Thoughts on esb smart meter install

greasepalm

I like most people have got a letter about the new smart meter installations and am slightly worried about them and will probably object as well of having the garage full of stuff so they cant get at it:eek::eek::D:D.
So what thoughts about them.
Looking on adverts for a Geiger counter and a lead case:D:D

punisher5112

It's a scam.....
They will use it to milk some more easy money....

People to save money will need to get smart, don't use between 5 and 7pm as this will be peak ....

greasepalm

Just got a phone call from the company asking for a date for install and i said no to install + no access into garage to get to meter.

punisher5112

I've seen them cycling through the different times, T1, T2 and T3


With the increases done or more on the way it ain't looking good, 130% levy increase last month or so too.....

Solar PV may well be a good option especially now prices have dropped so much for install.

Sleeper12

greasepalm wrote:

Just got a phone call from the company asking for a date for install and i said no to install + no access into garage to get to meter.

I'm looking forward to getting mine. Some providers are already offering discounts for customers with smart meter. I can't remember exactly but I think free or half price weekend daytime or something like that

punisher5112

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to getting mine. Some providers are already offering discounts for customers with smart meter. I can't remember exactly but I think free or half price weekend daytime or something like that

But they'll make up for it during the week, peak time for example, you will end up paying a very big price if I'm right of course.

Sleeper12

punisher5112 wrote:

But they'll make up for it during the week, peak time for example, you will end up paying a very big price if I'm right of course.

Maybe eventually but right now there are good savings

Calahonda52

greasepalm wrote: »

Just got a phone call from the company asking for a date for install and i said no to install + no access into garage to get to meter.

Its their meter so if they want to get bolshy they can demand you move it at your expense of you don't give then access to read it at least twice a year.
In addition, if they deem the meter faulty, you will only get a smart meter, so best go off the grid now.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1927/act/27/enacted/en/print#sec1

jeffk

Im still waiting in Blanch, herself in Navan has it installed

Rang the helpline to talk to some girl in Cork working from home saying no not fitting them, usual excuse for ANYTHING now, I said well you need to tell your bosses as the girlfriends parents and surrounding houses got them yesterday

I would have thought Dublin, Cork etc be hit first, then move onto other counties

greasepalm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to getting mine. Some providers are already offering discounts for customers with smart meter. I can't remember exactly but I think free or half price weekend daytime or something like that

Still happy with my 50 yr old meter and magnet:D:D:D

lawred2

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's a scam.....
They will use it to milk some more easy money....

People to save money will need to get smart, don't use between 5 and 7pm as this will be peak ....

A scam?

How?

punisher5112

lawred2 wrote: »

A scam?

How?

They will increase prices as I said, at least at the moment it's one cost and obviously night rate if one has it

crossmolinalad

greasepalm wrote: »

Just got a phone call from the company asking for a date for install and i said no to install + no access into garage to get to meter.

Keep in mind when you say no to the meter that when everyone has one , they get 3 different tariffs , a low , a middle and a high one and you will get the most expensive one of them with your old meter

crossmolinalad

punisher5112 wrote: »

But they'll make up for it during the week, peak time for example, you will end up paying a very big price if I'm right of course.

Then i wont use much at peak time
Timers for the fridge freezer and the freezer in the shed so its switched off on peak time and wont use anything else in the peak hours
Cooking for years now on Gas and its way cheaper as electric cooking

coylemj

greasepalm wrote: »

Just got a phone call from the company asking for a date for install and i said no to install + no access into garage to get to meter.

You don't have a constitutional right to elecricity. It's a commercial arrangement whreby they supply you with energy for a charge and if their Ts & Cs say you must allow them to change the meter, you will have no choice.

Sooner or later, they will withdraw meter readers from your area and at that stage they will make you a final offer - take the smart meter or we'll withdraw supply.

Or, as someone has suggested above, they will simply bill you for all your consumption at peak rate. Then you'll suddenly stop believing the conspiracy theories.

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

Then you'll suddenly stop believing the conspiracy theories.

Its no theory ,
You will pay more if you move from a analogue meter to a smart meter.
Its to do with true power & apparent power .
You don't get billed for apparent power on the old meters but you will on a smart.

Maybe someone fill in more info, I cant remember ......:o

greasepalm

What are the chances the new system could be hacked ??

Who says Ireland does not get hacked and listening to this mornings news.

coylemj

BrownFinger wrote: »

Its no theory ,
You will pay more if you move from a analogue meter to a smart meter.
Its to do with true power & apparent power .
You don't get billed for apparent power on the old meters but you will on a smart.

Maybe someone fill in more info, I cant remember ......:o

You're fully signed up to a conspiracy theory but you can't recall the details. That just about sums up where we're at.

'It must be right, I read it on Facebook'.

CalamariFritti

‘Smart’ Meters will only be used to obscure your plan and usage and inevitably everyone will pay more.

Companies coming out with a new more finely tuned tariff plan is never going to be about you using smarter and paying less. Never.

It’s all about the profit. Always.

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

You're fully signed up to a conspiracy theory but you can't recall the details. That just about sums up where we're at.

'It must be right, I read it on Facebook'.

:rolleyes:

You wouldn't understand it if I explained it to you.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its a conspiracy .

TheChizler

BrownFinger wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You wouldn't understand it if I explained it to you.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its a conspiracy .

You are only billed for real power usage. Anything to back up your claim that you'll be charged for apparent power?

BrownFinger

BrownFinger wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You wouldn't understand it if I explained it to you.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its a conspiracy .

I think you may be a little bit lost the conspiracy forum is located over here → https://touch.boards.ie/forum/576

TheChizler

TheChizler wrote: »

You are only billed for real power usage. Anything to back up your claim that you'll be charged for apparent power?

I seen it on facebook

coylemj

BrownFinger wrote: »

You wouldn't understand it if I explained it to you.

You're now going to explain it to me, even though you can't remember....

BrownFinger wrote: »

Maybe someone fill in more info, I cant remember

BrownFinger wrote: »

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its a conspiracy.

That may be true when it comes to General Relativity, it does not apply to rubbish that you read on Facebook.

If you don't understand it, stop acting as an agent for disinformation and quit propogating it.

Myself and Jim corr were discussing it last night actually.

coylemj

CalamariFritti wrote: »

‘Smart’ Meters will only be used to obscure your plan and usage and inevitably everyone will pay more.

I'm on a smart plan, I can download my usage data for up to the end of the previous day. It gives you a CSV file showing your usage (in kWh) for every half hour. I just got my first bill since I signed up to a smart plan. It shows my usage within each charge period.

What level of detail am I missing?

Nobody is under any illusion that we can all save money with smart meters. The point of them is to reward people who shift consumption away from peak periods so as to flatten the demand curve. Which will reduce the overall cost of generation.

coylemj

BrownFinger wrote: »

Myself and Jim corr were discussing it last night actually.

You're in his league right enough.

You've been had by big electric

BrownFinger

BrownFinger wrote: »

I seen it on facebook

Oh well my apologies then, it must be true it's not like people on Facebook would lie or anything. Facebook is the true bastion of truthful information especially when it comes to important topics.

I will hereby bow out of this discussion having been blown away by your superior intelligence and logical reasoning skills.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh well my apologies then it must be true it's not like people on Facebook with lie or anything. Facebook is the true bastion of truthful information especially when it comes to important topics.

I will hereby bow out of this discussion having been blown away by your superior intelligence and logical reasoning skills.

please don't go you're great craic.

hurikane

Got mine installed this morning. Some absolute numpty in a WhatsApp group that I’m in, reckons it transmits Covid-19

The J Stands for Jay

punisher5112 wrote: »

But they'll make up for it during the week, peak time for example, you will end up paying a very big price if I'm right of course.

A Tesla powerwall could pay for itself pretty quickly on that tarrif.

Fighting Tao

Can’t wait to get one. I put in an early request. We don’t have a night rate and so are paying a fortune. Also there is no incentive to use electricity at night at the moment for us.

Fighting Tao

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Can’t wait to get one. I put in an early request. We don’t have a night rate and so are paying a fortune. Also there is no incentive to use electricity at night at the moment for us.

you cant get night rate on the smart meter (at the moment).

The J Stands for Jay

coylemj wrote: »

I'm on a smart plan, I can download my usage data for up to the end of the previous day. It gives you a CSV file showing your usage (in kWh) for every half hour. I just got my first bill since I signed up to a smart plan. It shows my usage within each charge period.

What level of detail am I missing?

Nobody is under any illusion that we can all save money with smart meters. The point of them is to reward people who shift consumption away from peak periods so as to flatten the demand curve. Which will reduce the overall cost of generation.

Do you get any notification of tarrifs changing? A lot of the guff you hear about smart meters is adaptable/reactive/whatever they're called tarrifs. If they don't tell you when they're putting up the cost, there'll be no reduction in use, just am increase in costs.

Fighting Tao

BrownFinger wrote: »

you cant get night rate on the smart meter (at the moment).

But the option will be there in future no doubt. At the moment we have no chance of a night rate.

I hope when they do introduce a night rate electricity you won't have to pay a higher standing charge like you do at the moment.

coylemj

BrownFinger wrote: »

you cant get night rate on the smart meter (at the moment).

If you sign up for a smart plan, you pay the lowest tariff for units consumed between 11 p.m. and 8 a.m.

https://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/home/our-tariffs

You're really doing a great job of highlighting your total ignorance of what smart meters are about.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

But they'll make up for it during the week, peak time for example, you will end up paying a very big price if I'm right of course.

the price will be the price regardless is you are smart metered or not.

TheChizler

BrownFinger wrote: »

I seen it on facebook

Oh right you're messing!

Junglejoe

I haven't read up on the latest tariffs bit I'm definitely not convinced on the idea of incentivising everyone to use electricity at night, it brings a new set of hazards

Previously you need a fixed load at night to be considering it

Fighting Tao

Junglejoe wrote: »

I haven't read up on the latest tariffs bit I'm definitely not convinced on the idea of incentivising everyone to use electricity at night, it brings a new set of hazards

Previously you need a fixed load at night to be considering it

Aren’t most people already incentivised to use electricity at night already with meters that do day and night?

Also, electricity generation continues at night, so it makes sense to try to reduce use at certain times to potentially avoid blackouts, and use what is generated at night.

Junglejoe

Forgot about EVs when I was posting there so pretty much everyone will eventually have a defined off-peak load

I'm sure that could be done separate similar to NSH without encouraging use of appliances overnight

I mean, I grew up learning to isolate all appliances at bedtime
Now we are probably being encouraged to do the opposite
Fire risk is not what it was but still

coylemj

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Aren’t most people already incentivised to use electricity at night already with meters that do day and night?

Before smart meters, most people had a single analog meter which couldn't tell when the units were consumed.

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Also, electricity generation continues at night, so it makes sense to try to reduce use at certain times to potentially avoid blackouts, and use what is generated at night.

+1 a lot of electricity is generated by wind power and since the wind blows 24x7, a lot of this energy would otherwise go to waste because Turlough Hill is currently the only facility where power can be stored for later distribution.

So it makes sense to shift consumption to offpeak times of the day. And to incentivise domestic consumers to reduce their usage during the peak 5-7 p.m. slot. This will be achieved by variable tariffs. Which is the whole point of smart meters.

Cerco

BrownFinger wrote: »

Its no theory ,
You will pay more if you move from a analogue meter to a smart meter.
Its to do with true power & apparent power .
You don't get billed for apparent power on the old meters but you will on a smart.

Maybe someone fill in more info, I cant remember ......:o

What domestic appliances would require significant power factor correction?

Junglejoe

On a related note is TLI recruiting heavily ?

Their newspaper ad says they're "looking for electricians to fill 45 vans" whatever that means but there's nothing online

Don't know if that means they need 45 electricians or is that just the number of vans

tDw6u1bj

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Can’t wait to get one. I put in an early request. We don’t have a night rate and so are paying a fortune. Also there is no incentive to use electricity at night at the moment for us.

Unless someone has something like storage heaters/electric car charging etc. that is a big consumer then night rates will cost people more money.

Night power is much cheaper but day rates are slightly higher. We use very little power at night and even doing stuff like running your dishwasher etc. at night won't be nearly enough to make the difference.

tDw6u1bj

punisher5112 wrote: »

They will increase prices as I said

I've got bad news for you, the price is going to increase anyway.

The only difference is you're going to blame it on the meters and not on inflation.

punisher5112

tDw6u1bj wrote: »

I've got bad news for you, the price is going to increase anyway.

The only difference is you're going to blame it on the meters and not on inflation.

No I'm not.

Pataman

Junglejoe wrote: »

On a related note is TLI recruiting heavily ?

Their newspaper ad says they're "looking for electricians to fill 45 vans" whatever that means but there's nothing online

Don't know if that means they need 45 electricians or is that just the number of vans

"Guinness Book of Records"

tDw6u1bj

Junglejoe wrote: »

On a related note is TLI recruiting heavily ?

Their newspaper ad says they're "looking for electricians to fill 45 vans"

One electrician who fits into Vans shoes, size 45