Public Toilet plans beside English Market

sporina

oh oh traders are not happy..

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40284917.html

Mardyke

Id put a massive public toilet between Nash 19 and Clancy's.

rorrissey

Yeah I see where they're coming from. Yes, public toilets are needed, but that's not a great location.

Wildly Boaring

Always the same with amenities in this country.

We moan when we don't have them.
We moan when they pick the spot for them.

Jcb21

Cant really blame them. Especially when the toilets across the road are a boarded up eyesore.

Widdensushi

Taisce might object due to emissions

rorrissey

Jcb21 wrote: »

Cant really blame them. Especially when the toilets across the road are a boarded up eyesore.

Yep. Not to mention, there is a public toilet already inside the English Market. (I haven't used it since December, I'm assuming it's still open to the public.)

notAMember

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Always the same with amenities in this country.

We moan when we don't have them.
We moan when they pick the spot for them.

++ We don't listen to people with experience and expertise.

That building is the largest tourist attraction in the city.
It's a food-centric facility.
It's OLD. There are sewers in there currently with long-standing problems, needing a lot of back-flushing and constant maintenance.
It's beautiful, an asset to our city and should be maintained / improved.


Putting a set of stinky toilets beside veg and meat traders seems short-sighted when there is an abandoned boarded up set of toilets directly across the street. Redevelop those, and instead augment the english market with a tenancy at the front that is visually attractive.

sporina

notAMember wrote: »

++ We don't listen to people with experience and expertise.

That building is the largest tourist attraction in the city.
It's a food-centric facility.
It's OLD. There are sewers in there currently with long-standing problems, needing a lot of back-flushing and constant maintenance.
It's beautiful, an asset to our city and should be maintained / improved.


Putting a set of stinky toilets beside veg and meat traders seems short-sighted when there is an abandoned boarded up set of toilets directly across the street. Redevelop those, and instead augment the english market with a tenancy at the front that is visually attractive.

yeah a mate of mine works in TEM and was telling me that they have awful trouble as it is with the sewage system.. and apparently TEM have been trying to hav that building incorporated into THE for an age but to now avail..

Surely there has to be lots of other more suitable places where they could have public loos.. so many vacant buildings around the city

whisky_galore

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Always the same with amenities in this country.

We moan when we don't have them.
We moan when they pick the spot for them.

What wrong with reusing and renovating the existing toilet block that's not very far away to be fair?
But no, some city hall pen pusher has to choose a clearly ridiculous unsuitable location.
A child could see theres something wrong with it.

namloc1980

notAMember wrote: »

Putting a set of stinky toilets beside veg and meat traders seems short-sighted when there is an abandoned boarded up set of toilets directly across the street. Redevelop those, and instead augment the english market with a tenancy at the front that is visually attractive.

They aren't going to be next to the fruit and veg and there's already a toilet in the English Market - this one won't be.

notAMember

namloc1980 wrote: »

They aren't going to be next to the fruit and veg and there's already a toilet in the English Market - this one won't be.

The location being discussed is between Superfruit (fruit and veg) and O'Mahony's (meat).

the beer revolu

I'm not sure that this is the best location for these necessary toilets but when I hear that "the market traders" are up in arms, my gut tells me that the opposite to what these traders want is, in fact the best thing.

These are the same traders who blocked the extension of the market with the capitol development.
The same traders campaigned strongly against the pana traffic restrictions.

Also, in my experience, these are not the views of all the market traders, just the ones who shout the loudest and most often!

namloc1980

notAMember wrote: »

The location being discussed is between Superfruit (fruit and veg) and O'Mahony's (meat).

Hilsers between the two entrances.

namloc1980

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm not sure that this is the best location for these necessary toilets but when I hear that "the market traders" are up in arms, my gut tells me that the opposite to what these traders want is, in fact the best thing.

These are the same traders who blocked the extension of the market with the capitol development.
The same traders campaigned strongly against the pana traffic restrictions.

Also, in my experience, these are not the views of all the market traders, just the ones who shout the loudest and most often!

They also demanded that Oliver Plunket Street be turned into a car infested rat run last year for click and collect. The English Market is great, but some of the traders are a joke.

the beer revolu

namloc1980 wrote: »

They also demanded that Oliver Plunket Street be turned into a car infested rat run last year for click and collect. The English Market is great, but some of the traders are a joke.

Yes, I forgot about that one.

I spoke to some traders who were very much against this but it wasn't their voices that were heard.

notAMember

namloc1980 wrote: »

Hilsers between the two entrances.

Yes exactly there.
Directly behind that is superfruit and to the right is the butcher.

the beer revolu

notAMember wrote: »

Yes exactly there.
Directly behind that is superfruit and to the right is the butcher.

I assume the proposed toilets will have walls.

Outkast_IRE

the beer revolu wrote: »

I assume the proposed toilets will have walls.

I was hoping more for an open air urinal like at a outdoor concert.

the beer revolu

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

I was hoping more for an open air urinal like at a outdoor concert.

Or just a hole dug in the ground with a fence around it!
Remember them?

notAMember

the beer revolu wrote: »

I assume the proposed toilets will have walls.

Yeah, walls are a solution to everything. Totally makes stinking excrement repositories stuffed with junkies both invisible and smell proof.
Well , unless they need to include doors too. Then the plan falls apart.

Outkast_IRE

notAMember wrote: »

What's your point?

The point is proximity to food service businesses are not a concern in this scenario . One would assume the door will be out to the streetside and like most major toilets have a lobby between the toilets and the street.

titan18

Ya, I'd with the traders here. There are toilets across the street that should be refurbished instead and something more appealing put here considering the English Market is probably the biggest attraction in the immediate city centre.

Pauliedragon

It looks like this is a response to the people on the piss over the last few months around the corner who are pissing everywhere. Apparantly these toilets if they go ahead will be closed at 8pm anyway so that will not stop people pissing in all the laneways between the South mall and Oliver Plunkett st anyway. You can smell the urine from Grafton st about 20 metres away. I've had my couple of cans there over the last few weeks in the evening but it has been getting out of control and I'm gone by 8pm.

notAMember

I can only imagine the front of some people’s homes if they think installing a toilet door on the front facade of a historic tourist attraction is a genius idea.

Talk about cowboy builder land!

yenom

Whether it's right or wrong, public toilets attract the drug addicts and drinkers.

TheChizler

notAMember wrote: »

I can only imagine the front of some people’s homes if they think installing a toilet door on the front facade of a historic tourist attraction is a genius idea.

Talk about cowboy builder land!

What is it now, stickers over the windows?

elperello

Apparently some of the traders had an alternative plan for that closed unit.

They wanted some sort of tourist display/reception area and were in discussions with another section of the council and other tourism bodies.

Outkast_IRE

elperello wrote: »

Apparently some of the traders had an alternative plan for that closed unit.

They wanted some sort of tourist display/reception area and were in discussions with another section of the council and other tourism bodies.

Yeah that's a good idea as currently people visit the market and its just to wander around . Something to add some cohesion to the experience might be good.

whisky_galore

yenom wrote: »

Whether it's right or wrong, public toilets attract the drug addicts and drinkers.

Not having public toilets doesn't make addicts and drinkers disappear magically.

Kerry25x

yenom wrote: »

Whether it's right or wrong, public toilets attract the drug addicts and drinkers.

These will be supervised toilets so would hope they'll be well maintained and safe - similar to toilets you'd get in a restaurant (am I being too optimistic here?). I actually wouldn't mind having to pay a small fee to a toilet attendant like you do in some European countries if it meant nice clean facilities.