shorts in professional tournaments

magic_murph

Is there a reason why none of the Pros wear shorts during competitive rounds?

martinkop

Yes, they are not allowed to. Tour rules

slave1

Silly stuff, should be doing everything to grow the game, local club here emailed members recently about members being spotted not wearing proper golf attire, so the PGA guys can go collarless, rakes in hoodies at The Open but we get emails about it.

callaway92

Only in the last year they were permissioned to wear shorts in practice rounds.

Absolutely archaic rule by the way.

Probably will be allowed shorts in the next year-or-two.

magic_murph

Thought that was the case but also sounded so stupid. Guess it makes them look smarter but agree that it probably doesn't look 'cool' to the new breed of golfers coming through

bustercherry

slave1 wrote: »

Silly stuff, should be doing everything to grow the game, local club here emailed members recently about members being spotted not wearing proper golf attire, so the PGA guys can go collarless, rakes in hoodies at The Open but we get emails about it.

Collarless golf shirts (they still have a collar) and hoodies are proper golf attire.

To be honest, I'd just ban GAA, Football, Rugby etc... branded clothing.

Deeper Blue

The fact that they're expected to wear long pants in July/August in places like Memphis and New York is ludicrous. The heat in those places is unbelievable that time of year

sprucemoose

bustercherry wrote: »

To be honest, I'd just ban GAA, Football, Rugby etc... branded clothing.

nah rugby should be fine.......

bustercherry

sprucemoose wrote: »

nah rugby should be fine.......

That sentence has just summed up why it’s the worst. No difference in either

Mantis Toboggan

bustercherry wrote: »

Collarless golf shirts (they still have a collar) and hoodies are proper golf attire.

To be honest, I'd just ban GAA, Football, Rugby etc... branded clothing.

Hoodies are only golf attire in recent times and only because some players decided to wear them, once shorts are allowed they'll all be wearing them in warm conditions and that will then be "golf attire"

sprucemoose

bustercherry wrote: »

That sentence has just summed up why it’s the worst. No difference in either

it was a joke.....

blue note

Such a stupid rule. They could be playing in 40 degrees and have to wear long trousers.

And clubs having dress codes is stupid really. You're walking down fairways, not catwalks.

bustercherry

sprucemoose wrote: »

it was a joke.....

I know but there are plenty that do distinguish. I know a few in my own club giving out about others while they proudly wearing some sort of Leinster apparel.

sprucemoose

bustercherry wrote: »

I know but there are plenty that do distinguish. I know a few in my own club giving out about others while they proudly wearing some sort of Leinster apparel.

in fairness, once its not an actual jersey it should be fine, most of the polos are fairly simple and without sponsors. i dont really know what the GAA/soccer ones look like (most of their gear is horrendous and covered in random sponsors but that might just be jerseys) but if its just a polo with a badge/crest then it should be allowed

blue note

What's wrong with a jersey? We might not like the look of them, but I don't particularly like the look of golf gillets. Things shouldn't be banned because we don't like the look of them.

And there's an element of the pros looking a bit stupid playing in mid 30 degree heat sometimes in long pants. If you had mid 30s weather here and saw someone walking around in long pants I'd judge them.

Ottoman_1000

sprucemoose wrote: »

in fairness, once its not an actual jersey it should be fine, most of the polos are fairly simple and without sponsors. i dont really know what the GAA/soccer ones look like (most of their gear is horrendous and covered in random sponsors but that might just be jerseys) but if its just a polo with a badge/crest then it should be allowed

If your judging by looks then jasus some of the golf gear you see lads wearing on course in horrendous! I got pulled up last year by some lad for wearing a 3/4 zip gaa top. It was basically a plain navy top with crest!! While he was wearing some form of woolen/cashmere jumper I wouldn't put on the dog at home, you have to laugh at some of these lads...

Ottoman_1000

sprucemoose wrote: »

in fairness, once its not an actual jersey it should be fine, most of the polos are fairly simple and without sponsors. i dont really know what the GAA/soccer ones look like (most of their gear is horrendous and covered in random sponsors but that might just be jerseys) but if its just a polo with a badge/crest then it should be allowed

Also you do realise there is sponsors on all rugby jerseys and top to?

sprucemoose

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

Also you do realise there is sponsors on all rugby jerseys and top to?

jerseys yes but other stuff tends to not have anything other than the manufacturer

purpleisafruit

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

Also you do realise there is sponsors on all rugby jerseys and top to?

And most pro golfers shirts are essentially walking billboards

PARlance

I'm all for a bit of standard / formality around the golf club, without it being overly fussy. There's a great selection of golf gear to cater for young and old, all styles and sizes, all price brackets.

It's nice to keep a bit of class and style about the game. I think it's only a matter of time before they let the pros wear shorts, they don't do anything to bring down these standards imo.

Middle of the road opinion from me, I think. No sports jersey but also no requirement for a sports jacket in the Clubhouse would be where I'm at.

In a world where we get to see people in their pyjamas doing their shopping, it's nice to have some semi formal standards at the golf club.

sprucemoose

purpleisafruit wrote: »

And most pro golfers shirts are essentially walking billboards

this is true i suppose, at least they tend not to have one masive one across the chest like jerseys do. still, probably only a matter of time

Ottoman_1000

That's the Galway top I wear, I see no difference!!

apologies to harp on to you like this, but the golf attire c**p really gets me. Especially when its coming form lads that are going around in stuff from the 90's out there!!!

bustercherry

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

That's the Galway top I wear, I see no difference!!

apologies to harp on to you like this, but the golf attire c**p really gets me. Especially when its coming form lads that are going around in stuff from the 90's out there!!!

Neither of those should be allowed in a club. I'm one for relaxing the rules and the nearer golf gear is really nice but you have to draw the line. The line can't be ambiguous so it has to be no to all otherwise you need to let the english football jersey crowd in too.

It's up to individual clubs but IMO if you want to wear rugby gear, then go play rugby. Don't get me started on grown men walking around in replica jerseys either.

blue note

But why shouldn't they be allowed?

sprucemoose

bustercherry wrote: »

Neither of those should be allowed in a club

in fairness im not a big fan of the 'leinster' down the front, the previous version was basically the same thing minus that and id see no problem there

Ottoman_1000

bustercherry wrote: »

Neither of those should be allowed in a club. I'm one for relaxing the rules and the nearer golf gear is really nice but you have to draw the line. The line can't be ambiguous so it has to be no to all otherwise you need to let the english football jersey crowd in too.

It's up to individual clubs but IMO if you want to wear rugby gear, then go play rugby. Don't get me started on grown men walking around in replica jerseys either.

But why should they be allowed?? As I pointed out some of the "official" golf gear I see on lads out there is hideous and belongs in the 90's!!!

blue note

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

But why should they be allowed?? As I pointed out some of the "official" golf gear I see on lads out there is hideous and belongs in the 90's!!!

It can't be down to advertising either. Plenty of lads wearing the polo with the company logo they got at a golf day.

Ottoman_1000

blue note wrote: »

It can't be down to advertising either. Plenty of lads wearing the polo with the company logo they got at a golf day.

At the bottom of it all its just down to an archaic snobbery that will hopefully die out soon as the younger generation of golfer has very little time for it. The old grey haired white man in the suits brigade time is coming ti an end...

bustercherry

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

But why should they be allowed?? As I pointed out some of the "official" golf gear I see on lads out there is hideous and belongs in the 90's!!!

Because you have to draw the line somewhere and it has to be fair/unambiguous.

It can't be rugby branded clothing good and GAA/english soccer bad which seem to be the line a lot of people see. Especially in my own club where people had to be reminded.

There was also a perceived class thing behind some of it in our place too which needed to be stamped out.

PhilOssophy

Was thinking just this at the weekend, they should be allowed wear shorts.

Re the ordinary golfer, I definitely would have an issue with wearing a sports coat in a golf club. For a start, I would have to buy one. Secondly, I think it sounds a bit pretentious and old f-art ish. Thirdly, I think it would turn a lot of people off a club or going for a drink after a round if that was the sort of snootiness that was around.

That said, I'd hate to go in to a bar and see tracksuit bottoms and jerseys.

I'm sure as with everything else, a happy middle ground can be found.

blue note

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

At the bottom of it all its just down to an archaic snobbery that will hopefully die out soon as the younger generation of golfer has very little time for it. The old grey haired white man in the suits brigade time is coming ti an end...

I wouldn't phrase it like that.

I was just talking over the weekend about how every sport thinks it's amazing. In rugby you seem to have an historic result a few times a year. In hurling it's the greatest game in the world, fastest field sport etc. In soccer it's the biggest sport in the world. I'm sure every sport has something similar.

In golf you hear so much about the tradition of the game, the etiquette in the game and how noble it is that it can be self governed. In reality, it's just not feasible to have a ref with every group and we all acknowledge from time to time that cheating is probably quite common.

But definitely, the air of sophistication, refinement, integrity is how golf views itself as the best sport. And having people dressed in a semi formal way feeds helps this.

It's probably quite a healthy thing that every sport thinks they're the best. But it is all nonsense. Although I will admit to nodding along when people wax lyrical about a great game of hurling.

Ottoman_1000

bustercherry wrote: »

Because you have to draw the line somewhere and it has to be fair/unambiguous.

It can't be rugby branded clothing good and GAA/english soccer bad which seem to be the line a lot of people see. Especially in my own club where people had to be reminded.

There was also a perceived class thing behind some of it in our place too which needed to be stamped out.

I don't mind if its rugby/soccer/GAA. The point I was trying to make that a lot of the apparel these days from those associations is quite tidy and trendy (as apposed to back in day) and I think the golf etiquette needs to be updated as its simply does not appeal to the younger generation as it is currently.

I do however agree with you with the Rugby snobs who will happily go around in their teams gear while looking down on anyone else, don't get that myself!

Tilikum17

It’s ridiculous they can’t wear shorts especially with the caddy’s standing beside them wearing them.

Grown men in football jerseys though….chav.

PARlance

I think it's the being told what to wear that gets people's backs up more so than anything else tbh.

I've been at soccer trainings were someone might turn up in GAA shorts and he'll get a slagging. Vice versa with wearing a soccer top to GAA training. There are no "rules" like their may be in golf but there's a general understanding that you wear appropriate (or respectful) gear.

I wouldn't wear my GAA or Soccer 3/4 zip to Golf because I'm going golfing and I've got my golf clothing for that. Just like I wouldn't put my soccer 3/4 zip going to a GAA match.

GAA, Rugby, Soccer all have their own dress codes tbh, there's just no rules as such. But if you go down to training sessions or matches the majority of people will be in their uniforms. And it wouldn't go down all too well to be in the different code tbh. It's a respect thing in my book.

Some auld codgers in the club may not do the perception any good but I do think people's problem is being told what or what not to wear.

You can't really argue that a GAA zip is the same as a Golf zip on one hand (they are extremely similar a lot of the time) and not bother to wear the appropriate one imo.

Ottoman_1000

PARlance wrote: »

I think it's the being told what to wear that gets people's backs up more so than anything else tbh.

I've been at soccer trainings were someone might turn up in GAA shorts and he'll get a slagging. Vice versa with wearing a soccer top to GAA training. There are no "rules" like their may be in golf but there's a general understanding that you wear appropriate (or respectful) gear.

I wouldn't wear my GAA or Soccer 3/4 zip to Golf because I'm going golfing and I've got my golf clothing for that. Just like I wouldn't put my soccer 3/4 zip going to a GAA match.

GAA, Rugby, Soccer all have their own dress codes tbh, there's just no rules as such. But if you go down to training sessions or matches the majority of people will be in their uniforms. And it wouldn't go down all too well to be in the different code tbh. It's a respect thing in my book.

Some auld codgers in the club may not do the perception any good but I do think people's problem is being told what or what not to wear.

You can't really argue that a GAA zip is the same as a Golf zip on one hand (they are extremely similar a lot of the time) and not bother to wear the appropriate one imo.

To me there is not a lot of difference between the GAA/Rubgy/Golf zip ups. One of the golf clubs in my county have O'Neills supplying their branded club gear for the past few years so there is absolutely no difference there!

PARlance

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

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To me there is not a lot of difference between the GAA/Rubgy/Golf zip ups. One of the golf clubs in my county have O'Neills supplying their branded club gear for the past few years so there is absolutely no difference there!

Exactly (I mentioned that in my post), so why not just wear the golf one to golf and the X sports to X sporting events. Most people do that anyway.

sprucemoose

PARlance wrote: »

Exactly (I mentioned that in my post), so why not just wear the golf one to golf and the X sports to X sporting events. Most people do that anyway.

because not everyone is a member of both or can afford to be buying both?

Dublin Spur

not an issue on the woman's tour - strange inconsistency

Ottoman_1000

PARlance wrote: »

Exactly (I mentioned that in my post), so why not just wear the golf one to golf and the X sports to X sporting events. Most people do that anyway.

Because that way id have to buy a top for every different sports club I am involved in!!! The point I am trying to make is all these things are so universal now it should make no difference what sports zip up top or jumper you wear on a course and then people wouldn't have to splash out more coin for the privileges...

Russman

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I'm sure as with everything else, a happy middle ground can be found.

I'd guess that at most, though clearly not all, clubs, that's where we're at right now. A bit of common sense used. If someone can't tell the difference between a 1/4 zip top with a subtle logo or crest on it and one that looks like a formula one driver's shirt, they've bigger issues. The days of the snooty old wing commander in the corner with his sherry are long gone, if they ever existed in reality, but at the same time there needs to be some standards applied or it becomes a race to the bottom and you'll have Air Max and muscle tops in the bar.
Its golf, if you're wearing football gear, go play football.

To get back to the op, I'd imagine the reason the pros can't wear shorts is similar, there'll be one or two attention seekers who push the boat out. I think they'll eventually allow them though, hopefully.

I wonder would Payne Stewart's outfits be allowed nowadays ?

PARlance

sprucemoose wrote: »

because not everyone is a member of both or can afford to be buying both?

A golf top can cost as little as an average round of golf, I've yet to meet any golfer who can't get a bit of clothing together.

sprucemoose

PARlance wrote: »

A golf top can cost as little as an average round of golf

well, pay for a round so sure and just wear the very similar jumper/windbreaker/whatever, seeing as playing is what actually matters.......

blue note

What about John Daly's trousers? They were allowed and If you think a boat can ever be pushed out by trousers they'll be the ones to do it.

If you allow shorts all that will happen is that some golfers will wear shorts.

And what someone wears to golf should be up to them. If they want to wear their GAA top or rugby top it shouldn't be a problem.

Golf is fairly unique like this. My hurling training sessions will have jerseys from any sport at it. The thought that someone would not be allowed to train because they have a soccer jersey is unimaginable. It actually looks quite nice too.

If you got rid of dress codes in golf that wouldn't happen though. You'd just have the odd jersey on the course. And we'd all be fine, no-one's day would be ruined by it.

thewobbler

blue note wrote: »

What about John Daly's trousers? They were allowed and If you think a boat can ever be pushed out by trousers they'll be the ones to do it.

If you allow shorts all that will happen is that some golfers will wear shorts.

And what someone wears to golf should be up to them. If they want to wear their GAA top or rugby top it shouldn't be a problem.

Golf is fairly unique like this. My hurling training sessions will have jerseys from any sport at it. The thought that someone would not be allowed to train because they have a soccer jersey is unimaginable. It actually looks quite nice too.

If you got rid of dress codes in golf that wouldn't happen though. You'd just have the odd jersey on the course. And we'd all be fine, no-one's day would be ruined by it.

The thought that someone would compete in a hurling match while wearing golf gear doesn’t sit right though.

There’s nothing wrong with making a little effort when playing sport.

dan_ep82

blue note wrote: »

What about John Daly's trousers? They were allowed and If you think a boat can ever be pushed out by trousers they'll be the ones to do it.

If you allow shorts all that will happen is that some golfers will wear shorts.

And what someone wears to golf should be up to them. If they want to wear their GAA top or rugby top it shouldn't be a problem.

Golf is fairly unique like this. My hurling training sessions will have jerseys from any sport at it. The thought that someone would not be allowed to train because they have a soccer jersey is unimaginable. It actually looks quite nice too.

If you got rid of dress codes in golf that wouldn't happen though. You'd just have the odd jersey on the course. And we'd all be fine, no-one's day would be ruined by it.

Wearing a soccer jersey to a hurling match isn't really the same though is it. Both are jerseys

A better example would be someone wearing denim jeans to a football match or heaven forbid jean shorts and a denim jacket :pac:

Shorts should be allowed in golf and a bigger loosening of the golf attire in general, however there is a limit same as there is with tennis,snooker and other smart casual sports

breezy1985

slave1 wrote: »

Silly stuff, should be doing everything to grow the game, local club here emailed members recently about members being spotted not wearing proper golf attire, so the PGA guys can go collarless, rakes in hoodies at The Open but we get emails about it.

Growing the game flies in the face of everything golf clubs stand for. They are all about being exclusive and keeping people out

Mantis Toboggan

Shorts are a no brainer, only a matter of time before the pros can wear them.

Casual golf should be just that, I couldn't care less what someone's wearing.

I'd understand it a bit more about club competitions, they want some sort of standard, they wouldn't want some lad going up to collect a prize in a pair of jeans and a Leinster or Liverpool Jersey.

Golf has always tried to dictate what people wear, golf sees itself as an alitist sport, traditionally the clothes were expensive and it was a way to keep the paupers off the fairways.

blue note

thewobbler wrote: »

The thought that someone would compete in a hurling match while wearing golf gear doesn’t sit right though.

There’s nothing wrong with making a little effort when playing sport.

Sure how would you know what team they were on if they did? That said, a golf top made with that sporty material would be fine for training I'm pretty sure I've seen collared tops like that there.

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Wearing a soccer jersey to a hurling match isn't really the same though is it. Both are jerseys

A better example would be someone wearing denim jeans to a football match or heaven forbid jean shorts and a denim jacket :pac:

Shorts should be allowed in golf and a bigger loosening of the golf attire in general, however there is a limit same as there is with tennis,snooker and other smart casual sports

Agassi literally wore denim shorts while playing in the US open. What's wrong with wearing denim is that it's uncomfortable for playing in. Not that it's denim.



Whatever reason someone might have for not wanting to wear golf attire playing golf is their business. If they don't want to spend the money on it so be it. If they think it looks naff that's an acceptable opinion to have. I just don't see why clubs would want to legislate for it.

Of course, I'd defend a clubs right to have a dress code. I just don't agree with their choice to have one. Similarly, I don't love the thought of soccer jerseys on the course. But if someone wants to wear one he should be allowed.

PhilOssophy

Russman wrote: »

muscle tops in the bar.

Are you suggesting that my finest wife beater top is inappropriate?

breezy1985 wrote: »

Growing the game flies in the face of everything golf clubs stand for. They are all about being exclusive and keeping people out

I think that is changing for the most part, they are now in a battle for survival and getting people on fairways and paying subscriptions. Only a handful of clubs have real options in this regard I would say, just my opinion.

OEP

thewobbler wrote: »

The thought that someone would compete in a hurling match while wearing golf gear doesn’t sit right though.

There’s nothing wrong with making a little effort when playing sport.

For competition, even a regular club competition, I'd expect people to wear reasonable golf attire. Any self respecting GAA player isn't going to wear long soccer shorts playing a match, likewise, a soccer player isn't going to wear short GAA shorts.

For casual golf rounds, I couldn't care less what people wear.

breezy1985

OEP wrote: »

For competition, even a regular club competition, I'd expect people to wear reasonable golf attire. Any self respecting GAA player isn't going to wear long soccer shorts playing a match, likewise, a soccer player isn't going to wear short GAA shorts.

For casual golf rounds, I couldn't care less what people wear.

Ya but current golf attire isn't reasonable. There is no proper sport in the world where full suit pants is reasonable. Its an absolute joke born out of snobbery and has nothing to do with the actual practicality of playing a sport