

Russians backed down

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

They never changed course despite being heavily outnumbered ,and more or less surrounded .
They stayed there course ,

Russians backed down

They looked pretty freaked in the BBC video,like why is our government after sending us here for,**** just got real,real fast....provocation that's why
Instead of handing them out white protective clothing they should have supplied them with new jocks aswell

Fiery mutant

Freight bandit wrote: »

They looked pretty freaked in the BBC video,like why is our government after sending us here for,**** just got real,real fast....provocation that's why
Instead of handing them out white protective clothing they should have supplied them with new jocks aswell

Ridiculous comment! What makes you think they are afraid. Potential combat is a high energy, high adrenaline scenario. Did you expect them to look like they are lounging on the beach sipping beers or something.

The British military is a highly trained, all volunteer, heavily armed force. There is no doubting the Russian military is a force to be reckoned with, but portraying the British as ‘****ting their pants’ is just idiocy.

Gatling

Freight bandit wrote: »

They looked pretty freaked in the BBC video,like why is our government after sending us here

They are professional naval personal doing what they are paid to .
Much like the bots on here

Sunny Disposition

Of course the guys on the ship were afraid, the Russian army was threatening them, naturally they were very nervous. Anyone would be. Thankfully it didn't escalate further.

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

They are professional naval personal doing what they are paid to .
Much like the bots on here

0.10.....looks like anxiety etched on those young faces..

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-57587777

In fairness they're miles from home,on their lonesome with rissian jets circling them....easy pickings,like a sitting duck I'd be bricking it too

BluePlanet

Why is Britain putting a warship near Crimea?
Looking for fight.

Timberrrrrrrr

Freight bandit wrote: »

0.10.....looks like anxiety etched on those young faces..

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-57587777

In fairness they're miles from home,on their lonesome with rissian jets circling them....easy pickings,like a sitting duck I'd be bricking it too

Nervous does not equal "bricking it". They know that one wrong move by either side could trigger a war, of course tensions are going to be running high.

Amazing how many keyboard warriors are able to "know" how anyone in that situation was feeling :rolleyes:

Freight bandit

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nervous does not equal "bricking it". They know that one wrong move by either side could trigger a war, of course tensions are going to be running high.

Amazing how many keyboard warriors are able to "know" how anyone in that situation was feeling :rolleyes:

Well they probably should have thought of that before setting sail to cause provocation

Timberrrrrrrr

Freight bandit wrote: »

Well they probably should have thought of that before setting sail to cause provocation

You mean sailing in international waters? How terrible of them :rolleyes:

Freight bandit

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You mean sailing in international waters? How terrible of them :rolleyes:

You'd want to be a dufus to not believe they deliberately set out to stir some ****....and they got it, they even had a BBC reporter on board, how convenient

cnocbui

Russia now threatening they really will bomb them next time if they try that again. And they will bring along their mummy to watch next ttime to prove they won too.

Have we any evidence of these bombs being dropped in the path of the ship? Haven't seen any footage of that.

cnocbui

Freight bandit wrote: »

You'd want to be a dufus to not believe they deliberately set out to stir some ****....and they got it, they even had a BBC reporter on board, how convenient

They deliberately set out to prove a point and they achieved that objective. There was also a DM reporter, I believe. Yes very convenient to have reporters on hand to counter Russian lies and propaganda.

Labaik

Its mad how by coincidence there was a BBC reporter on board the HMS defender. They poked the Russians and got a response job done, now they can report yet again how bad Russia are. The masses don't buy this anti Russian propaganda anymore.

Freight bandit

cnocbui wrote: »

They deliberately set out to prove a point and they achieved that objective. There was also a DM reporter, I believe. Yes very convenient to have reporters on hand to counter Russian lies and propaganda.

With British propaganda....the Mod and the BBC even contradicted each other,someone's telling porkies
The only objective they achieved was stirring up ****...they cry out in pain as they strike you springs to mind

Bass Reeves

Freight bandit wrote: »

With British propaganda....the Mod and the BBC even contradicted each other,someone's telling porkies
The only objective they achieved was stirring up ****...they cry out in pain as they strike you springs to mind

At some stage you have to stand up to a bully. It immaterial whether it's a person or a country. The exact same thing happened in the 1930's with Hitler. He continued to bully and annex other nations until it became untenable.

When the USSR fell apart and Ukraine established itself as a nation to get it to decommission nuclear weapons the EU and the US gave it guarantee's that if it ever was in a situation it requires them for defense they would stand by Ukraine.

When Putin got the Russian army to invade Crimea the EU and the US under Obama blinked and we have continued to blink since.

At some stage we need to make him blink

Strazdas

Labaik wrote: »

Its mad how by coincidence there was a BBC reporter on board the HMS defender. They poked the Russians and got a response job done, now they can report yet again how bad Russia are. The masses don't buy this anti Russian propaganda anymore.

It's similar to the French gunboats story. The same propaganda sheets and the BBC failed to report that many Jersey fishermen were angry with the Brexit government, not with France.

Timberrrrrrrr

Freight bandit wrote: »

You'd want to be a dufus to not believe they deliberately set out to stir some ****....and they got it, they even had a BBC reporter on board, how convenient

Again...absolutely clueless, you know that reporters are often on board these ships right?

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

It's similar to the French gunboats story. The same propaganda sheets and the BBC failed to report that many Jersey fishermen were angry with the Brexit government, not with France.

what a load of garbled rubbish.

Gatling

cnocbui wrote: »

Have we any evidence of these bombs being dropped in the path of the ship? Haven't seen any footage of that.

Absolutely nothing from them evidence wise ,the bbc were on board filming all we got from the Russians was a grainy b&w image looking at the ship , nothing else ,they said something similar 4 weeks ago about chasing off a British ship , which again never changing its course despite claims of warning shots

Capt'n Midnight

WrenBoy wrote: »

Side Question:
Are subs used / effective in modern warfare or are they going the way of the tank ?

Donald Trump wrote: »

Limited to six I think in normal time with three more in extra time

It depends on how many are active. Which was zero for the UK in Feb 2017

The four missile subs have a different job, and there's four to guarantee at least one is on patrol at any one time. The French have the same system. And what are the chances of boomers colliding ?


For navies it's not just now many boats they have, it's how many are ready at the moment.

paul71

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

The status of NI was only ratified by a referendum on both sides in 1998.
So by that reasoning, NI was no different to Crimea prior to that agreement GFA).

i.e., NI was annexed by gerrymandering on sectarian grounds no different to Crimea. I'm not a Russian apologist btw, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Oh, an Russia isn't a dictatorship.

There is no hypocrisy, as I said Europe except Russia has moved on from these petty disputes that have caused countless local wars and 2 world wars. The partition of Ireland happened 100 years and 35 yearsprior to European diplomacy growing up to its faults in 1945.

Russia a Democracy, you really have to be joking? Thats simply a self deluded statement.

Strazdas

Aegir wrote: »

what a load of garbled rubbish.

The Jersey government - France row was much more complicated than portrayed in the Brexit media. Many on the island were angry with Johnson for getting involved and had sympathy for the French position.

The way it was spun with the Royal Navy going in to 'defend the plucky Channel Islands from those nasty French' was a downright lie (and mostly a set up PR job).

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

The Jersey government - France row was much more complicated than portrayed in the Brexit media. Many on the island were angry with Johnson for getting involved and had sympathy for the French position.

The way it was spun with the Royal Navy going in to 'defend the plucky Channel Islands from those nasty French' was a downright lie (and mostly a set up PR job).

lol, no it wasn't, no they weren't and err, no it wasn't.

Otherwise, great job.

Strazdas

Aegir wrote: »

lol, no it wasn't, no they weren't and err, no it wasn't.

Otherwise, great job.

It was a minor local dispute between the Jersey government and French authorities over fishing licences (with many in Jersey having sympathy for the French fisherman). It was cynically hijacked by Johnson, sending in two Royal Navy gunboats to keep the Brexit tabloids and Tory voters suitably enraged.

This jingoistic nonsense was barely even reported or mentioned in the mainstream French media, despite being on the front pages of the Brexit press.

TefalBrain

Labaik wrote: »

Its mad how by coincidence there was a BBC reporter on board the HMS defender. They poked the Russians and got a response job done, now they can report yet again how bad Russia are. The masses don't buy this anti Russian propaganda anymore.

A lot still do unfortunately.

Gatling

TefalBrain wrote: »

A lot still do unfortunately.

Unfortunately bot are utterly useless ,they would be better off staying in the guardian comments section

Labaik

Bass Reeves wrote: »

At some stage you have to stand up to a bully. It immaterial whether it's a person or a country. The exact same thing happened in the 1930's with Hitler. He continued to bully and annex other nations until it became untenable.

Are you really comparing modern day Russia to Nazi Germany?

cnocbui

BluePlanet wrote: »

Why is Britain putting a warship near Crimea?
Looking for fight.

Well if that's your criteria for looking for a fight, then...

British RAF fighter jets were on Wednesday scrambled for a second time in the space of days to intercept Russian bomber planes entering Irish-controlled airspace off the west coast.

The Department of Transport confirmed commercial and private flights over the Atlantic had to be warned about the Russian military aircraft, which were flying without making contact with air traffic controllers.

“The department can confirm that it was advised this morning of what is termed unidentified radar tracks in an area of international airspace in the North Atlantic oceanic region controlled by the Irish Aviation Authority,” a spokesman said.

“At all times these radar tracks remained outside Irish sovereign airspace.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/russian-bombers-in-irish-airspace-for-second-time-in-days-1.4200213

The British ship was in international waters, just as the Russian bomber was in international aispace.

nigeldaniel

Russia has been pushing its luck to see what they can get away with. Its been doing this for a good numbers of year's now. Everything from staged activities to made up history. The fact is some day soon they will be so far down the rabbit hole they themselves will not reilise it. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia tries to sink a ship down a military jet and publish a load of naff to justify the action.

Bass Reeves

Labaik wrote: »

Are you really comparing modern day Russia to Nazi Germany?

No I am not, but as I said Ukraine was given assurances when it gave up its nuclear arsenal and these assurances were not backed up

However Putin's actions are similar to Hitler's in his use of armed forces to achieve objectives. He is also a virtual dictator on Russia.

He is already threatening more action against the Ukraine.

Labaik

Bass Reeves wrote: »

He is already threatening more action against the Ukraine.

We were told he was going to invade the whole of Ukraine, 10 years plus later still no sign of Vlad and co in Kiev.

Imagine the Russians instigated a coup and installed a pro Russian government in Mexico. The U.S would of done worse than what the Russians did and rightfully so.

RobMc59

nigeldaniel wrote: »

Russia has been pushing its luck to see what they can get away with. Its been doing this for a good numbers of year's now. Everything from staged activities to made up history. The fact is some day soon they will be so far down the rabbit hole they themselves will not reilise it. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia tries to sink a ship down a military jet and publish a load of naff to justify the action.

The Russians claim to have some pretty impressive weaponry,hypersonic missiles and aircraft.Obviously no one wants to see any escalation of these type of situations but the UK claims to have learned many lessons from the Falklands war when many of their warships were sitting targets for exorcets etc.
The type 45 destroyer is claimed to be cutting edge against air attacks and various missiles.Whether it could withstand a Russian missile attack for example though is debatable imo.