A small victory against GoSafe vans.

Pique

https://roscommonherald.ie/2021/05/31/speeding-cases-struck-out-as-judge-rules-no-consent-for-go-safe-van-at-tulsk-location/

A total of 21 summonses for speeding were struck out by Judge James Faughnan at Strokestown District Court when the judge ruled that a Go Safe van parked at the Macra Hall in Tulsk had no authorisation to be there.

The speeding summonses related to dates between May 15th and August 22nd last year at Carrownageelaun, Tulsk.

The Judge struck out the cases following a letter circulated to the court from the chairman of the local Macra Hall Committee in Tulsk, stating that the committee had not been approached for consent to have the Go Safe van located in front of the hall.

colm_mcm

Yaay for speeders.

pale rider

Pique wrote: »

https://roscommonherald.ie/2021/05/31/speeding-cases-struck-out-as-judge-rules-no-consent-for-go-safe-van-at-tulsk-location/

I’m a regular on that road and heading East that van is actually very hidden from view, too sneaky, delighted to see common sense prevail.

Alias G

A victory for those who wish to speed unhindered and not have to worry about the poor sod who eventually gets mangled. Don't forget to enjoy the extra few seconds you have saved on your journey time.

grogi

pale rider wrote: »

I’m a regular on that road and heading East that van is actually very hidden from view, too sneaky, delighted to see common sense prevail.

Common sense is not to speed.

colm_mcm

pale rider wrote: »

I’m a regular on that road and heading East that van is actually very hidden from view, too sneaky, delighted to see common sense prevail.

You’re either speeding or you aren’t though.

Dempo1

Go safe my A***, go catch more likely. A complete Joke, I've yet to come across one without being flashed by other motorists (thanks) well in advance.

vandriver

'...I've yet to come across one without being flashed by other motorists (thanks) well in advance...'

and then you......?

LIGHTNING

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus the amount of holier than thou people in here posting. Speed vans sitting on an empty motorway catching folks, revenue generation at its finest. Never see the vans outside of school areas. Its at poxy spots where the speed limits changes suddenly

Don’t speed anywhere. Just because you shouldn’t on a motorway doesn’t mean you automatically do outside schools. It’s always a weak argument and a strange one when boards doesn’t endorse illegal acts elsewhere on the site.

handlemaster

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus the amount of holier than thou people in here posting. Speed vans sitting on an empty motorway catching folks, revenue generation at its finest. Never see the vans outside of school areas. Its at poxy spots where the speed limits changes suddenly

The law is the law. If you think the speed should by higher. How high do you want it ?

Dempo1

vandriver wrote: »

'...I've yet to come across one without being flashed by other motorists (thanks) well in advance...'

and then you......?

Wave at the F*******

Alias G

Alias G wrote: »

Don't forget to enjoy the extra few seconds you have saved on your journey time.

Cheers

Allinall

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus the amount of holier than thou people in here posting. Speed vans sitting on an empty motorway catching folks, revenue generation at its finest. Never see the vans outside of school areas. Its at poxy spots where the speed limits changes suddenly

How could it be an empty motorway if their catching folks?

Or is it empty, except for the speeding cars?

pale rider

grogi wrote: »

Common sense is not to speed.

If you know that location then you will know how easy it is to sneak up to 55 kms and get nailed.

I have never had penalty points, I’m adverse to giving my hard earned to the State but these go safe vans are supposed to be high visibility and at this location eastbound they hide it.

Irishjg

Prevention is far better than a cure. Catching someone speeding hasn’t prevented them speeding. But then again preventing speeding doesn’t make any money so why would the state be interested in that.

theoneeyedman

Dempo1 wrote: »

Go safe my A***, go catch more likely. A complete Joke, I've yet to come across one without being flashed by other motorists (thanks) well in advance.

That shouldn't be a problem really, the stated idea behind the 'Go Safe' vans is to be high visibility and thus to slow traffic, so if by flashing incoming traffic you cause them to slow down, then it's job done, and they shouldn't complain.

The idea is to slow traffic in supposedly dangerous areas, not hide behind walls like these chaps in Tulsk, who typically catch people leaving a dangerous junction rather than approaching it, so is actually not helping road safety in any way at all!

grogi

pale rider wrote: »

If you know that location then you will know how easy it is to sneak up to 55 kms and get nailed.

I have never had penalty points, I’m adverse to giving my hard earned to the State but these go safe vans are supposed to be high visibility and at this location eastbound they hide it.

I personally don't agree they should be visible. We don't have enough of them for a van in every dangerous place. So the only way is to deter motorists from speeding by default, not only in dangerous places. You can do it by hiding and heartlessly issuing fines.

That's what I'd love to see here:

The result is not immediate, but long term.

Stihl waters

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus the amount of holier than thou people in here posting. Speed vans sitting on an empty motorway catching folks, revenue generation at its finest. Never see the vans outside of school areas. Its at poxy spots where the speed limits changes suddenly

I thought the go safe vans were actually a revenue loser, I'm sure I read somewhere that they cost more to run than what they generated

Calahonda52

We need speed cameras on all roads, permanently, will half the 260 bn national debt in 5 years, reducing speeding and save mula on fuel imports, not to mind the HSE savings from reduced road kill/injury/maiming/etc.
Should be coupled with water charges.

malinheader

I flash oncoming traffic when I see one, and I thank all the people who flash me.
Totally another stealth tax imo.

Dempo1

Couldn't resist

grogi

Irishjg wrote: »

Prevention is far better than a cure. Catching someone speeding hasn’t prevented them speeding. But then again preventing speeding doesn’t make any money so why would the state be interested in that.

A certain thread of being caught prevents speeding.

Allinall

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Yeah thats exactly what I meant. Zero people, ghost cars thats it alright :rolleyes:

Perhaps you should type what you actually mean.

Saying “an empty motorway” is meaningless.

Did you mean a motorway with very little traffic on it?
If so, is it ok to break the speed limit in that situation?

Or are you just bitter that people get caught?

It would be very informative to get clarity on your position.

My attitude is that if you break the speed limit and get caught, by whatever method, then you are an idiot, or just don’t care about money, or possible safety of others.

Irishjg

malinheader wrote: »

I flash oncoming traffic when I see one, and I thank all the people who flash me.
Totally another stealth tax imo.

Not only that but you have prevented them from speeding which is the so called intention of van being in that dangerous location in the first place. Everyone slows down so no one breaking the law or unnecessarily speeding.
Everyone’s a winner. Successful operation.

kirving

Stihl waters wrote: »

I thought the go safe vans were actually a revenue loser, I'm sure I read somewhere that they cost more to run than what they generated

That's due with a terrible contract, and proves little about their effectiveness.

It's like getting ripped off for a service, and thinking you got a quality product.

LIGHTNING

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus the amount of holier than thou people in here posting. Speed vans sitting on an empty motorway catching folks, revenue generation at its finest. Never see the vans outside of school areas. Its at poxy spots where the speed limits changes suddenly

You’ll always get the smuggest high horse riders when this topic arises - the way these lads carry on you can be certain they wear arm bands in the bath and insist on wearing a johnny when being felated by their wife once a year for their birthday

No nuance allowed just some moral grandstanding - if you’re doing 130 on a brand new stretch of motorway no matter how well surfaced you may as well be doing it going past the school in the morning, it’s just a sin.

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

Did you mean a motorway with very little traffic on it?
If so, is it ok to break the speed limit in that situation?

Yes.

I often drive about Ireland early doors and would have motorways quite literally to myself. Travel the country at 4am and 5am and other than a handful of artics doddling about you'll rarely see anyone.

The M50 is another joke. Talking about variable limits, but only looking at slower ones. No mention of making it 120 at night :rolleyes:

Nothing the govt. do has anything to do with safety. It's entirely a cash-grab.

Deaths from speeding could justifiably be ignored nowadays. I do believe that the figures for deaths from speeding are deliberately skewered to make it seem like a bigger issue than it is (well, he was probably doing 82 in an 80, so technically speeding did contribute..).


The Gardai/RSA don't want to put the time or effort into tackling actual issues (phone use, drink driving, etc) as its easier to stick a number on a speed gun and ticket anyone that goes over that number.

If you put down your phone, and actually stare continuously out the windscreen, you'll easily travel at 20-30% higher than most speed limits without any issue whatsoever.

colm_mcm

Batrachotox wrote: »

You’ll always get the smuggest high horse riders when this topic arises - the way these lads carry on you can be certain they wear arm bands in the bath and insist on wearing a johnny when being felated by their wife once a year for their birthday

No nuance allowed just some moral grandstanding - if you’re doing 130 on a brand new stretch of motorway no matter how well surfaced you may as well be doing it going past the school in the morning, it’s just a sin.

This is the stretch of road in question

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus the amount of holier than thou people in here posting. Speed vans sitting on an empty motorway catching folks, revenue generation at its finest. Never see the vans outside of school areas. Its at poxy spots where the speed limits changes suddenly

Probably all drive 1.6 diesel econoboxes and hate driving.

Irishjg

A dangerous section of road that lives have been lost or identified as a potential hazard should if possible be re-engineered to make it safer. If that’s not possible or practical erect an easily readable flashing sign warning motorists. Certainly place a clearly designated spot before the dangerous area for a van or permanent camera and if a motorist is dumb enough to ignore it they deserve the bloody fine. If they are dumb enough to ignore it three or four times they only have themselves to blame.

Hellrazer

LIGHTNING wrote: »

. Never see the vans outside of school areas.

Sorry Lightning - I have to correct you here - Theres a go safe van regularly outside one of the schools in Maynooth - 100% - Its there a fair few Sunday mornings between 6.00 am and 7.00 am!!!!!!

Ridiculous altogether.

cnocbui

grogi wrote: »

Common sense is not to speed.

Is it common sense to set inappropriately low speed limits? This is a country where offical geniuses put dashed white lines on bends and then make them solid or double on straights with good visibility.

When it comes to speed, I personally find we have a real problem in this country of drivers driving way too slow.

I spend a lot of time on motorways and it’s very common that you see people merging at 50 and causing chaos

Irishjg

Deleted User wrote: »

When it comes to speed, I personally find we have a real problem in this country of drivers driving way too slow.

I spend a lot of time on motorways and it’s very common that you see people merging at 50 and causing chaos

Great point, another mad one is when some motorists see a van or is flashed they decide to slow down to 30 or 40 kph even in an 80 zone which is very unwise.

malinheader

Deleted User wrote: »

When it comes to speed, I personally find we have a real problem in this country of drivers driving way too slow.

I spend a lot of time on motorways and it’s very common that you see people merging at 50 and causing chaos

The same ones who will hold out tight to the white line on a wide road when crawling along. No road etiquette or manners. Drives me totally nuts.

grogi

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When it comes to speed, I personally find we have a real problem in this country of drivers driving way too slow.

I spend a lot of time on motorways and it’s very common that you see people merging at 50 and causing chaos

That's another issue. There are so many oblivious drivers, often without lights etc. And for exactly this reason there should be no speeding by those that are much more capable drivers.

cnocbui

Deleted User wrote: »

When it comes to speed, I personally find we have a real problem in this country of drivers driving way too slow.

I spend a lot of time on motorways and it’s very common that you see people merging at 50 and causing chaos

We also have the self righteous >bleeps< who will tootle along at below the limit, then when they come to a passing/climbing double lane section, they will sit in the outside lane after increasing their speed to the limit.

Sods even have the gall to flash their lights furiously and honk their horn when you undertake them. They also like to thank other posts sanctimoniously supporting speed limits and speed vans.

Irishjg

grogi wrote: »

That's another issue. There are so many oblivious drivers, often without lights etc. And for exactly this reason there should be no speeding by those that are much more capable drivers.

No one is advocating speeding. Quite the opposite in fact.

Alias G

Batrachotox wrote: »

You’ll always get the smuggest high horse riders when this topic arises - the way these lads carry on you can be certain they wear arm bands in the bath and insist on wearing a johnny when being felated by their wife once a year for their birthday

No nuance allowed just some moral grandstanding - if you’re doing 130 on a brand new stretch of motorway no matter how well surfaced you may as well be doing it going past the school in the morning, it’s just a sin.

I'm sure it's got nothing to do with consideration of the fact that circa 150 people are killed on Irish roads annually and many more seriously injured and the thousands of individuals directly effected by these tragedies. Calling it smugness is a limp deflection.

You'll always get that selfish entitled crowd who confidently assume it will never happen to them and view road rules as subjective. Unfortunately, the statistics bear out that horrific accidents are a frequent occurance. To ignore this and continue to flout road rules is the definition of anti social.

Alias G

Alias G wrote: »

I'm sure it's got nothing to do with consideration of the fact that circa 150 people are killed on Irish roads annually and many more seriously injured and the thousands of individuals directly effected by these tragedies. Calling it smugness is a limp deflection.

You'll always get that selfish entitled crowd who confidently assume it will never happen to them and view road rules as subjective. Unfortunately, the statistics bear out that horrific accidents are a frequent occurance. To ignore this and continue to flout road rules is the definition of anti social.

They all get caught and have a good moan about it in the end though. It’s probably the only positive about speeding.

Victor

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus the amount of holier than thou people in here posting. Speed vans sitting on an empty motorway catching folks, revenue generation at its finest. Never see the vans outside of school areas. Its at poxy spots where the speed limits changes suddenly

This is the location: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7766448,-8.2464245,3a,90y,38.76h,84.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3qWZNuPJO1AlVlb1Ufx4AA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D3qWZNuPJO1AlVlb1Ufx4AA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D99.78256%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 it is NOT a motorway.

theoneeyedman wrote: »

The idea is to slow traffic in supposedly dangerous areas, not hide behind walls like these chaps in Tulsk

Not much of a wall. https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7766112,-8.2462599,3a,30y,302.72h,86.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKnbK7dg0eTdJoWhot6mctA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DKnbK7dg0eTdJoWhot6mctA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D229.03781%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Thankfully the only people that get managled are speeders. People that never speed are never injured.

Lots of other people get mangled. https://www.thejournal.ie/n1-crash-louth-5027163-Feb2020/

Irishjg wrote: »

But then again preventing speeding doesn’t make any money so why would the state be interested in that.

The GoSafe operation doesn't make money. The state makes its money by preventing collisions.

Deleted User wrote: »

The M50 is another joke. Talking about variable limits, but only looking at slower ones. No mention of making it 120 at night :rolleyes:

The M50 sections that currently have 100 km/h speed limits will likely never have 120 km/h speed limits, as the current limit is due to limited line of sight on some of the bends.

Deleted User wrote: »

When it comes to speed, I personally find we have a real problem in this country of drivers driving way too slow.

I spend a lot of time on motorways and it’s very common that you see people merging at 50 and causing chaos

Irishjg wrote: »

Great point, another mad one is when some motorists see a van or is flashed they decide to slow down to 30 or 40 kph even in an 80 zone which is very unwise.

malinheader wrote: »

The same ones who will hold out tight to the white line on a wide road when crawling along. No road etiquette or manners. Drives me totally nuts.

Maybe there should be some form of enforcement.

cnocbui

I don't think that one fatality per 300,000,000 kilometres of driving is 'frequent'.

RobAMerc

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes.

I often drive about Ireland early doors and would have motorways quite literally to myself. Travel the country at 4am and 5am and other than a handful of artics doddling about you'll rarely see anyone.

The M50 is another joke. Talking about variable limits, but only looking at slower ones. No mention of making it 120 at night :rolleyes:

Nothing the govt. do has anything to do with safety. It's entirely a cash-grab.

Deaths from speeding could justifiably be ignored nowadays. I do believe that the figures for deaths from speeding are deliberately skewered to make it seem like a bigger issue than it is (well, he was probably doing 82 in an 80, so technically speeding did contribute..).


The Gardai/RSA don't want to put the time or effort into tackling actual issues (phone use, drink driving, etc) as its easier to stick a number on a speed gun and ticket anyone that goes over that number.

If you put down your phone, and actually stare continuously out the windscreen, you'll easily travel at 20-30% higher than most speed limits without any issue whatsoever.

well said - and this blanket "slow down" horsesh*t is lazy and stupid too. The people who listen are invariably going to flipping slow anyway.

Bad driving is the cause of accidents and we have to realise this is NOT always just speeding. Yea speed kills, but there is no good speed to hit a wall at, so is therefore a factor in every accident.

anyway - stopped posting in motors years back. the do gooders on here couldnt give a fig about motoring - just come on to brow beat on others.

this thread reminds me why I left.

endacl

vandriver wrote: »

'...I've yet to come across one without being flashed by other motorists (thanks) well in advance...'

and then you......?

I give the odd flash to oncoming traffic if they're taking the pi55 speed-wise. I always get a wave of thanks or thumbs-up.

There is no van. Flashing the lights is like a remote control for their brake pedal.

batman75

Rightly or wrongly there is a perception that GoSafe vans are more about revenue than safety. I don't quite understand how this situation that the OP has flagged arose. Surely the CC and GoSafe agree locations and off you go. This outcome potentially opens up a legal can of worms.
I could see the logic of speed guns manually operated on winding roads where excess speed is a danger to self and others. Ultimately if you aren't speeding then you have nothing to worry about.

Alias G

cnocbui wrote: »

I don't think that one fatality per 300,000,000 kilometres of driving is 'frequent'.

150 deaths per 365 days is a high frequency. That's death's mind you. Not the total of those drastically injured which is naturally far higher.

RobAMerc

Alias G wrote: »

150 deaths per 365 days is a high frequency. That's death's mind you. Not the total of those drastically injured which is naturally far higher.

they are road traffic accidents - not all speed related deaths, many of them caused by bad driving, not speed.

Flinty997

RobAMerc wrote: »

...we have to realise this is NOT always just speeding. Yea speed kills, but there is no good speed to hit a wall at, so is therefore a factor in every accident. ...

It's actually inappropriate speed that is factor in accidents. Not simply speed. Which is why motorways are some of the safest roads and people on b roads end up upside down in a field.

Irishjg

RobAMerc wrote: »

they are road traffic accidents - not all speed related deaths, many of them caused by bad driving, not speed.

Heads stuck in mobile phones.

Alias G

RobAMerc wrote: »

they are road traffic accidents - not all speed related deaths, many of them caused by bad driving, not speed.

And speed limits along with speed cameras are one component of a multifaceted approach to reducing traffic accidents. Don't like the fines and points? Then don't speed.

domrush

Alias G wrote: »

150 deaths per 365 days is a high frequency. That's death's mind you. Not the total of those drastically injured which is naturally far higher.

It’s one of the lowest rates per capita in the EU actually. You don’t know what you’re talking about.