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Major faux pas for FM104

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    #62
    Count Hairyfoot
    Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭Count Hairyfoot


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    They don't want them treated differently. But nobody in their right mind thinks that mocking a disability, if that's what happened, is 'having the craic'.

    It's 2021, whether people like it or not. You can't just presume, when children are engaging with a radio programme, that a child with a disability would never want to participate. We're not shunting them off to residential schools or keeping them hidden, these days. They're as part of our society as you or I.

    No professional broadcaster can just make a presumption that a child, or any person, doesn't have a disability. In fact, there are probably posters on this forum with a disability. They deserve to be treated the same as anyone else, and pilloried if they come up with daft ideas on a thread... but never derided for an intrinsic quality, or an accident of birth, whatever you want to call it, which they cannot change.

    This is not very complicated.

    Again I have to say it. I don't now, never have or ever will listen to the show. I have a serious allergy to wacky radio personalities. But it would appear from what people said that the presenters did in fact treat this kid the same as anyone else. I don't like people taking the mick out of kids to try and make themselves look good, but if that's the shows format and you as a parent choose to engage with them. well then that's on you.


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    #63
    ForestFire
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    TheLonelyOne wrote: »
    What is wrong with you... It's a 4 year old child ffs. The excitement of them getting to hear themselves on the radio and getting to say hello to their friend's and family must be a great delight. Tell me... Why should any child be treated in that way, disability or not? Clearly you have no compassion.

    Not heard as audio either, just like everyone else it seems.

    But every year, Ryan Tubridy has a bit a "craic/fun" and even some adult humour (goes over kids heads) with lots of young kids on the toy show.

    Is that what this radio seqment is normally like?

    Did the child's Mother give any indication to the radio staff about the child.

    Did the presenters genuinely think they had a coonection issue with the child? And it was this they were joking about....?


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    #64
    doc22
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    As someone with ASD, I would expect to find the funnier aspects of my disorder laughed at. I have seen this happening in the past too, for myself and other sufferers. It can be funny. I often say the wrong thing, when I'm not picking up on cues that others would. And from the outside it's funny. I get it. People with mental disorders should not be shunned away from society. My golden rule for humor is that either it's ok to laugh at everything, or nothing is ok to laugh at.




    Reminds me of this


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    #65
    ELM327
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    that's both hilarious and (for me) uncomfortable to watch!


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    #66
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Obnoxious as I find this type of breakfast radio show, I'm kind of finding it hard to believe that the two DJs started laying into a four year-old, special needs or no - I imagine it's down to some sort of misunderstanding.

    I don't see the fact that the station pulled the audio as an admission of guilt, but rather covering their as*es, just in case.

    The mother should complain to the BAI if she has issue with it.


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    #67
    daheff
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Well, not worth speculating, no. But a statement has been made, and it's not sufficient for the station just to delete/ omit to broadcast the material.

    Absolutely they should be deleting this audio. Otherwise this will be downloaded and shared for "the craic" & "bantz" by other eejits and the child will be ridiculed for years.

    why else do you think that the lad filmed slipping on ice a few years ago was never publicly identified?

    Presenters were wrong from the sounds of it, but the station looks to be taking ownership and trying to make amends.


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    #68
    Leilak
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    hopefully they are both sacked over this disgraceful behaviour


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    #69
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Leilak wrote: »
    hopefully they are both sacked over this disgraceful behaviour

    Arra' jaysus...


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    #70
    85603
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    They probably took it to be a kid just struggling to get going talking, making his first steps, struggling to get the words out. Which is cute and something you could have a giggle at.

    Havent yet heard it, judgement reserved.
    But Id err towards the above. Until proof otherwise.


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    #71
    lawrencesummers
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    Leilak wrote: »
    hopefully they are both sacked over this disgraceful behaviour



    Why stop with just them getting sacked.

    The entire radio station should be shut down.


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    #72
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Why stop with just them getting sacked.

    The entire radio station should be shut down.
    Yeah let's #cancel the lot!


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    #73
    Normal One
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    So apparently nobody in Twitter land or on here has heard what was said, we don’t know the nature of the disability or additional needs, but we’re supposed to be outraged all the same. Forgive me for not reaching for my pitchfork.


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    #74
    padd b1975
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    doc22 wrote: »
    Reminds me of this

    I'd hire him.


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    #75
    statto25
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    El Tarangu wrote: »
    The mother should complain to the BAI if she has issue with it.


    Nah its much easier to have a whinge on Twitter


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    #76
    blackvalley
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Why stop with just them getting sacked.

    The entire radio station should be shut down.

    I agree. The building should be levelled to the ground and a monument erected to commemorate this outrageous insult to the child, their family, the community at large and humour in particular.


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    #77
    [Deleted User]
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    Leilak wrote: »
    hopefully they are both sacked over this disgraceful behaviour

    Did you hear it, then?


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    #78
    ford fiesta
    Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    usually these radio shows stories are publicity stunts


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    #79
    [Deleted User]
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    ford fiesta wrote: »
    usually these radio shows stories are publicity stunts

    And as for the Twitter stories…..:pac:


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    #80
    TheLonelyOne
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    ford fiesta wrote: »
    usually these radio shows stories are publicity stunts

    Would seem this would isn't as a weak apology has been issued.


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    #81
    [Deleted User]
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    0ph0rce0 infracted and thread-banned for making a sexual comment about the mother of the child. This isn't a private conversation, everyone can see it; and the family at the centre of this story are not public figures. Please have respect. Thanks.


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    #82
    Hurrache
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    Seems like there largest group of people upset and pearl clutching over this are the ones by butt hurt because people think the FM104 morons are, well, morons. Equally moronic as those who use 'woke', the first sign you're not going to find a coherent argument in the post, when trying to find fault with the mother.


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    #83
    Normal One
    Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    According to an article in the Journal, the kid’s Mam said
    She explained: “I have been asking them to give me the podcast of the programme but what they said was something like ‘it sounds like someone has been up all night or out all night’, something along those lines.

    She also isn’t accepting their apology.

    So she’s not entirely sure what they said, they’ve apologised several times publicly but that’s still not enough. What was apparently said was obviously in jest, by the sounds of her reaction I was expecting a lot worse. I wonder what else she wants :rolleyes:


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    #84
    [Deleted User]
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    I seriously doubt a 4 year old is going to pick up on what two kn*bs said on a radio show or be in any way upset about it.

    Meanwhile, the kid is probably sitting in the living room wondering why mammy doesn't have any time to play with him for the last two days.


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    #85
    [Deleted User]
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    The shouldn’t have deleted it all if it was nothing.


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    #86
    ford fiesta
    Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    Normal One wrote: »
    . I wonder what else she wants :rolleyes:

    an appearance on the late late show and then the toy show


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    #87
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I seriously doubt a 4 year old is going to pick up on what two kn*bs said on a radio show or be in any way upset about it.

    I think this is missing the point altogether. Imagine growing up and learning that you were mocked on national radio because of some disability you have, and grown adults were laughing at you.

    That would feel a bit shit.

    Not sure about you, but I'd probably feel happier if I knew my mum kicked up a big stink about it, at the time.

    Let the woman do her job.


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    #88
    Homer
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    Well we only really have the womans word for it. Nobody here has heard the piece so can’t say the child was mocked or not. Carry on with the torches and pitchforks though :pac:


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    #89
    [Deleted User]
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I think this is missing the point altogether. Imagine growing up and learning that you were mocked on national radio because of some disability you have, and grown adults were laughing at you.

    That would feel a bit shit.

    Not sure about you, but I'd probably feel happier if I knew my mum kicked up a big stink about it, at the time.

    Let the woman do her job.

    Well you seem to have reached your verdict.

    The radio station denied mocking the child.
    As homer says above, we have the womans word and nothing else- and i"m highly dubious of the way she's approached this.

    I'm with nudain, the child is oblivious to all of this and furthermore, what you're really saying is that the DJ's in FM104 deliberately mocked a disabled 4 year old child- sorry but you're way off the mark but continue to believe every half-arsed story on twitter if it gives you comfort.


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    #90
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm with nudain, the child is oblivious to all of this and furthermore, what you're really saying is that the DJ's in FM104 deliberately mocked a disabled 4 year old child
    The child is oblivious to this, for now. Don't for a moment assume he'll never be told about it from neighbours, acquaintances, or acquaintances' children.

    I don't believe the hosts deliberately mocked a disabled child. The whole point is that, in the current era, it can't be assumed that someone wouldn't have a disability which affects their speech. It's not 1950 anymore.

    If you were in work and someone entered a zoom meeting with an obvious speech issue, you probably wouldn't joke about it. Because you're evidently not an idiot. You have a bit of cop-on, which seems to have been lacking here.
    Well you seem to have reached your verdict.
    Pretty much, yeah.

    Nobody is outraged, neither is this the crime of the century; I wouldn't like the lads to lose their jobs over it. It's a very foolish mistake.


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    #91
    [Deleted User]
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

    I don't believe the hosts deliberately mocked a disabled child.

    But you believe that they mocked the child nevertheless. Sorry but i have a healthy slice of scepticism built into my radar, especially when it comes to twitter posts by "activists" so i'm going to reserve judgement until i listen to the recording myself- that's if it ever gets released.


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